Misfits Bible, Number 51 Thursday, January 26th 1995 Today's Topics: stuff Names, Nooz, Noses "Little Whip" Glenn's name Answers Danzig is a city... Danzig's name Misfits Bible #49 and #50 Is there any... evilive vinyl Not much new to add, just comments on #50 Interviews, Punk, G.D Vs Misfits etc... The homepage...a question 50th Bible Some stuff... I forgot to tell you... Re: MISFITS!!! Danzig Lettering ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 11:40:05 -0500 From: She Subject: stuff Chris says: > I just wanted to thank everyone for > being so cool, especially Mark, who's the reason I'm writing this you're quite welcome, i couldn't do it withouth all of you... Wandering asks: > An intreging thought occured to me, upon finishing reading the most recent > Misfits bible...what exactly is Glenn Danzig's real name? > > Danzig is, was, a thin body of water connecting the Artic Ocean and some > sea or another, in Russia somewhere, i believe...the name has been changed, > and it might actually be another type of geographic feature....but i know > for certain that it did exist to the east of Finland, Norway, etc... > > Thus, while it is possible that Glenn Danzig IS his real name, the more i > think about it, the more unlikely it seems...so, does anybody out there > know what exactly his real name is, or is my suspecion entirely erronious? Glenn's real last name is Anzalone. According to Jerry Only's brother, Glenn probably chose Danzig as his name because of some evil associated with it. pbright > > Also, does anybody have the Verotik address in Roseville, CA? I can't for the > life of me find it, and we're having NO LUCK getting comics stores in B'ton to Here you go: Verotik 4010 Foothills Blvd Suite 317-377 Roseville, CA 95747 (913) 774-6310 evb asks: > Bobby's ENGAGED? This is what Bobby told me when I talked to him on the phone in September. Of course, now that I think about it, he may have said girlfriend or fiance, I don't remember which. mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:24:27 -0400 (EST) From: stephen alan sisson Subject: Names, Nooz, Noses Some 'a you unenlightened PRE-verts oughtta be checkin' out that world-wide web page before askin' questions such as the True Name of the Beast which'll prompt like a zillion redundant responses! As for all these Verotik books I keep hearing about I don't believe they exist! I've never seen any of em. But Indiana comic book shops suck. At least these days they seem to. Startin' up a line of comix is probably something I'd do if I had a crapload of money, but that distribution thing must be difficult. Hey, everybody knows real punk is that stuff you burn to keep the bugs away... Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 13:00:25 -0800 (PST) From: godzilla Subject: "Little Whip" If you guys like Tim Vigil's t-shirt design for "Little Whip", you might want to checkout the shirt he did for NORTHSTAR comics. ------------------------------ From: DarkLo730@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 15:55:09 -0500 Subject: Glenn's name The place that was called Danzig is now called Gdansk. It used to part of Germany(Prussia to be more specific). After WW II it became part of poland. mike ------------------------------ From: CTernes@aol.com Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 18:45:13 -0500 Subject: Answers My Creepy Compilation says Goletto Center for 2/83. As for the summer tour. The second song at 7/3 was Snakes of Christ (I have a crappy boot). BUT, if you notice, Brand New God does have a slower portion. When I saw it live, I thought it was two songs also, however now that I listen to it, it is clearly the one, Brand New God. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 19:05:58 -0500 (EST) From: Andrew Jerome Dempz Subject: Danzig is a city... Danzig was a city in Prussia, one of the German states. After World War II it was given to Poland and is now called Gdansk. As for Danzig not changing much since Samhain... the first two Danzig albums sounded like AC/DC with Morrison singing (but they did rock, if you ignored their connection to the Misfits). I remember hearing the first Danzig album when it first came out and I was like "what the hell? This is weak." Its grown on me since, but I think they went downhill after that. They stopped rockin and Glenn sarted doing that weird warbling yell. I had trouble sitting through 4p the first time I heard it. However, I think it's ok now. The other way I think Danzig went wrong was when they started taking the "evil" thing seriously. Give me a break. I was rolling on the floor the first time I heard "Invocation". Well, enough of that...If anyone knows where I could get a copy of "Beware and the Rest", let me know. Actually the Misfits played in 83 across the street from where I live. Dempz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 95 19:33:46 EST From: Haskin Douglas CDT Subject: Danzig's name To anybody who ever wondered what Danzig meant- Danzig, also known as Gdansk, is a port city in Poland. It lies at the mouth of the Vistula River on the Baltic Sea. Historically, Danzig was a primary objective of the Nazis when they invaded Poland in 1939. The Nazis sort of beat the shit out of the city and its inhabitants. I heard somewhere that it was one of the bloodiest battles in WWII. I think that's about it, but I could've missed something. Anybody else know anything about this? Also, thanks to L. Dodsworth and Angela for working on some tapes for me. -Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 16:44:11 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Flemming Subject: Misfits Bible #49 and #50 Well lucky me it's seems as though I set some flame bait that really wasn't intended. I think that Crimson may have misunderstood me. I guess to save my mail spool I better clarify. >From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:43 -050 >Subject: Last time >Robert, Who gives a flying fuck if it's not *real punk*. What exactly >makes a band *real punk*. What, do you have to be dead like Sid and >Stiv, or maybe really weird like Glenn, or just plain stupid like Jello. >Why must everything have a certain moniker attached to it? Are we as a >society that anal that everything must be filed away under the correct titles? Great question what did make those bands punk? Somehow the name got created and it stuck. They were doing something different, something unique. I (just me though) tend to think of punk as the post disco pre new wave era. I personally dig the late seventies early eighties "punk" much more than what they call "punk" today. If you had to classify (as this anal society does do) would you plop Mozart and Yanni in the same category? They both write/wrote instrumental pieces, that are frequently performed by orchestras etc. But Yanni is new age and Mozart is classical. I guess that's the way I kinda think of. A hundred years from now I guess Yanni will be classical, but what will Mozart be...way classical? You got it right though, if you like it buy it. That was never my point. I was a bit bummed at the way music IS being classified. I was never saying that all these new bands suck. >As far as turning punk into this "capitalistic thing". Don't even think for >one minute that if back in 1977 a record company said to Johnny Rotten "Jump >and we'll give you 6 million beans" that he wouldn't have said, "excuse me, >how high would you like me to jump Sir". I find it strange to find things like "punk" and "grunge" to be fashionable. Nirvana comes out of Seattle, they get classified as grunge, they get popular, the music industry converges on Seattle, what comes next, models strutting down the runway in flannel and docs. What's next Grungyoes breakfast cereal? When was the last time you saw an eighth grader riding around on a skateboard wearing a Dead Kennedys, or Ramones beanie? The media is the one to blame. I didn't make the rules, but I'm forced to live with what is shoved down my throat by Manipulation TV and Corporate radio. The SF Weekly here had an article that said "Pop goes Punk" is that right? I tend to think that "Punk has gone Pop". On to the next guy: >Date: Fri, 20 Jan 1995 03:57:55 -0500 (EST) >From: Gabriel Palczewski >Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #49 >I think Offspring and Green Day are punk. West coast punk. They seem >to attract more to the skater scene out there. Thats where Green Day >started and I have like 2 skater friends who were into the Offspring and >Green Day and Penney Wise and all those bands before they hit it big. So >they seem to get a rather large crowd there and they are what punk has >become in the 90's I guesse. Yeah you may have a point. I don't know how big they are on the west coast so I can't say. But living in Berkeley (where Green Day came from) and a block away from Billy Joe (no joke), I guess I'm kinda in Green Day central and pretty damn sick of them. When they were nobodies they used to play free shows on campus, should I hold my breath for one now? How many people know that Offspring has 3 albums and an EP, and Green Day has 4 I do believe? Not many, why because no one is going to play the music that made these bands what they are, they'd rather play "When I come around" every hour on the hours as a type of Big Ben with a power chord bell tower. > Nirvana tried to hold on to that weird factor of punk I guesse. >Its rare that there is anymore of what was left in the 80's. Now Rancid >is starting to get buzz apeal and around here Bad Religion is getting >pretty good radio play. Try G.G. Allen if your looking for weird. I bet you only hear stuff off of the new Bad Religion album though. I would look for NOFX to be the next big alternawonder band. =) I have a friend who too was into Offspring years ago. He played on one of their old tapes for a guy once and he hated it, but when that damn "Keep em separated" song came out he suddenly decided he loved them. I think people in general need to listen to more music and stop buying their Cds at Tower and head down the block to Zed's punk-o-rama. You want grunge; check out 16 or Crom, not Pearl Jam and Temple of the Dog Back to Crimson: >btw: as far as offspring not being punk, I put my head through my living >room wall listening to "bad habit" some sort of drunken mosh thing going >on over here.--CG If it was "real" punk, you wouldn't have needed to be drunk!! (just a joke man) --Robert (no sig It's already long enough) p.s. Unless it's really important, if you feel the need to respond to this take it to my mail box. There is no need to clutter up The Bible with it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jan 1995 20:33:45 +0500 From: Tom Bunt Subject: Is there any... confirmation on the dates/arenas for the next Danzig tour? I hope I can catch them this time. BTW I just saw Pantera this past Friday in North Carolina and Type O Negative is opening up for them. It looks like Type O is getting around. What band is Danzig taking on there next tour, or is it not decided yet? How can I get my hands on some of the Verotik comics? I've looked in several comic book stores and basically they haven't heard of them. I sent away to the Danzig fan club and asked for some info on that stuff, but I haven't recieved anything yet. Is there an address to write to? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I think I read a past bible that stated something about a Samhain Box set...when is that coming out, or am I seeing things? Is it live tracks or a "greatest hits"(he he he) Is Glenn working on any side projects like his previous efforts: Black Aria, Less Than Zero, and Thirteen(Johnny Cash)? Thanks for any response... Tom ------------------------------ Subject: evilive vinyl Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 22:23:16 -0500 (EST) From: Paul D Hahn hi, first to samhainxxx, sp?, the evilive on vinyl doesn't contain anything inside, at least not the one i got. This is a lable in CA called doctor srange records which has a few 'fits bootlegs, on tape, their address i wrote a few bibles back, but here it is again Dr. Strange records PO Box 7000-117 Alta Loma CA 91701. To all those bitching about whats punk and whats not punk. If memory serves me right, it wasn't the musci that made a punk, it was the attitude of the people who listened to it. greeday, offspring, grunge, ect.. the bands may be "punk", but the fan base has changed. i agree with the guy who said that it wasn't punk, but pure rock n roll. paul "truth is the sword of us all"the Lords ------------------------------ From: "Bouras, Elizabeth" Subject: Not much new to add, just comments on #50 Date: Wed, 25 Jan 95 11:34:00 est Didn't really have any news to report so wanted to just make a few comments & answer some questions asked in #50: Ssisson - hey, punk rock opera sounds cool! Actually I'm surprized nobody's tried it & passed it off as performance art. RE:Wagner - it's funny but that used to bother my parents even more than punk and all when I was a kid because they just found it too incredibly weird that their kid was up there sitting in her room listening to OPERA! I think they thought I'd snapped... The Ring Cycle made them long for rock music. CTernes - glad you enjoyed the interviews! Maybe I'll serialize some longer ones, or print some old Sammie interviews.. CrmsonGhost - YOU LIVE!! Good to see you back! Good comments - those folks that go on about "this isn't REAL punk" annoy the shit out of me.... Wandering (The Unbeliever) - Glenn's real last name is Anzalone. Danzig was a city in Poland - it's still there but now it's called Gdansk (birthplace of Lech Walesa) I have no idea why he chose Danzig as a name aside from back then very few self respecting punk rockers used their real names - who knows, maybe it is his mother's maiden name or something. (There are a bunch of Danzigs in the phone book in North Jersey - out of curiosity I checked) Oh well, it's easier for the crowds to shout along for... (Can't quite picture them chanting AN-ZA-LONE...) SamhainXXX - The Evilive album never came with any sort of insert or photos or anything so you don't have to open it if you don't want to (though I've heard that sealed records have more of a chance to warp) Rocky-Saenz - I have absolutely no idea what you mean by "he was just afraid of admitting that they (The Misfits) were his most successful project". Huh? What sort of definition of success is this? When they were together the Misfits were pretty obscure; most of the world had never heard of them until Metallica recorded a few tunes and kept showing up in their Misfits shirts; even today a lot of clueless folks still claim those Crimson Ghost shirts (which of course they don't call that 'cause they don't know what it is), are Metallica shirts... Even today the sales of the Misfits LPs are completely dwarfed by sales of Danzig's albums (even if you count just the sales before the 1993 version of the Mother video). GOAT (Angela) - I can't find MR&R so can you please send me that guy's address (and the contents of his classified ad if possible?)?? I had no idea I was in demand! Gabriel Palczewski - If the comic mag you mean was WIZARD a few months ago then that wasn't a real casting list - it was just the magazine's SUGGESTIONS of who THEY thought would work. Sheesh, I guess nobody actually reads these things, they just look at the pictures. bloodboy - liked your comments - I agree completely! She - I think it's "Goleta Center" - that's how I've seen it spelled most often. I'll have to check my vids to see what the 2nd song on the '94 summer tour with Metallica was. pbright - OK, believe it or not I'm so anal that I take notes from the Danzig Hotline. Eerie mentioned it on the message of March 23rd, 1994 (yes, I call every morning to see if has changed). What he said was "Check out the article in BLACK LIGHT by Elizabeth Bright on Glenn's career and twisted vision". That was it (afraid he got her name wrong too...) He didn't give an address on there or anything - I saw an ad for it later & MR&R & it clicked right away since I'd been looking for it since EV's mention. Glenn never bolted from LA (he still lives in Hollywood...I'm not giving out the address but it's a suitably spooky looking place) - he's staying put & getting the place fixed from the damage inflicted in last year's earthquake that wrecked it up pretty bad. I think he's thought about moving because the 1st editor of Verotik (Val Jones) was based in Roseville, CA (up near Sacramento) & he was thinking of moving to Lake Tahoe which isn't too far from there. But now she's been replaced with a new staff that are based out of LA (Hart Fisher from Boneyard Press and Steven Wardlaw from Tundra) so I'm pretty sure Verotik's headquarters will be moving there shortly. (But for now) Verotik's addy is: 4010 Foothills Blvd, Suite 317-377, Roseville, CA 95747 phone (916) 774-6310 or 1-800-215-4532 Sounds like you've got cool taste in comics - I love Sandman myself & hugely enjoy Milk and Cheese and Tank Girl. Savage Henry is way cool - I remember YEARS ago Matt Howarth used to do all these odd xeroxed 1 page zines and comics & leave 'em lying around the punk clubs in Philly (where I'm from) - I still have some of 'em I picked up then! Better scram for now, see ya! - EVB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 17:52:27 +0300 (EET) From: NIKOLOPOULOS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Interviews, Punk, G.D Vs Misfits etc... > CrmsnGhost@aol.com wrote : > ... What, do you have to be dead like Sid and Stiv, or maybe > really weird like Glenn, or just plain stupid like Jello. That's a pretty shit thing to say about someone who is responsible for one of the best punk bands ever (D.Ks) and who, no matter what, always stuck to his beliefs, whatever the cost (LITERALLY!). Actually, I can't believe that someone just said that Jello is stupid! I think you need to learn what *respect* means. > As a matter of fact Where exactly did you get that fact?? > the Sex Pistols were created by the record company they were nothing more > than drug addict bums, sid didn't even know how to play. - The Sex Pistols were created by Malcolm Mc Laren (nothing to do with the record company). - John Lydon was not even drinking, let alone doing drugs! - Sid started doing drugs long after he joined the S.P. - The guitar player was totally into music and didnt do drugs either (he was drinking though) - I don't even like the Sex Pistols! These *are* some facts! > From: Rocky_Saenz@baylor.edu > > as far as glen talking about the misfits i don't think it is that he does not > want to or that he is tired of it i think he was just afraid of admitting that > they were his most successful project (until the "mother" video 12-93). > > do you beg to differ??????????????????????????? Not at all! Actually I always wondered why G. Danzig always says that people should've taken notice when the Misfits were still around... because people *did* take notice when the Misfits were still around. I mean that for the type of music, the Misfits were very succesful. Before they broke up they used to play for 1000-2000 people. Most "similar" bands (attitude wise) used to play in front of much less people. Did he want them to play in arenas or something?? To Phil Scarr : I'm totally with you! > "Bouras, Elizabeth" wrote : > > j.w.e.c.vijgen - Thanks for posting the interview by Andreas Veneris! I'd > found it a while back during a VERONICA search under "danzig" - any idea > where it first came from? Yea, probably from a Greek mag. called "Heavy Metal / Metal Hammer" (basically the Greek version of Metal Hammer magazine) because I know he was the editor of that magazine. --- I also want to thank all the people that typed interviews (It's really appreciated!). Finally, I would like to say to people going on about punk, that punk never really went away, its not a trend and it should be kept underground (like this list, its pretty underground, I just wish it could be more punk :( ). Nevermind, Yannis ________/________/________/________/________/________/________/________/______ --------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/------ ### ### ### ### ### ### Yannis Nikolopoulos Nikolopoulos@tnclus.ntc.nokia.com ### ### ### ### Gre:UK:Fin Yannis.Nikolopoulos@ntc.nokia.com ### ### ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 15:17:35 -0500 (EST) From: 00gdwessel@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: The homepage...a question Am I to udnerstand correctly from the Biographies section of the homepage that the Misfits are back together without Glenn? Or what? Some of the passages read as if the band never broke up?! Could someone PLEASE clarify this... --- Geoff We@sel Tune in, turn on, drop dead ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 18:55:00 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: 50th Bible About the summer tour the second song they did was I am almost positive was "Twist of Cain". I am VERY VERY sure of it. I know they opend with "Its Coming Down" which started some huge mosh almost in front of me also ironicly when they started playing it the rain came.. heh kinda cool. As for the Misfits in general I think they are an excellent band. The unfortunate part is they lacked funds at least good ones to make good sound recordings and stuff. Their songs will remain classic but unfortunatly so much of it is hard to find. Also I am on that Danzig list for American Recordings and I havn't paid too much attention but AR said BMG is re-releasing some Misfits stuff yet they failed to mention exactly what was being rereleased does anyone know anything on this? ------------------------------ From: Neil McAllister Subject: Some stuff... Date: Wed, 25 Jan 1995 21:26:53 -0800 (PST) Hey, I've heard mention here a couple of times about the German "Wolfsblood/Earth A.D." LP with the bonus tracks from "Die Die My Darling". (Incidentally, it only has 2 of the 3 tracks from the EP, unlike the CD which has all 3.) Anyways, I have a copy of it. I guess I wouldn't be adverse to making a couple of bucks off it if anyone wants to buy it off me. Make me a realistic offer. BTW, just to grind your noses in it, I found the thing at a record swap and paid $6 for it, just a few years ago. I don't think the guy who had it realized what it was. It's the real deal though -- NOT a bootleg. It has a full color cover (same picture as the US release, but with the covers reversed and colored) and a black label on the record, printed in silver; also, the vinyl itself is printed (not scratched by hand) reading "ST AG 0024" which is the catalog number for the disc from the company, Aggresive Rock Produktionen in Germany. *** On another note, everyone has high hopes for Verotik Comics, but has anything actually hit the stands since VEROTIKA #1? -- Neil McAllister (pcm2@netcom.com) | Santa Cruz, California, USA "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy." -- Ben Kenobi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 10:27:26 +0300 (EET) From: NIKOLOPOULOS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi Subject: I forgot to tell you... The following article is from alt.punk and I thought that people would like to read it... --------------- start of fwd message------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.punk Subject: Re: MISFITS!!! Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:34:43 GMT Organization: Faculty of Engineering Science, U.W.O. If anyone is interested in buying some rare Misfits vinyl i have a selection for sale... bullet 7" (yellow vinyl) horror business 7" beware 7" (green vinyl) halloween 7" walk among us 7" (2 parts...1 red vinyl one blue) static age demos 7" cough/cool 7" who killed marylin 7" (glenn danzig solo project) samhain live 7" (i forget the title, 5 songs) earth a.d. 12" die die my darling 12" legacy of brutality 12" evilive 12" misfits 12" november coming fire - samhain 12" initium - samhain 12" heros of danzig CD (misfit bootleg live) e-mail me if you're interested... Ian ********************************************************************** * * sometimes i feel that im hopeless, * * ian pryde * helpless, i'm always drowning in their* * ipryde@charon.engga.uwo.ca * programs, their programs of * * u.w.o. london, ontario * suppression. * * * -kyle bishop * ********************************************************************** --------------------------- end of fwd message ------------------------ Yannis ________/________/________/________/________/________/________/________/______ --------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/------ ### ### ### ### ### ### Yannis Nikolopoulos Nikolopoulos@tnclus.ntc.nokia.com ### ### ### ### Gre:UK:Fin Yannis.Nikolopoulos@ntc.nokia.com ### ### ------------------------------ From: WL261073@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 10:52:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Danzig Lettering Most of you probably have known this for a long time, but I recently found out where the Samhain/Danzig style lettering comes from. I was in a video store and there was this old movie called "The Giant Gila Monster" It was in the exact lettering as Danzig/Samhain logos It looked really old too. Sean M. ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is available at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. MMMM MMMM MMMMM MMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTTTTTT MMMMM MMMMM III SSSS FFFFF III TTTTTT SSSSS MMMMMM MMMMMM IIII SSSSSSS FFF IIII TTTT SSS SS MMMMMMMMMMMMMM IIII SSSS SS FFFFFFF III TTT SSSS MMM MMMMMM MMM III SSSSS FFFFFF III TTT SSSSSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSSS FFF IIII TTT S SSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSS SSS FFF IIII TTT SSS SSSS M M MM MM II SSSSSS FFF III TT SSSSSSS M F II top Misfits Bible, Number 52 Tuesday, January 31st 1995 Today's Topics: HELL YES!! the last one re: comments by Yannis Samhain Verotik..Danzig Danzig's next tour Re: Danzig married?!! dr. strange bootlegs just a little anectdote german misfits stuff 4 sale Lettering, Classical something interesting comments on Misfits Bible, #49 & #50 missing in action More Samhain Lettering Misfits Bible 51 Sisson, comix, etc. To: Crimson Ghost Kryst the Konqueror ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 13:25:22 -0500 (EST) From: Brent Eyestone Subject: HELL YES!! Whoa! I just got done reading #50 and I am VERY happy! Once again, thanks EVB! The news concerning Verotik picking up Faust and then making it all in COLOR (!?!?!) - I can't wait. Although, I had enough trouble looking at some of the images in B&W. It could be worse - it could be SCRATCH AND SNIFF!!! (eeeeewwwwwwww!!) And hey - for those of you who think this has nothing to do with Glenn, it would be in your best interest to keep your mouths shut because Faust/Danzig/Vigil have alot to do with one another, now even more so than ever! And YES!! - I did notice the Danzig inclusion in ACT 9. I remember thinking that it just fit in so well with the story line and John Jaspers, etc. Wow! Say, I know that they were talking about making a FAUST film a few years back (I read it in a interview last year), do you know of any progress here?? Any info will be appreciated. Once again EVB, thanks for making my day! -Brent E. ------------------------------ From: She Subject: the last one Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 13:34:38 EST Words of the weasel: > > Am I to udnerstand correctly from the Biographies section of the homepage that > the Misfits are back together without Glenn? Or what? Some of the passages > read as if the band never broke up?! > > Could someone PLEASE clarify this... Ahh yes, something like that. Keep your eyes open in the near future.... Gabriel Palczewski says: > Also I am on that Danzig list for American Recordings and I > havn't paid too much attention but AR said BMG is re-releasing some > Misfits stuff yet they failed to mention exactly what was > being rereleased does anyone know anything on this? BMG is not releasing any Misfits stuff. In Europe they will be releasing the first few Danzig albums. Misfits stuff can only be put out by Caroline Records or any other label the Misfits sign to in the future. > Subject: Re: MISFITS!!! > Date: Tue, 24 Jan 1995 17:34:43 GMT > Organization: Faculty of Engineering Science, U.W.O. > > If anyone is interested in buying some rare Misfits vinyl i have a selection > for sale... > ********************************************************************** > * * sometimes i feel that im hopeless, * > * ian pryde * helpless, i'm always drowning in their* > * ipryde@charon.engga.uwo.ca * programs, their programs of * > * u.w.o. london, ontario * suppression. * > * * -kyle bishop * > ********************************************************************** Just in case some of you don't know, most of those things were bootlegs. > From: WL261073@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu > Subject: Danzig Lettering > > Most of you probably have known this for a long time, but I recently found > out where the Samhain/Danzig style lettering comes from. I was in a video > store and there was this old movie called "The Giant Gila Monster" It was in > the exact lettering as Danzig/Samhain logos It looked really old too. > Sean M. Now, that's really cool. Did anyone else know that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 13:44:59 -0500 From: bloodboy Subject: re: comments by Yannis Yannis said, "punk never really went away, it's not a trend and it should be kept underground." Excellent point. If people are really into punk they will find it. The music is out there; you just have to look around. Punk is definitely not dead. You can still find all types, from old school to new school and all the offshoots. bloodboy ------------------------------ From: WL261073@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 13:32:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Samhain Here's a question that's been bugging me for a while: How do you pronounce Samhain? I've always said it as "Sah-win" because that's how the dictionary has it and it's how Glenn says it in several songs. (Samhain, November's Fire, Soul on Fire, etc.) But anytime I talk to anyone about the band, they alwats pronounce it "Sam-hane" I'm almost positive that it's "Sah-win" Can anyone tell me? I think it would be odd for Glenn to say: "Gotta wait on the sam hane of my soul!!!" Thanks, Sean M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) From: RYAN_JAS@bentley.edu Subject: Verotik..Danzig Someone said that they are not sure that the Verotik series doesnt exist. It does, Death Dealer is supposedly coming out next week and Ive already got Verotika #1 which is really #0... Its really graphic(cool), and the other strory The Braille Encyclopedia is pretty cool also. And Lady Phantom or Phantom Lady I cant remember is supposed to be coming out soon. Any of you that saw that add in Verotika are surely eager to get that one. At the bottom it says by Glenn/Robo... As for the meaning of Danzig, I most of the responses are quite accurate. I think that Glenn may have chosen it for the one fact that at a time it was the only pure German 'state'. But thats only my opinion. MAybe he just knew it would be controversial. Maybe he got some weird inspiration from the Ed Wood movie 'Glenn or Glenda' Glenn or Glenn Danzig I dunno just screwing around. You gotta admit you vcant rule anything out with him. 'See-through spectres cruise the hallway' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 13:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Siegel Subject: Danzig's next tour Someone was curious about who Danzig would be touring with next. According to the Danzig hotline, they're trying to put another tour together with White Zombie. On the Slayer homepage, there's a pic of Glenn at Slayer's party. There's an audio file of him praising Slayer and he supposedly spent some time drinking some beers with Rob Zombie. ------------------------------ From: pbright@ibm.net Date: Thu, 26 Jan 95 19:46:47 Subject: Re: Danzig married?!! Have you heard anything about this? An Indianapolis radio station announced this afternoon that Glenn was a newlywed. This DJ is kind of goofy anyway, so I'm not sure if it's true. Nothing on the hotline about it or press releases from AR. What's up? //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // This is an example signature. // You can change the signature in the Letter 1 // settings page. See Settings on Letter Menu. ------------------------------ From: ST930419@pip.cc.brandeis.edu Date: Thu, 26 Jan 1995 20:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dr. strange bootlegs Someone said that they were going t osend to Dr. Strange records to get some Misfits bootlegs. DON'T! I got a copy of the Misfits last show from Dr. Strange it sucks. It is completely inaudible. I cannot not even tell what songs are beening played except for a couple exceptions. Just me two cents. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 01:03:36 -0500 (EST) From: GOAT Subject: just a little anectdote Hi all! I just finished reading Bible #50, and I thought the discussions about grunge and punk were really funny. I remember reading one post that wanted to know if flannels and docs would soon be marching down runways. Actually, they already have. The 'grunge' thing was big in Paris and other European countries before it was big here, and so they latched onto it real quick. (I have a couple of friends who lived in Europe so that's how I know this!) Anyway, from what I've heard it's out of style wicked bad over there now, so once the U.S. catches up to them it will be out here! Yeah! I don't know about all of you, but I used to get made fun of BIG TIME in junior high for looking like a freak or whatever. Then, by my junior and senior years, the junior high girls were idolizing me! Everyone who made fun of me and my friends suddenly looked just like us. Of course, that was in Indiana, and things catch on really slowly there. It used to piss me off really bad, but then I just thought it was funny. I can't wait until it goes out of style and people laugh at me again so I can tell them what hypocrites they are. Oh! One other thing, just to demonstrate the lengths that this whole fad goes, one of the fraternities at my school is having a "Grunge Party" tomorrow night. That is so hilarious to me. My roommate is dating one of the brothers there, and he told me the grunge and mosh pits wouldn't even start until late because they don't have enough music to have a whole night of grunging! Basically all they have is Pearl Jam and STP anyway. Another funny thing is that Green Day is playing at URI soon, and all these dumb people are so excited about going. Offspring is playing here in Worcester next month, too. The excitement about them isn't as great, but it's still pretty big. It will be interesting! Sorry about going off on a tangent like that, but those types of discussions always intrigue me. Anyway, the discussions in the last Bible about Glenn's name were very cool. Isn't the name of the city Dontzig (or something like that) in German? I looked it up in a really old encyclopedia a couple of years ago and I think that's what the map said. I really can't remember though. I have also heard that 'danzig' is a surreal type of art. I don't have anything to back that up with, it's just something I heard. It sounded good though, and would be logical considering Glenn's interest in art. Is it true that the next tour will only be of cities they didn't play on the previous tour? I hope they come around here again. Also, any word on opening bands yet? I think White Zombie would be a good choice. I heard they played a couple of shows together a couple years back. A show with both of them would rock! We all know how great Danzig is live, and Zombie is also very intense. I for one would go absolutely crazy if they played together. Just a thought. Well, not a whole lot more to say tonight. Just kinda felt like babbling for a while. Cya next issue! Angela- ------------------------------ From: Burkhard Jaerisch Subject: german misfits Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 1:25:29 MEZ hi, you americans seem to pretty upset about the german misfits pressings, well, i can assure you they're NOT that rare!!! this guy who made them pressed tons and TONS of 'em, and they were easily available in regular record stores until like 3 or 4 years ago. but even now, they're not too hard to get, so better save your hard-earned money for something real... i have no idea how many of these have been pressed, but i'm SURE there are more than 10-20000 of each. they were EVERYWHERE 10 years ago. cheers flex ------------------------------ From: Burkhard Jaerisch Subject: stuff 4 sale Date: Fri, 27 Jan 95 1:35:06 MEZ i have some misfits related stuff for trade or sale, namely the night of the living dead 7" (original) - i would trade that one for a colored pressing of bullet or the second pressing with the better dead on red sleeve, or maybe something else i don't have yet. also i issued a bonus 7" for my fanzine some years ago, and it has one otherwise unreleased live track by Mourning Noise (dawn of the dead), it's from the same live show as the split ep with parasites. (and yes, it was a legal compilation!) if anyone is interested, i still have like 4 or 5 copies left, and i'd sell them for 4$ plus postage. postage is kind of expensive from germany, so i could send them all to one of you in the u.s., and she/he could pass them on. lemme know. as far as this punk vs danzig discussion goes, i like punk & hardcore, i was into the misfits when they were still a punk band, and i also liked samhain, but danzig has nothing to do with that anymore (musically), so i'm not interested anymore, and i think a lot of people feel the same. on the other hand, people who were into heavy metal didn't like the misfits back then, but they like danzig now. it's just two different worlds, so why bother. cheers flex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 17:42:41 -0400 (EST) From: stephen alan sisson Subject: Lettering, Classical Sean M.- I knew the 'Fits logo came from Famous Monsters of Filmland, but I never knew where that Samhain/Danzig stuff came from before. Cool! I'll have to look for that Gila Monster thing! Re: Robert Flemming's analogy of 70's/contemporary punk to classical/new age- I am an anal retentive loser, but this is a bad analogy. "Classical" music actually does refer to a certain movement in music in the 18th century... I forget whether this was when the orchestra was expanded or if that was the Romantic period.. but for one thing the music is all at the same sound level -- like Baroque but unlike Romantic-- and can be punctuated with cadences rather than going on and on like Baroque... there are words for both of those things but I've forgotten them too. Unflagging rhythm, I think.. Well anyway i don't know what new age is exactly, but anything current which follows classical form I would call "neoclassical"... but I don't think enough time has passed to validate a term such as "neopunk." It is possible, however, that since radio and the mass-availability of recorded music have encouraged the development of so many different styles in this century, this convention no longer holds. If it's punk, it's punk! If it's crap, it's crap! Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:49:04 -0500 (EST) From: GOAT Subject: something interesting Hi again! I know I already wrote a bunch of bull shit in here last night, but I was at work tonight and found something a little interesting that I thought I would let you all know about. I was getting some info out of a MR&R and my manager and I were talking. He said he had seen something about Danzig in an article in one of the fanzines we carry, so he showed it to me. It was an interview with Brian Baker, formerly of Minor Threat. The interview was in "No Idea" #4, and here's the portion of interest: Q: Why did you leave Minor Threat? A: Lyle Preslar and I were under the impression that we were such wonderful musicians that, if we were to leave Minor Threat, within two weeks we would be _the_ punk supergroup of the century, whiling away the days with girls peeling us grapes. We were going to form a band with Glenn Danzig and the drummer from Youth Brigade, Mark Stern, and get the guy from Negative Approach on bass. We would be awesome, but basically we sucked. We were called SAMHAIN and we were terrible. Glenn knew we were bad and said, "Fuck this!" and formed his own SAMHAIN. We, at the same time, said, "Fuck this, we're not dying our hair black!" and went and tried to form our own new wave band. It was horrible.... The article went on but didn't have any other interesting stuff in it. Does anyone know if any of this is true, or was he just bullshitting? I had never heard any of this before. One more thing, I picked up another Misfits CD today. It's called "The Misfits-Beyond Evil: Demos and Outtakes." I listened to it a little while ago and it's really good. I walked into work tonight and my manager goes "Hey Ang, we got some new Misfits stuff." They always hold stuff for me when it comes in. Working in a record store does have its advantages! They have a good selection of Danzig stuff, but I can only afford one thing at a time. Well, once again, that's it for now. Hope someone can help clear up the info in that article. Cya all later! Angela ------------------------------ From: Rocky_Saenz@baylor.edu Date: Fri, 27 Jan 1995 21:22:16 +0000 Subject: comments on Misfits Bible, #49 & #50 hey CrmsnGhost, >From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:43 -050When you get down to it what is "Punk Rock" anyway? The way I see it Punk is just good rock 'n' roll, simple to play, full of energy, and having the inate ability to piss off ones elders when played at suitable volume. I don't know about you Crimson Ghost but to me punk means alot more than plain rock 'n' roll. the problem here is when punk turns into ordinary rock 'n' roll because it looses its creativity. punk in short means anarchy. it supports everything that is antisociety. punk means not being afraid to speak your mind or to be yourself. it is about individuality and not going with the flow. to me, this is exactly what rock 'n' roll is not. r'n'r has no creativity, honesty, or individuality. SO HOW CAN YOU SAY PUNK IS "just good rock 'n' roll?" >From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:43 -050 As far as turning punk into this "capitalistic thing" >From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com >Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 19:18:43 -050 Robert, Who gives a flying fuck if it's not *real punk*. What exactly makes a band *real punk*. What, do you have to be dead like Sid and Stiv, or maybe really weird like Glenn, or just plain stupid like Jello. c ghost there is no top 10 list to check if a band is real punk. but there is a definite line between punk and the shit nirvana and greenday are pushing. i think people no longer defined nirvana and greenday as punk because they let the the major label record companies corrupt them. it is fine for a band to make money even alot of money who cares; i rather see these bands get it than stupid fucks like madonna. but when the music of the band changes due to not caring because they have so much money nothing else matters it becomes plain coc-rock. look at rancid for example, epic records offered them $1.2 million to sign but what did they do? they sent epic the check back in the mail. why because they are happy the way they are and don't need all that bullshit. call it stupid, call it dumb, call it antisociety (don't need money for happiness), call it punk!!! hey bouras, liz "he was just afraid of admitting that they (The Misfits) were his most successful project". Huh? What sort of definition of success is this? When they were together the Misfits were pretty obscure; most of the world had never heard of them until Metallica recorded a few tunes and kept showing up in their Misfits shirts; even today a lot of clueless folks still claim those Crimson Ghost shirts (which of course they don't call that 'cause they don't know what it is), are Metallica shirts... Even today the sales of the Misfits LPs are completely dwarfed by sales of Danzig's albums (even if you count just the sales before the 1993 version of the Mother video). liz, what i meant by his most successful project is the notoriety the misfits have had in the last 17 years. when people here the name glenn d. they think of misfits or samhain. i am not basing my statement on record sales, who gives a fuck about record sales. tell me how many punks in 1984 had the money to buy every misfits album they liked. and just for clarity with name association i am not referring to the mtv crowd. if no one liked or knew who the misfits where since you claim they are so over shadowed by danzig they why do people always ask glenn about the band????????? i have said my peace... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 11:48:47 -0500 From: She Subject: missing in action hello everyone, i need some help I don't know if these people have unsubscribed or what, but their mail bounces. if anyone knows anything about these people please let me know: fstation0@aol.com hchou@aol.com wolfsblood@aol.com misfitsman@aol.com I'm removing them from the subscription list after this issue. mark ------------------------------ From: SamhainXXX@aol.com Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 12:32:35 -0500 Subject: More Samhain Lettering In the last bible some saild where the Samhain/Danzig lettering came from. I was in the video store the other day and noticed that on one of the OMEN movies has the same lettering as the Samhain logo from November-Coming-Fire. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Jan 1995 22:17:38 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: Misfits Bible 51 To: Andrew Jerome Dempz I like Danzig. I like all the 3 major bands he has been in and they are all good yet I am unsure if I like Misfits or Danzig more. I am more of a metal fan but I really like alot of Misfits tunes so I cannot be sure. I am not a biggie fan of Samhain. I just bought an actual album for myself instead of listning to a tape my friend recorded of a few songs. To: Robert Flemming Yeah alot of older albums go unoticed. I have all of Green Day's albums. The old ones are cool but they lack the quality of DOOKIE in sound which sorta sucks. Offspring was cool but I got sick of hearing "Self Esteem" so I sold my CD for 8 bux (not bad used). "Bouras, Elizabeth" It was not WIZARD he read it in. Also I did this before but I wanna do it again cuz more people are on the list.. what are your favorite Misfits/Danzig/Samhain songs? I don't have a list yet for Samhain but I do for the other bands... Misfits ------- 1. Last Caress 2. London Dungeon 3. Where Eagles Dare 4. Green Hell 5. Hollywood Babylon 6. Horror Business 7. Bullet 8. Astro Zombies 9. Teenagers From Mars 10. She Danzig ------ 1. Twist of Cain 2. Cantspeak 3. Little Whip 4. How The Gods Kill 5. Dirty Black Summer 6. Its Coming Down 7. Mother 8. Until You Call On The Dark 9. Snakes of Christ 10. Going Down To Die ------------------------------ From: pbright@ibm.net Date: Sat, 28 Jan 95 22:26:07 Subject: Sisson, comix, etc. Hey TeeVie -- I live right near Bloomington, and I've been driving the comix people nuts trying to get Verotik stuff. You're right -- they do suck. Crimsy -- you are a level headed guy. You give good balance on this thing. Very much appreciated. EVB -- Thanks for the hotline citation. I passed it along. How bad is your phone bill, what with calling the hotline? Personally I'd rather see Eerie Von someday calling a hotline number every morning to check up on YOUR current activities. -- PJ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 00:12:43 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: To: Crimson Ghost Welp I was reading over the numerous back issue Bibles and something CG said I wanted to reply to (this is in Bible #20 I belive) sorry that this is a late reply but I joined this list shortly after this issue. Basicly you said Glenn was the head asshole of the Misfits and none of his bands are basicly worth shit and this and that how Jerry and Doyle rule the universe and stuff.. welp here is my thoats. I think Misfits were an excellent band and all and that they are the best punk band I ever heard. I think Glenn was one of the intrigal parts of the band and if you recall he owned the label the band was on and he wrote the songs and most of the music (maybe all of it). The Misfits sound was because of Glenn's writing style and no one elses. I am not putting down any of the members of the band but lets face it he was the main force. If J&D hated it so much they should of left and not waited to form a band for so long. They could of had their own "Samhain" and possibly get the recognition that Glenn did. You belive Glenn to be some super asshole but you havn't met Glenn you only have the opinion of 2 people who hate his guts. Glenn probaly thinks no better of them and Bobby Steele isn't lovey towards any of them. I think Jerry and Glenn each tried to own the Misfits. Each tried to rule it and they fucked the band members and each other over to do it. I belive Jerry had Bobby dumped on purpose so that he could get Doyle into the band. I think Glenn tried to cheat his band out of their fair share for his success and Jerry had Doyle to help get control of the band and it was one fuck over after another till they broke up. Glenn used his brain and already knew that Misfits wouldn't last longer and formed Samhain with Errie Von and the crew and later Danzig which I belive is the band he has wanted for awhile and almost had it perfect until Chuck left but he is happy now with his new drummer. I am not putting down J&D at all or their new band KTC (I want that EP and have been looking for it) but I think its unfair to totally discredit Glenn for his work with the band or call Misfits a better band then Samhain or Danzig. I don't like Samhain all that much but they are pretty cool and I think Danzig is better then Misfits musicly at least due to John Christ and ex-drummer Chuck being able to to some awsome stuff for the bands sound. Misfits were unique and their lyrics and the music they supplied fit in perfectly but they were no where near as good players as Danzig has now surrounded himself with. I think they all had their faults and it should be forgotten because all of them had their skeletons in the closet and things they did that they would perfer to be kept secret. ------------------------------ From: SamhainXXX@aol.com Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:18:18 -0500 Subject: Kryst the Konqueror Does anyone know how I can get a cassete copy of their whole LP? Also, where could I find the EP CD? -Carey (samhainxxx@aol.com) ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is available at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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I wouldn't exactly use Rancid as an example to illustrate "punkness." Do you know how much shit they would get for signing to Epic? I mean Epitaph is as major as you can get in the "punk" world and I'm sure Rancid's doing just fine financially. But the fact is, all the shit on Epitaph sounds the same except for old Bad Religion. Besides, how "punk" is putting out a CD (instead of just a record) and then using newspaper block lettering to make it look MORE "punk?" Was that really necessary? I'm not saying Rancid is a sell-out or anything like that. I don't believe in labelling bands as sell-outs. I mean Green Day is probably having a blast getting rich off the people they hate and getting to make fun of them at the same time. But Rancid shouldn't have to prove their "punkness" by making it public knowledge that they sent back a check to a major label. Hell, if I was them I would have taken it. I'm sure they would have been able to retain what's left of their artistic license. Punk is a lot of things. But what it is definitely NOT about is compromise. If you want to make money in punk, that's fine. It's your decision. Bands who work hard and want to succeed have a right to. So they can openly get signed and make money. But bands should NOT have to prove how "punk" they are and show that they aren't sell-outs. Rancid wouldn't have to publicize shit like this unless they're worried people are starting to group them with Green Day and the like. Well, maybe they should wonder why people are doing it. Or maybe they should just say, "Fuck you, we're doing what we want and we don't care what you think." That would be a punk attitude. If you're a band like Rancid, it's real easy to get jerked around by fans and people in the punk scene. Everyone has an opinion of you. But if you're in the band, your opinion is the only one that counts. So what I have to say to Rancid is this: Are you really happy where you are or was this just a publicity stunt to prove your "punkness" when underneath you really want to hit it big? Because it sure the fuck looks like a stunt or else you would have kept it quiet. bloodboy ------------------------------ From: Chad Biafra Subject: Greetings.. Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 13:17:21 -0600 (CST) Hey all... Today was the first day I've ever seen the Misfits Bible, and I couldn't believe how much information about the Misfits I never knew... Like that whole Bobby Steele thing - I never understood why they called him an asshole, etc. on my boots until I read the bibles... It was cool to finally know the whole story behind the incident - from both sides... Anyway: I'm Chad Biafra (Biafra? Yep, that's my REAL name, no relation to Jello, however...), I've been collecting Misfits stuff since about 1988.. I actually had the chance to meet Glenn (and the rest of the band) when they toured for HTGK. They did a signing at a local (Chicago) records store called Rolling Stone. I was able to take pictures of the band and I also took a picture with me and Glenn... He signed my fold-out insert of the LOB CD and signed another group photo I had.. He seemed like a cool guy, although I heard that eariler he had tore up some guy's LP jacket of the Night of the Living Dead boot, and said, "I don't do boots" or something to that effect.. Well, I just wanted to say what's up to everyone and ask a couple of questions... I have the Irving Plaza NYC boot on cassette (I don't know if it was ever released on CD). I looked at the song list on the WWW site, and they match, except for one thing: On side two, after the last song (I think it's Queen Wasp?), there is about a 10 second pause, and then all of a sudden Last Caress comes on (a studio version).. It sounds incredible (total circa-1950's style sound to it). I was just wondering what the hell this was? Is this a rare version, and why is it all of a sudden on the end of the boot? Just curious.. I also have a Danzig video boot, and was just wondering on it's rareness/nonrareness... It has a cover of the first Danzig album photocopied onto it, and the tape quality isn't bad.. I forgot if the shooter used a tripod or not, but they do a couple of Misfits tunes (Horror Business and Teenagers, I think), and a few SamHain tunes..(haven't watched it in awhile).. It's about 45 mins long.. The really bizarre thing about is that after the concert footage, whoever taped it didn't use a blank tape, they used a tape they recorded televison programs on... The boot probably hails from Florida, since the local news is on the tape! There is also an episode from Lost in Space on it that is after the concert footage... I'm guessing it's probably not very rare, since it looked mass-produced, and the owner of the record store knew it was a boot.. But if it was mass produced, why would they leave the televison footage on? Maybe it was easier to copy tapes that way? Just wondering about this one. I have original shrink-wrapped 12"s of Evilive, Die Die My Darling, Earth A.D./Wolfsblood and LOB. Does anybody know if there's anything cool on the sleeves or if the vinyl is colored? I really don't want to open them up, but I suppose I could get them re-shrink-wrapped... One last question... Does anybody know if any other version of Children in Heat exists besides the one on the Live '79! The Perfect Crime 7"? Welp, later everyone.... - Chad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 16:08:55 -0500 (EST) From: "L. Dodsworth" Subject: New Misfit EP? Someone posted in the alt.punk newsgroup that Danzig was going to release an EP of Misfits songs, as played by Danzig. Does anyone know anything about this? It seems very uncharacteristic. Also if Jerry/Doyle/and CHUD reform the Misfits, what are they going to do for a singer? -LD ldodswor@access.digex.net "Trust and you will be Trusted says the Liar to the Fool" - Type O Negative ------------------------------ From: She Subject: your omelet of disease Date: Tue, 31 Jan 95 17:50:21 EST > From: WL261073@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu > Here's a question that's been bugging me for a while: > How do you pronounce Samhain? I've always said it as "Sah-win" because That's the real way to say it. Americans say it differently, that's all. If you want to say it right, then say it that way. Angela said: > The article went on but didn't have any other interesting stuff in it. > Does anyone know if any of this is true, or was he just bullshitting? I > had never heard any of this before. Well Glenn got together 2 times with Lyle and Brian of Minor Threat, and he didn't think they had the right musical ideas. Also, they thought they were some kind of superheros and wanted Glenn to sing whatever they wrote so he just kind of forgot about them. Lyle, however, was interested in playing with Glenn and that's why he appears on the first album on a few songs and played lead guitar at the first Samhain show. > From: SamhainXXX@aol.com > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:18:18 -0500 > Subject: Kryst the Konqueror > > Does anyone know how I can get a cassete copy of their whole LP? Also, where > could I find the EP CD? The only place you can get a copy of the whole LP is from Jerry himself, and he rarely hands it out. The EP is easy enough to find. Just write to their P.O. Box address. It's on the bottom left hand corner of the poster I sent you.... Mark ------------------------------ From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 18:27:07 -0500 Subject: Lot's 'o' Shit It seems that once again I've stirred up a hornets nest..oh well somebody had to I was really getting sick of reading rehashed fanzines..(nothing personal EVB!!) To all of you that choose to bash bands like greenday & The Offspring. Grow Up! your showing your age. Greenday's sound is so punk it's not even funny. You cannot knock a band for being popular. They have a sound very similar to bands that I hold near to my heart such as the Buzzcock's or the Ramones. The Offspring have a classic L.A. Punk sound. If you don't like them don't listen to them but don't sit there like some idiotic net geek and say that they're not punk. When I started working for Jerry & Doy's Dad, as the Office Manager, I was faced with exactly this kind of thinking. When I told someone to do something I got back "Oh, we don't do it that way, we do it this way" what i'm attempting to say is that everyone should broaden there minds alittle bit. The arguement someone made was that punk had to be Anarchic in nature, This is an okay point for the most part, but not true. I don't think that anyone on this list would dispute the fact that the MISFITS were a Punk band. While the vast majority of there music was not about anarchy (Some of it was) the vast majority of Misfits tunes were about Horror, horror movies, etc.. Using something for it's *shock* value does not anarchy make!!!! But it's still punk In the following I will attempt to respond to everyone. Please follow closely :) in #51 yannis responded to my post in #50 CG> ... What, do you have to be dead like Sid and Stiv, or maybe CG> really weird like Glenn, or just plain stupid like Jello. >That's a pretty shit thing to say about someone who is responsible >for one of the best punk bands ever (D.Ks) and who, no matter what, >always stuck to his beliefs, whatever the cost (LITERALLY!). Actually, >I can't believe that someone just said that Jello is stupid! I think you >need to learn what *respect* means. I was trying to be polite. *my opinion* is that he sucks and *I* personally don't like his politics. But you are correct in that he has stuck to his beli efs (However STUPID they may be) and for that fact I give him credit. I've obviously touched a nerve w/you on this whole Jello comment so accept my apology I didn't mean to insult you personally. >The Sex Pistols were created by Malcolm Mc Laren (nothing to do with >the record company). I was oversimplifying things... Malcolm McLaren did indeed create the Sex P's. But he did so for the exact reason I stated "to make great gobs of cash" on a fad that would sell at the time.. bloodboy said in #52 Subject: re: comments by Yannis >Yannis said, "punk never really went away, it's not a trend and it should >be kept underground." Excellent point. If people are really into punk they >will find it. The music is out there; you just have to look around. Punk >is definitely not dead. You can still find all types, from old school to >new school and all the offshoots. the point is good- but where you guys go wrong is the fact that it should be kept underground..What does this prove? That we can be into music that cannot easily be found. Fuck that I kinda like having the ease of finding something to listen to. I also like to hear bands that i'm into getting airplay- In #52 GOAT (angela) said: >Anyway, the discussions in the last Bible about Glenn's name were very >cool. Isn't the name of the city Dontzig (or something like that) in >German? I looked it up in a really old encyclopedia a couple of years >ago and I think that's what the map said. I'm not about to argue this point since it's very vague. In any case has anyone besides me ever noticed that Glenn's *real* name is Anzalone. This is a surname of Italian ancestry. It wouldn't be a far reach to grasp the fact that this name could have had a d - apostrophe in front of it before it was an glisized in this country. ie: D'Anzalone not really a far stretch to DANZIG from that eh?? stephen alan sisson said in #52 Subject: Lettering, Classical >Re: Robert Flemming's analogy of 70's/contemporary punk to classical/new >age- I am an anal retentive loser, but this is a bad analogy. "Classical" >music actually does refer to a certain movement in music in the 18th >century... I forget whether this was when the orchestra was expanded or >if that was the Romantic period.. but for one thing the music is all at >the same sound level -- like Baroque but unlike Romantic-- and can be >punctuated with cadences rather than going on and on like Baroque... >there are words for both of those things but I've forgotten them too. >Unflagging rhythm, I think.. I'm pretty sure your right on the money with this. >If it's punk, it's punk! If it's crap, it's crap! That was my whole point to begin with Gabriel Palczewski said in #52 Subject: To: Crimson Ghost >Welp I was reading over the numerous back issue Bibles and >something CG said I wanted to reply to (this is in Bible #20 I belive) >sorry that this is a late reply but I joined this list shortly after this >issue. >Basicly you said Glenn was the head asshole of the Misfits and >none of his bands are basicly worth shit and this and that how Jerry and Doyle rule the >universe and stuff.. Gabriel I know these comments were *not* what I said I believe you are reading into my comments too much.and taking them out of context. I am an advocate of J & D but this is alittle crazy. Please forward via e-mail the post that I made I cannot find that issue in my archive. I will respond to your comments as soon as possible. Please keep in mind that due to legal restr ictions placed on me by the band I cannot say everything i would like to.. Rocky_Saenz@baylor.edu said in #52: Subject: comments on Misfits Bible, #49 & #50 hey CrmsnGhost, >From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com CG>When you get down to it what is "Punk Rock" CG>anyway? The way I see it Punk is just good rock 'n' roll, simple to play, full CG>of energy, and having the inate ability to piss off ones elders when played at CG>suitable volume. >I don't know about you Crimson Ghost but to me punk means alot more than plain >rock 'n' roll. the problem here is when punk turns into ordinary rock 'n' roll >because it looses its creativity. punk in short means anarchy. it supports >everything that is antisociety. punk means not being afraid to speak your mind >or to be yourself. it is about individuality and not going with the flow. to >me, this is exactly what rock 'n' roll is not. r'n'r has no creativity, >honesty, or individuality. SO HOW CAN YOU SAY PUNK IS "just good rock 'n' >roll?" OK one more time people..Punk is R'N'R!! there it's been said. What do you know the great almighty Anarchy God hasn't even struck me dead yet.. Don't be an idiot The fact that punk is so good is that it's not creative!! It's the same 1-4-5 progressions that we've been listening to since the fifties. Punk is the most basic, raw form of r'n'r there is!! The velvet underground was creative, Pink floyd is creative, punk IS NOT CREATIVE it's RAW and UNADULTERATED like good sex. Take any 50's tune turn up the distortion and play it upbeat and you have punk. Your losing the point it's NOT what there singing. It's how there singing it. PUNK is the ULTIMATE ANARCHY to the musician! It's total garbage any moron with 2 weeks of guitar lessons can play in a punk band, that's what's so great about it. There are some exeptions to this albeit but majority rules. I really don't want to rehash this again it's getting old. when I was 20 I thought like this also but here I am pushing 30 fast and there really is more important things in my life. Grow up people join the world we're all here to make money. Anybody AND I MEAN ANYBODY who REMAINS TRUE TO THEIR IDEALS WITHOUT MAKING MONEY IS A FOOL. Flame me if you want but that's what life is about.. That's about it for me this week folks -- Please feel free to flame via personal e-mail The Crimson Ghost (no sig- fuck it) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 01:39:23 -0500 (EST) From: GOAT Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #52 Wow! I must be psychic! I posted in the last issue that I would love to see Danzig tour with White Zombie, then in the same issue someone said that the hotline stated that they were trying to arrange that! I almost jumped out of my seat when I read that. I am so excited already I can hardly stand it! They are by far my two most favorite bands and I think I would have an orgasm if I saw them together! Pardon my excitement, but it's just completely unbelieveable. If it does actually happen, you can bet I'll be there. Even if I have to take a bus four hours away to get to the show! Someone please calm me down. I just can't deal. I think I'm going to burst! I know this is getting obnoxious, and I apologize, but it's just too much to handle right now. AAAAAAHHHHHHHH! I think I have to go run up and down the stairs for a few minutes to work out some of this excitement. Cya later! Angela- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 12:37:30 +0300 (EET) From: NIKOLOPOULOS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi Subject: Questions + comments... First of all, I was really glad to find out that there are many punks in the bible (Bloodboy, Flex, Rocky_Saenz and more...). To Bloodboy : I agree with you about having to look around in order to find stuff. Best music is almost always not the easiest to find. To Flex : I agree about your Danzig comments... To Elizabeth Bouras : If I may ask, how did you get into the Misfits (and when)? I'm just asking that 'cause of your comments about Misfits popularity ("...most of the world had never heard of them...Mettalica recorded a few tynes..."). These comments I cannot accept and they sound like the comments of the metal crowd that discovered the Misfits through Metallica. I'm not saying there's something wrong with that, I just wanna know where your views are coming from. Gabriel Palczewski said : "...Offspring was cool but I got sick of hearing "Self Esteem" so I sold my CD..." You should've tried de-engaging the repeat button on your CD player whenever you listened to "self esteem". I'm quite sure there were a few more songs on the album ;) :) :) --- And finally a question for all of you : What format (7" or 12") did the first Misfits lp came out as? I got 2 different copies, one 7" and one 12" but I'm almost sure they're both bootlegs. They're both on 45 aswell. Yannis ________/________/________/________/________/________/________/________/______ --------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/------ ### ### ### ### ### ### Yannis Nikolopoulos Nikolopoulos@tnclus.ntc.nokia.com ### ### ### ### Gre:UK:Fin Yannis.Nikolopoulos@ntc.nokia.com ### ### ------------------------------ From: "Bouras, Elizabeth" Subject: Another Danzig tour? Date: Wed, 01 Feb 95 15:20:00 est EV finally updated the message on the hot line and said that the new tour will start March 22nd. He said the dates would be on there within a week so I'll keep check and post 'em when I find out. Wonder who will be opening - last message he said they were trying to hook up with White Zombie but I heard a very unconfirmed rumor from a friend in LA that it will be with Marilyn Manson and a band called Corn (Korn maybe? I've never heard of them) I see from #51 we've all learned our geography. Very good boys and girls! Few comments on #52 - Sean M - Samhain is REALLY pronounced "sow en " - at least in that's how it is in Gaelic. All my pagan friends say that & that's what I call the band. I have an early interview from a New York radio station on tape where the members of Samhain keep correcting the interviewer when he says "Sam Hain" and saying "it's really pronounced "Sow- en" - I guess after a while they just gave up as they later referred to themselves as "Sam Hain" (also Glenn ALWAYS sings "sow en") Ryan_JAS- The Verotik "Phantom Lady" trade paperback came out in early December. If you want this stuff you'll probably have to special order it through your comic book stores when it is solicited several months in advance of publication - if they carry PREVIEWS or ADVANCE comics you can use those as ordering forms. Everything Verotik publishes is solicited through those distributors. (Sadly most comic book stores will not otherwise carry much in the way of indies that are not specifically ordered by customers) Rocky_Saenz - >tell me how many punks in 1984 had the money to buy every Misfits >album they liked Prolly most of 'em considering in 1984 they only had two albums out - Walk Among Us and Earth AD so back then that prolly would have been a total of what, fifteen bucks? The others all were issued posthumously, long after the fact She - maybe all the missing members used up their 10 free aol hours? pbright - no need for EV to call my line to see what I'm up to - if they're not touring I'm home. If they're touring, I'm on the road. Simple! Actually if you call on night rates it's only like 15 cents (if you hang up right away if it's a message you've already heard) Gotta go for now - Bye! Til next time, -EVB ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 17:09:08 -0600 (CST) From: Brent Eyestone Subject: Those wacky Germans... Hello yet again - I just checked out the last issue and I just wanted to agree with Flex, the guy from Germany. He is absolutely correct, there were tons of Misfits albums on Agressive Rock Produktions back when I lived over there. That's why I was so surprised when EVB told me that my Wolfsblood/Earth AD and Evilive albums could fetch $30-75. But what it comes down to is simply, "what are *YOU* willing to pay for it?" Forget what some price guide says - if nobody wants it, it's worth nothing. I don't know, I think that $30 for either of these albums is just fine here in the states because once you make the Deutsch Mark/Dollar conversion and then figure in other costs like shipping, effort, etc., that's about right. Collectors just like things that are different, even if it's only the cover and not the songs themselves that have been changed. Even true fans would be tempted to buy one of these albums because it's simply something they don't have here in the states and it looks different. So that would explain why the prices are high...... I also noticed some of you new guys taking on the likes of the Crimson Ghost and the wonderful and talented EVB. HA HA HA.....foolish mortals. These people will tell you things that you would never hear anywhere else, it's in your best interest to not piss them off or argue with them because they KNOW what they are talking about (for the most part). I mean this latest punk controversy - who cares? What's all this shit about "punk is simply about anarchy." Take your friggin' head out of your ass. That crap died out long ago. If we are to assume that the current "punk" bands are all about anarchy, then why the hell aren't they behaving like it or saying anything about it?? HUH? I'll tell you why - the current punk bands have EVOLVED to where the only things carried over from the days of the Sex Pistols/Buzzcocks/Damned/whatever are the chords, the hair (maybe), and basically the pure, raw ENERGY. Sorry man, no anarchy or god save the queen here. When Green Day ripped through D.C. about a year ago, you want to know what Billie Joe and Mike told me about what the band and the music mean? They said it's simply about jumping up and down and making people move. That's all, no fucking politics and no fucking anarchy. When NOFX came to town over Thanksgiving, they said the same thing. As did Jawbox and just about every band except for Fugazi. But they're not about anarchy *or* making people move. They are about raising conscioussness, period. When the band emerged for their first US show in over a year at Ft. Reno park this summer, I got the chance to sit down with Ian Mackaye to discuss many things, punk bullshit included. That's how he describes it - bullshit. He oversimplified it by saying "it's just sounds, that's how I view it all." So what I'm saying is this - THE CRIMSON GHOST IS RIGHT: it's just rock and roll. The contemporary punks aren't out to stir anarchy and make political statements in hopes of inciting people into radical beliefs. They want to jump around and make a couple bucks (for the most part). Fugazi just wants to get the thoughts in their heads out for people to hear and listen - just for the sake of being heard. They don't expect anything from anybody, they just want to be heard. Ian would probably puke at the worn-out notion of "anarchy" these days. So please - lay off these old misconceptions about what punk "means" or what anything means. If you know what punk "means," then answer me this you friggin' genius - what does pop "mean" - what does rap "mean" - what does "jazz" mean - what does metal "mean" - etc. etc. It's simple - you can't define music!! By doing so - YOU PIGEONHOLE IT. Yeah, maybe some bands are all about anarchy - but not all punk bands. If punk was only about anarchy, then where the hell would you stick bands like SNFU, D.I., TSOL (early days)?????? These bands were "punk" long before Offspring and Green Day, but just like them, they never centered around anarchy. So are they still punk?? What about a band like 311? Oh never mind, they haven't been on MTV yet - sorry I didn't want to confuse you. DAMMIT! Enough of this BULLSHIT!! Just get off your need to define music and don't fuck with Crimsy or EVB and we'll be allright. Damn..... If anybody is interested about Faust and Rebel studios, you can send me a message and I'll forward to you what EVB had to say about these things..... Until Later - Brent E. ------------------------------ Subject: punk in the 90's Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: Paul D Hahn hi, since everyone here is going ape-shit about what is and what isn't real punk, i thought this might ammuse u. in the latest issue of newsweek, i know it sucks but i need it for a class, it has an article about courtney love. it says she is the heir to punk rockness, as in female. it also hails nirvana with changing the downward trend of music in the 90's. also to gab, the shit greenday put out pre-dookie, was way better than the shit on dookie. it was meaner, and they put on a whole lot better show. whoever said that the whole grunge thing is going out of style i hope your right, becauuse all these posers are making me sick. i was one of those kids ridiculed throughout middle and the beginning of high school too. i figured ya'll would like the part about courtney. to the guy who wanted to start a punk opera, it would be a good idea, and would probabely work, you might have to go to the goth subculture though, since most there are loaded. paul "i walk down the street with my dick in my hand, i'm a mean muthafucka, yes i am"-the exceptions ------------------------------ From: pbright@ibm.net Date: Wed, 01 Feb 95 21:48:44 Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #52 Christina in the UK -- Many thanks for all the photocopied stuff you sent me. I doubt that I have anything you don't have, but if you e-mail me your address, I'd be happy to drop some photocopies in the mail. Academic material - hee hee hee -- KIM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Subject: DANZIG VIDEO BOOT! From: ALFREDO CAPPELLO Date: Thu, 02 Feb 95 13:09:00 +0100 Hi everyone, I've seen many guys into bootleging... Well I'm an italian Vidoe trader, I'm interested in Danzig and Misfits stuff... I haven't much to trade only two shows from the Danzig European Tour 1992: Berlin,D 29 august 92 70' quality A/B Milan,Italy 13 october92 80' quality A (master) if someone is interested, e-mail me. bye Alf ------ alfredo.cappello@galactica.it * Q-Blue 1.0 * ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is available at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. MMMM MMMM MMMMM MMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTTTTTT MMMMM MMMMM III SSSS FFFFF III TTTTTT SSSSS MMMMMM MMMMMM IIII SSSSSSS FFF IIII TTTT SSS SS MMMMMMMMMMMMMM IIII SSSS SS FFFFFFF III TTT SSSS MMM MMMMMM MMM III SSSSS FFFFFF III TTT SSSSSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSSS FFF IIII TTT S SSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSS SSS FFF IIII TTT SSS SSSS M M MM MM II SSSSSS FFF III TT SSSSSSS M F II top Misfits Bible, Number 54 Tuesday, February 7th 1995 Today's Topics: Re: Misfits Bible, #53 Punk Wee! Marilyn Manson With Danzig? We Are 138 I was a punk before you were a punk..... Time for an alt.music.danzig FAQ! Last week Danzig the city, etc. Sightings... some comments... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #53 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 95 12:24:16 EST As always, I am responding to last issue's stuff: Chad Biafra > > I have the Irving Plaza NYC boot on cassette (I don't know if it was ever > released on CD). I looked at the song list on the WWW site, and they match, > except for one thing: On side two, after the last song (I think it's Queen > Wasp?), there is about a 10 second pause, and then all of a sudden Last > Caress comes on (a studio version).. It sounds incredible (total > circa-1950's style sound to it). I was just wondering what the hell this > was? Is this a rare version, and why is it all of a sudden on the end of the > boot? Just curious.. Never heard of this. In fact, there was only one versoin of Last Caress recorded, so maybe it just sounds good for some unknown reason. I guess it's possible that some joker came along and jazzed it up a little, but there is only one studio version of this song. > I have original shrink-wrapped 12"s of Evilive, Die Die My Darling, Earth > A.D./Wolfsblood and LOB. Does anybody know if there's anything cool on the > sleeves or if the vinyl is colored? I really don't want to open them up, but > I suppose I could get them re-shrink-wrapped... Yeah right. Misfits LP's have nothing inside them other than the record and a blank white sleeve. Unless of course you have Walk Among Us or some 7" singles. > One last question... Does anybody know if any other version of Children in > Heat exists besides the one on the Live '79! The Perfect Crime 7"? Not yet. That is the only known live version currently circulating. L. Dodsworth " > Someone posted in the alt.punk newsgroup that Danzig was going to release > an EP of Misfits songs, as played by Danzig. Does anyone know anything > about this? It seems very uncharacteristic. Sounds bogus. There are plenty of Danzig bootlegs featuring live Misfits and Samhain songs, but I don't think Glennzig would ever legally release one. > Also if Jerry/Doyle/and CHUD reform the Misfits, what are they going to > do for a singer? What are they going to do? They've been auditioning singers for a long time. There have been several posts on this very mailing list, trying to inspire some of you singers out there to send them a tape of your singing voice... Go Crimson Ghost and Brent Eyestone! As usual, nothing but some good laughs and common sense. Angela: > Wow! I must be psychic! I posted in the last issue that I would love to > see Danzig tour with White Zombie, then in the same issue someone said Danzig and White Zombie toured a few years ago. You missed it... Yannis: > What format (7" or 12") did the first Misfits lp came out as? > I got 2 different copies, one 7" and one 12" but I'm almost sure they're > both bootlegs. They're both on 45 aswell. > Beware is a 12" EP only. 7" copies are bogus bullshit bootlegs. Is there anyone out there who hasn't seen my Misfits/Samhain/Danzig discography that is interested? Email me if you want it. I't massive.... mark ------------------------------ From: Richard_Arredondo@baylor.edu Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 11:25:54 +0000 Picture this (#1)... Glenn Danzig goes to a bar (Al's Bar?) after a really bitchin' show with Sick of it All. He gets pretty tanked up but mind's his own business. While he's finishing off yet another martini, Henry Rollins shows up for A lucky x beer(see black flag tv party video). Henry sees Glenn and goes to talk to him. As the night comes to a close, Glenn tries to drive home.... Rollins, being a true friend, suggests that Glenn is too drunk to__, much less drive. They begin to quarrel and trade blows. My question is, who wins? Does Glenn get to drive home drunk or does Rollins overpower him and save the day? I'm curious. My roommate says Rollins wins because he's taller?!! I say it's close but Danzig's pagan saint swoops down and dresses him in robes of victory. What do you say? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 16:36:15 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: Punk Wee! Ack.. ok here is something I have to say about punk. You can no longer define it. When it began it was leather, spikes, earings and loud fast guitars with screaming but it evolved I guesse and the sounds changed. Sure you can hear some of the old traits but I hate labeling music like that because now there are so many different bands that call themselves that. Offspring and Pennywise do not sound like Green Day or Rancid while Bad Religion and Hole do not sound like each other. Its all about I guesse angst maybe.. like what hard rock started with.. angst.. but punk uses/used shock factor alot. Right now I consider a punk band anything that is not heavy enough to be hard rock or metal but not slow enough to be labeled normal "alternative" or mainstream and shit. Misfits were considered punk but look their lyrics nowhere refelcted those of bands like Sex Pistols or Black Flag. Just drop the punk issue about "who is" "who isn't" personaly i am getting more into punk bands but I don't wanna call myself someone who is into it cuz its like getting married and I am not ready to comitt :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Feb 1995 13:34:21 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Siegel Subject: Marilyn Manson With Danzig? I sure hope someone wasn't teasing us with the notion that Marilyn Manson would be opening for Danzig. I had just been thinking to myself that Manson would be perfect to open for Danzig. Korn is also a very cool band out here in L.A. land. They've been getting a lot of air play on KNAC which is soon to be gone. I saw Marilyn Manson about 3 weeks ago plus twice with NIN. Them and Danzig and Slayer are the best bands live that I've seen. I could do without seeing the Danzig/White Zombie thin again. But then again, it could be Danig/White Zombie/Marilyn Manson. I did see Sean from White Zombie at the M.M. show and apparently she was back stage after the show getting pretty friendly with the guys from M.M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Feb 1995 23:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: RYAN_JAS@bentley.edu Green Day SUCKS!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:40:01 -0500 From: She Subject: We Are 138 Congratulations to Sudama Rice, our 138th subscriber........... mark ------------------------------ From: "Bouras, Elizabeth" Subject: I was a punk before you were a punk..... Date: Fri, 03 Feb 95 11:27:00 est In Bible #53 Yannis asked me >If I may ask, how did you get into the Misfits (and when)? >I'm just asking that 'cause of your comments about Misfits popularity >("most of the world had never heard of them until Metallica recorded >a few tunes"). These comments I cannot accept and they sound >like the comments of the metal crowd that discovered the Misfits >through Metallica. I'm not saying there's something wrong with >that, I just wanna know where your views are coming from. Well, it's a good question and I'd like to take a chance to answer it as you obviously seem to assume that I'm some metalhead just wandering into a punk band long after the fact, but before I tell you about how I got into the Misfits I'd like to fill you in as to a little of my background BEFORE I discovered the Misfits which lead me to make that comment that "most of the world had never heard of them..." I'm probably the oldest person on this mailing list - at 33 going on 34 in a few months. But I'm probably one of the youngest folks around that _really_ got into the 1977 New York punk scene AS IT WAS HAPPENING. When I first started listing seriously to music it was about 1973 and I was heavily into Alice Cooper, David Bowie, Iggy & the Stooges, the New York Dolls etc. I followed the New York Punk scene (I was living in Philadelphia at the time) & got into bands like the Ramones, Patti Smith, Televison etc as they started up. In 1977 I was 16 and held a part time job after school at the local record store "Plastic Fantastic" which was the only place in the area that carried a large selection of imports and indies. I did a lot of their ordering for them & consequently bought just about every punk/new wave release as it came in by bands like the Sex Pistols, X Ray Spex, the Damned etc etc. Even then I was sneaking into the local punk club (the Hot Club) with my fake ID (being as way back then the drinking age was only 18 it wasn't too hard and they didn't give a shit) & saw many of the bands playing there and at other venues (including The Clash, The Runaways, The Dead Boys, Blondie etc - sadly I never saw the Pistols since they never played the east coast although a few of my friends later saw Sid Vicious at Max's Kansas City and told me his show as a pathetic joke) By 1980-1982 I worked off and on as a D.J. for most of the punk & new wave clubs in Philly, including Omnis, The East Side Club, Ripleys, the Love Club, The Black Banana and Rainbows (which later became the Kennel club). Often clubs that played disco the rest of the week would hire me one night a week to attract a younger, hipper crowd. In fact I supported most of my way through art school by DJ'ing. Nights I wasn't working I'd go to shows and I saw many of the bands that played, including The Dead Kennedys, Bauhaus, Circle Jerks, and Black Flag (before Henry sang for them even!) Hell, I even saw U2 play in a tiny club called the Bijou Cafe in front of about 30 people right after their first album "Boy" came out. I'd heard of those bands because I read every music magazine I could get my hands on and I scoured the record shops. But I NEVER can recall hearing of the Misfits. I don't remember seeing their records. Even in retrospect I STILL cannot find much that was written about them at the time - the biggest fanzines that wrote them up were Slash and Flipside; neither of which I remember seeing in Philadelphia during that time. Both were west coast based 'zines and maybe they just never got much in the way of distribution on the east coast. I never saw any articles on them in the east coast based magazines like New York Rocker and Punk. (Those articles I re-typed were from zines that I got many years later & most of them were little xeroxed and hand stapled jobs!) In fact the Misfits even PLAYED at one of the clubs I worked for - The Love Club at the corner of South Street & Broad. But it was a night I wasn't working & I didn't go as I had no idea who they were or even that they were playing. I only found out about it many years later when somebody gave me a photocopy of a flyer for that show & you can bet that when I saw it I sat down and cried for what I hadn't known about at the time. To make matters worse, the band that opened for them, "The Little Gentlemen" included my college roomie's cousin. I'm sure that the Misfits were more popular in other cities (like New York, Detroit etc) where they had a biggest following and there was probably better word of mouth advertising, but in Philly nobody ever mentioned them that I heard. (And I REALLY don't think I was an out of touch geek at the time!) Between late 1982 and 1986 I stopped going out - the reasons are personal but a lot of it had to do with the fact that a lot of the people I knew had gotten into drugs and two of my closest friends committed suicide. One of them was Lee Paris who had been at the forefront of the Philly punk scene since it started (he did the local college radio station WXPN's punk show "Yesterday's Now Music Today" and booked nearly all the local shows) and he was the one who had gotten me into DJ'ing. I just couldn't deal with the scene anymore & I retreated. Unfortunately this also means I missed out hearing about Samhain when they were together. (And they played at another club I worked at now that Rainbows had become "The Kennel Club" - I've got a flyer for that show too!) In 1987 I moved down to the 'burbs outside of DC & started going out again. I discovered a wonderful record store in Silver Spring called "Vinyl Ink" and it was in there that I first heard the Misfits. One day George (the owner) was playing one of their 7"s for somebody considering buying it and it sounded great. And I knew that the singles were pricey and I didn't want to hear it if I couldn't buy it (literally!) so I left the store, lest I get sucked into collecting another pricey band. (At the time I was a HUGE Sisters of Mercy fan and paying out the wazoo for all their early rare stuff - whenever I get into anything I get totally obsessive and I have to have absolutely everything) In retrospect I can ID that song - it was "London Dungeon" from "Three Hits from Hell". The next year "Walk Among Us" was reissued and since I'd heard from several people (including George) that it was a real classic I picked up the reissue. And truthfully, the first time I played it I didn't like it - the music was too fast for me and I guess I'd hoped for something more like the Cramps (one of my all time fav bands). Plus it didn't sound anywhere as good as that bit I'd heard in Vinyl Ink. So I stuck it back on the shelf. Then of course the first Danzig album came out. I thought about getting it but didn't get around to it. Then one of my best friends called me up and told me "there's this album you have to hear. I know you hate heavy metal but you have to promise me that if I send you a tape you'll listen to it". Knowing that Gregg and I had similar taste I promised him I'd give it a listen, even though I shuddered at the thought of listening to a metal band. The tape turned out to be the first Danzig album. Gregg cued it so that the first song I ever heard was "Soul on Fire" and I was completely hooked. I never had heard an album that affected me that deeply and I was intrigued by the obvious intelligence and Glenn's incredible voice. I immediately went out and bought everything else I could find - I discovered Samhain and purchased Initium and November Coming Fire and loved those (even today I still prefer Samhain to the Misfits) as well as Legacy of Brutality and the 20 Track compilation album. I loved "Legacy" especially, it was much closer to what I had expected the Misfits would sound like. Earth AD I liked less - again, too fast, even more so than Walk Among Us (which did grow on me over time and many listenings although I'm still not real keen on Earth AD) Then I found out the scary thing - that most of their best songs only appeared on the rare and pricey out of print singles. So I bought them all and loved them, and like I'd been afraid, I became the obsessive completest collector. Speaking of collecting I'd like to bring up another fact that lead me to making that "the rest of the world had never heard of them" comment. The Misfits 7" singles were pressed in small quantities and did not receive much in the way of distribution - this is why they are so expensive and rare today. Contrast that to a band like the Dead Kennedys who got a LOT more publicity and distribution at the time, so a LOT more people bought their records. Today a copy of "Holiday in Cambodia" or "Kill the Poor" will run you what, 8 to 10 bucks? Compare that to an original copy of "Bullet" or "Horror Business" that will set you back about $150! There is a reason they are so rare - not many people bought them when they came out! If they had they wouldn't be so rare. Oh, and by the way I'd like to add in my comments on the first time I ever heard Metallica. I went to see them in 1989 when they were touring with the Cult - truthfully I only went to see the Cult and figured that since I was there I might as well stick around to see Metallica. And when I heard them my response was "gee, every song sounds like something from Earth AD if you made it much longer & stuck in guitar solos". So much for Liz's first exposure to Metallica! I'm sorry if I rambled on for quite a while, I just wanted to clarify my views and where they came from, lest somebody think I'm some bandwagon jumper when in fact I was prolly hanging around punk clubs when a lot of you were playing in the sandbox with your Masters of the Universe toys. Nyah.... To answer your other question - the first Misfits album that came out was "Walk Among Us" and it was released as a 12" LP. There is a later bootleg that is 2 x 45"s. Also just wanted to comment on a few other posts: Chad Biafra - welcome to the bible - glad to have you aboard!! I'll try and answer a few of your questions. First off, no cassette or video bootleg is rare - anybody who can dub two machines together and xerox the covers can make as many as they want! So if you hav e a tape that matches what you've seen listed except it's got another track it just means that whoever recorded it stuck another song on. The Danzig video boot is probably the Sheffield show from Sheffield England in October 1988 when they were opening for Metallica on their British tour. It's the only early Danzig video boot that I know of (all the rest I know of are from later tours) & it's about 40 some minutes long. I dunno about the stuff at the end - sounds like the bootlegger was just sloppy.. As for your shrink wrapped albums - the pressings of LOB, Evilive and Die Die that were on colored vinyl have stickers on the jackets that say "colored vinyl". The only pressings of Earth AD that are on colored vinyl are the REALLY early ones. You can tell if it's an early pressing by the color of the sleeve - the really early Earth Ad's have a more reddish purple background while the later ones are a really dark purple (more blue purple than red purple). None of these ever came with anything printed on the inner sleeves. Glad you got a chance to meet Glenn - he's generally very cool & glad to sign stuff for fans. The rare exception is of course when somebody brings him a bootleg. I can't blame him for being pissed being as these are illegally made products that are ripping him off. It's kinda insulting to have somebody ask you to autograph something that is basically stolen merchandise L. Dodsworth - There's NO truth to the rumor that Danzig are going to release an EP of Misfits songs as played by Danzig. Besides, what's the point? Prolly some fan's wishful thinking. Jerry Doyle and Chud are still auditioning singers, last I heard (one of my friends auditioned) She - I have a Samhain era audio interview on tape where Glenn talks about Lyle - he said the main reason Lyle quit Samhain was because it was so hard for him to hook up for rehearsals being as he still lived in DC & Samhain was based in North Jersey. Crimson Ghost- Sorry if I bored you with old rehased fanzines - I just thought there were enough folks on the Bible who had probably never seen those interviews and would be interested. I was trying to get a little more "on topic" since some folks were complaining there was too much focus on the bible on Danzig and not enough on the Misfits! GOAT - I've seen Danzig with White Zombie a bunch of times and it was a FANTASTIC lineup. The funniest show was the last they did together on the '92 tour (in Detroit) - at the end of White Zombie's set Rob introduced his "good friend Scary Von" and Eerie came on dressed like Rob wearing a mop on his head & dancing around with them - it was hysterical! We can only hope they hook up together again!! Brent E - Hey, thanks for sticking up for me!! And I'm SOO sick of this punk/not punk debate!! Sorry if I've rambled on WAY too long.... bye for now! -EVB ------------------------------ From: "Bouras, Elizabeth" Subject: Time for an alt.music.danzig FAQ! Date: Fri, 03 Feb 95 11:37:00 est I'm really sick and tired of the same questions being asked every week or so in alt.music.danzig so I'm now working on writing up an FAQ for this newsgroup. If anybody would like to contribute any questions they'd like to see included, please e-mail me! I hope to post the first version in the next few days. Thanks, EVB ------------------------------ From: CrmsnGhost@aol.com Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:38:29 -0500 Subject: Last week Last time Eerie Von Bouras Said in response to She: >She - maybe all the missing members used up their 10 free aol >hours? Liz, even you?? I am personally getting *sick* of being the butt of so many net jokes. Trust me the majority of competent people using AOL know that our service sucks, but what can we do about it?? It's dirt cheap - not all of us can have an .edu or .gov address ya know! Brent: Thanks for plug man. After your rocky start on this list, you've turned into a top ten contributor, and if you stick your neck out on the block in front of these barbarians you're OK in my book. last week She said: alright never mind I don't have the quote handy, he said something to the effect of writing to Mo to get the Album or the EP of KTC. Forget it people as far as the EP gos all copies are spoken for. there is a stash of 500 cassette copies that someone bought. I will post that address if he's willing to sell some. The complete album has not been released yet so don't ask for it unless you got something REALLY worthwhile to trade him for it. btw - Jerry only has been known as Mo since he was young that is his real nickname in the future I will refer to him as such because it is very difficult for me to remember to call him Jerry while posting. +---------------------------------------------------------+ |The Crimson Ghost |"God save the queen, from | | | facist regime" Johnny Rotten | || | | |"Castles made of sand melt into | |Hopatcong, NJ USA | the sea, eventually" Jimi Hendrix | +---------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: pbright@ibm.net Date: Fri, 03 Feb 95 21:36:12 Subject: Danzig the city, etc. Okay, I never thought I would actually use any of this information, but here we go: Danzig (currently Gdansk in Poland) was a German Free State, which meant it wasn't run by a prince or a duke, up until WWI, when all German aristocracy was pitched. The only evil thing I can think of about Danzig is that it was once part of Prussia (the eastern part of the German states, later became East Germany and Poland) was VERY militaristic and Spartan. Other than that it was (and is) a big shipyard & port. There wasn't a concentration camp there or anything. Glenn reminds me a lot of my in-laws, who are all first- and second-generation American-born Germans. EVB -- If Glenn didn't move after the 'quake, I know vaguely the neighborhood where he lives. You're right not to give the address out. Sure as hell, some weird obsessed dweeb would be dumb enough to knock on his door at 4AM just to say "Hey dude, I think you're really, really cool." Have you ever been to his house? Just curious. I personally have NO desire to go to LA for any reason at all... If Eerie lives in NJ, who picks up the mail at the PO box these days? TeeVie -- are you one of those people I have to crawl over every time I walk down Kirkwood?! 8-} Just kidding. PJ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Chad Biafra Subject: Sightings... Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:39:37 -0600 (CST) Hey all... Here's proof that the Misfits aren't dead! That Crimson Ghost skull face has become pretty popular over the years, and here's some places I've seen it: Remember that series 'Small Wonder' with that robot girl? Well, in one episode her and her brother get thrown in jail for something, and there's this woman in their cell wearing a bandana and a tie-dye Crimson Ghost skull face shirt! I was actually lucky enough to get that episode on VHS, so hopefully one day I can scan it.. Does anybody remember that movie about those college/academy students that get held hostage or something? I think it was called 'Toy Soldiers'... Anyway, in one of the guy's bedroom in the dorms, he has a big tapestry of the Crimson Ghost face.. It's hanging over his bed or something... If you've checked out the new GWAR movie 'Skulhed Face', you'll see a poster of four CG skulls in the background during the first couple minutes of the movie.. In the new movie 'Higher Learning', the one soon-to-be-skinhead guy has a poster of the Danzig/White Zombie concert (I know it was Danzig and someone) hanging on his wall... I'm sure there has to have been other movies/television programs I've seen the skull on, I just can't remember any.. Maybe some other people can add to the list... -CB ------------------------------ From: NIKOLOPOULOS@tne01.tele.nokia.fi Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:56:44 +0300 (EET) Subject: some comments... I think that the punk debate is getting a bit out of hand because this is the Misfits Bible and not a punk mailing list but I would like to give my last input to all that, just to clear things up a bit... First of all, people here should take into consideration that whenever somebody says something, the rest don't know where this person is coming from... I'm not one of the punk idealists (never was) *but* I know they exist, they are for real! Yea, maybe age has something to do with it but, shit, I respect them 'cause even for a short period of time they *do* have an idealistic view about anarchy and punk as their whole world!...So, CG don't patronise them, let them "grow up" their own way. And of course, no need to apologize to me; I respect your views. I was merely commenting on these views...Oh and do stir shit up! I enjoy it too ;) On to Brent Eyestone's letter : I read it a few times just to work out if it was meant to be lighthearted or not. Ok, it starts off as being lighthearted : "I also noticed some of you guys taking on the likes of C.G and the wonderful and talented EVB. Ha Ha Ha..." After that, it became a mess! And, definitely not funny! Ok, first of all, I never doubted anybody's knowledge but what I *hate* is those hierarchies that are being set by (usually weak and uncertain) people. Then, Brent keep in mind that punk is *all* about politics for some people. There is an apolitical side, I'm sure (R'n'R, fun ...) but the other side is definitely there too! I too, know many apolitical punk bands (maybe more than you) like the Ramones, the Cramps, the Misfits (he he), White Flag, Descendents, the Damned, and many more but I also know many "serious" punk bands too: I mean just take most DC (Minor Threat, Teen Idles, SOA, Rec C, Gov. Issue, ...) or NY HC (G.Biscuits, SOIA, Madball,...) bands or bands like Black Flag, DOA, DK's, the Clash, etc... These are never-ending discussions. I can't really be bothered but as C.G said any more comments could be taken to e-mail... thats it I guess... Yannis p.s : There were many more comments I would like to make about the last couple of issues but .... no more time left. --------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/--------/------ ### ### ### ### ### ### Yannis Nikolopoulos Yannis.Nikolopoulos@ntc.nokia.com ### ### ### ### ### ### ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is available at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. MMMM MMMM MMMMM MMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTTTTTT MMMMM MMMMM III SSSS FFFFF III TTTTTT SSSSS MMMMMM MMMMMM IIII SSSSSSS FFF IIII TTTT SSS SS MMMMMMMMMMMMMM IIII SSSS SS FFFFFFF III TTT SSSS MMM MMMMMM MMM III SSSSS FFFFFF III TTT SSSSSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSSS FFF IIII TTT S SSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSS SSS FFF IIII TTT SSS SSSS M M MM MM II SSSSSS FFF III TT SSSSSSS M F II top Misfits Bible, Number 55 Thursday, February 9th 1995 Today's Topics: Danzig FAQ + justa few comments on #54 early 7"s Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Glenn vs. Rollins Singers, RE #53 Lots o Stuff we are 138? CDs 4 sale Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Flogging dead horses That's not nice, and help! re:punks DANZIGvsrollins Evilive, ftp site Barfight More places I've seen the Crimson Ghost.... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Bouras, Elizabeth" Subject: Danzig FAQ + justa few comments on #54 Date: Tue, 07 Feb 95 10:23:00 est Hello again! For anybody who is interested I've posted the 1st version of the alt.music.danzig FAQ to alt.music.danzig - if anybody else wants a copy but can't get into USENET please e-mail me and I can send it to you. There are two parts - Part I answers frequently asked questions and Part II is a discography of Danzig & related bands (Misfits/Samhain etc). Please note: this only covers legitimate releases; I'm not going to even attempt to cover the bootlegs out there. I'm not trying to duplicate Mark's efforts by ANY means and if anything I'd prefer to direct people to his web page if they've got access to it (which not everybody does) for the "definitive" info. And of course I've put in a plug for the Misfits Bible so I hope some more folks will find out about this list there - hey, I wouldn't have known about it if the Crimson Ghost hadn't posted there about it last summer! And being as it's the Danzig newsgroup the focus there is on Danzig, but I'm going to try and write up a brief history of the Misfits., Samhain etc as background material. (In other words I'm already at work on the next update but I wanted to post SOMETHING to help stop the same questions being asked over & over!) If anybody has anything they'd like included or suggestions PLEASE e-mail me! Thanks! Sorry if I rambled on way too long last time - I know I suffer from really bad verbal diarrhea. I guess I just got really steamed at the suggestion that my comments sounded like those of "the metal crowd" and I felt obligated to describe where I'm coming from. Thanks for bearing with me... Just picked up Henry Rollin's new book "GET IN THE VAN" that chronicles his years with Black Flag and wanted to point out to anybody interested that there are a couple of really cool photos (as well as mentions in the text) of the Misfits in there - one concert shot, one backstage photo of the Misfits, Henry Rollins and tattooist Rick Spellman (from when The Misfits and Black Flag played the Santa Monica Civic Center) and a fanzine cover with Henry and Samhain era Glenn. (And if ANYBODY has that issue of "HARD TIMES" zine PLEASE contact me as I'd love to get a copy of it!) Few comments on #53: Daniel Siegel - I haven't heard anything more about the possibility of Danzig touring with Marilyn Manson but when I hear ANYTHING about Danzig's tour I'll post it here & to alt.music.danzig. EV still hasn't updated the answering machine with the tour dates but I expect 'em soonish, as he said the tour should star March 22nd. I'm hoping MM isn't just a rumor - I heard it from somebody with pretty good connections to American (otherwise I wouldn't even have mentioned it, I wouldn't do something like that just to tease anybody). I'm a huge MM fan myself - can't wait to see them next week at the 9:30m club on Valentine's day! Crimson Ghost - sorry, didn't mean to offend you. I guess I'd just been reading too much about the turnover at AOL - with AOL, Prodigy etc offering free hours for the first month apparently a lot of folks shop around & only use it for a month & then move on to get some more free hours somewhere else. Actually as I'm in the midst of getting a PC for home it's one of the options I'm considering as I shop around for affordable home net access. (I can't continue to risk doing this much at work anymore, plus I've become a net junkie!) That's it for now, see ya in a few days! -EVB ------------------------------ From: bj flex Subject: early 7"s Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 16:41:32 MEZ in bible #54 elizabeth bouras says the misfits weren't famous back then because their early 7"s came out in very limited quantities. first of all, i was there in 81, too, and i DID know the misfits, even though i live in the southwest of germany (which was a total fuckin desert back then as far as u.s. punk goes). they already were considered a classic band back then, and it seems real odd that you didn't hear about them (then again, i didn't hear of black flag before 1983, so we're even... :) ) about the "limited quantities", the rarest misfits 7" (besides cough cool which is out of question here) is night of the living dead, and there are 2000 copies of that one. most other 7"s were released in much bigger runs, especially the 3 hits from hell 7" (close to 8000 copies, can't recall the exact numbers). also, there are like 15000-20000 copies of the beware 12", and a lot more of the original walk among us lp. these are numbers other punk bands could only dream of. i think the first minor threat 7" had about 4000 copies of all pressings combined, and the early touch & go 7"s (necros - iq 32, process of elimination, negative approach...) had around 2000 copies each, and they were all over the place. considering this, i think the price level for the misfits 7"s is ridiculous. cheers flex ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 10:51:19 EST > From: Richard_Arredondo@baylor.edu > > Picture this (#1)... > it All. He gets pretty tanked up but mind's his own business. While he's > finishing off yet another martini, Henry Rollins shows up for A lucky x beer > (see black flag tv party video). Henry sees Glenn and goes to talk. As the Hey! What the hell is this? Obviously, this is all theoretical, but... what's the part about Black Flag's TV Party video? I assume you're just talking about Rollins. Glenn's not in that is he? mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:53:01 -0500 (EST) From: Chuck Plater Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Is the unauthorized version of Walk Among Us (from Ruby/Warner Bros.) rare or not? I head that Glenn had it pulled shortly after it was release, but I managed to pick one up and wondered if it was rare. I have most of the 'fits stuff and a lot of it is bootleg stuff like the 7' Beware and shit like that. I don't imagine that's too rare as a lot of people have it. Oh well, just wanted to see if anyone knows... Chuck Plater Student Consultant, Wayne State University ---------------------------------- "She lies and thinks she's in |Chuck_A._Plater@mts.cc.wayne.edu| love with him, can't find a |platerca@applelink.apple.com | better man" PJ, Betterman |Cplater@scil.pass.wayne.edu | |cplater@pass.wayne.edu | ---------------------------------- CS/MU -d+ H++ s+:+ g- p? au a- w++ v* C++++ US++ P? L 3 E--- N+++ K- W--- M++ V po-- T+ t+++ !5 j- R G? tv+ b++ D+ B-- e+ u+ h!* f r n---- y+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 15:55:34 -0500 (EST) From: Damage Subject: Glenn vs. Rollins Re : Richard_Arredondo@baylor.edu >blows. My question is, who wins? Does Glenn get to drive home drunk or >does Rollins overpower him and save the day? I'm curious. My roommate >says Rollins wins because he's taller?!! I say it's close but Danzig's >pagan saint swoops down and dresses him in robes of victory. What do you >say? Richard - I say no contest.. What will poor 'ol Henry do, hit Glenn with his NECK?? I DID hear something about Rollins winning some "tough man" competition, but I would still put my support behind Glenn.. For many reasons.. first, I'm sure he's got his fair share of strength.. But his attitude alone gives him a lot of power.. Rollins seems like he has a "don't care" attitude ("I've heard it before!" - BF).. I think Glenn has more killer instinct.. Wolf's Blood.. Then he knows quite a bit about a few martial arts, too.. No contest in my book, although I still think Rollins is a tough guy.. -------------------------------------------------------------------- " They should have known it from birth.... Pain had come to this world " -Glenn Danzig ---------------------- damage@interactive.net ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:02:22 -0500 (EST) From: Damage Subject: Singers, RE #53 She : Regarding the Misfits and your comment in #53 about auditioning singers : I only wish I was just a few years older.. I've been basement singing Misfits stuff for maybe 2 years, and always dreamed of maybe doing some covers with others interested in the Misfits just for fun on our spare time.. It would be my wet dream to sing for the Misfits..Shitty thing is, I'm 18... I guess Glenn wasn't too old when he began, but hell, we're talking the Misfits here, NOW, and what the hell is an 18 year old kid gonna do? I'd send a tape for the hell of it though... just as a token of appreciation to the existing Misfits... -------------------------------------------------------------------- " They should have known it from birth.... Pain had come to this world " -Glenn Danzig ---------------------- damage@interactive.net ---------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:15:47 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: Lots o Stuff Ok first of all I managed to find after looking in 4 places in Grand Rapids, a location that actually has THE UNDEAD 7" singles. They were 4 bux but 2 were broke and the only one that was not was THE INVISIBLE MAN so I got that and I guesse since I am not into vinyl I have never seen clear vinyl and it was so cool. I also found in the used bin a copy of LEGACY OF BRUTALITY. Good album but sorta disapointed me how it didn't get good until the end. By far "She", "Where Eagles Dare" and "Halloween" are the best tracks on the album. Concerning where I heard of Misfits from.. welp I shamefully say.. Metallica I guesse. It was the day before I was off to see the good old Metallica concert with Danzig (1994) and I put on one of my LIVE SHIT videos so I could see maybe how they do things there and boom "Last Caress" was on it. I knew it was not a Metallica original so I looked in the book and it said writer/composer Glenn Danzig and I freaked so I looked at all my Danzig albums and at the time 1 Samhain album and it wasn't there so then I looked in my All Music Guide and under Samhain and say wee! Misfits so I went and got the Misfits AMG and it confirmed they were the ones who did it and after making a fool out of myself trying to find what album the song was on and buying the 20 song CD on accident cuz I swore it was there I was hooked on Misfits and the closest I have come to ever hearing the original was the cruddy demo on BEYOND EVIL bootleg. NEXT! I belive WE should do a THE UNDEAD, MISFITS, SAMHAIN, & RELATED BANDS discography for this list. oh yeah and DANZIG too.. like answer all those fun questions and maybe answer ignorant peoples stupid assumptions like the ones at my school who belive the Misfits are still around as a Danzig side project or that they coverd Metallica songs. Yes my school is POSER HIGH.. Uhm thats about it for me now.. TTYL! ------------------------------ From: "Sternaimolo, Daniel J." Subject: we are 138? Date: Tue, 07 Feb 95 17:08:00 PST what does 138 mean? i've been listening to the Misfits since 1985, and my friends and I never figured out what it meant.............. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 05:47:52 -0600 From: Carl Sylvester Subject: CDs 4 sale I am mostly a lurker to this list. I wish I could contribute, but my knowledge only goes as far as the info on this list... I recently purchased some pricey vinyls, so I need some cash... I'm selling the following 2 CDs, each I purchased for $25 (one of them was more, but I won't say how much I paid), and I'm looking to get around that for each disc. Please email me with any questions or offers. As always, I'm always looking to trade for any Misfits concerts/rarities that I do not have. Thanks for reading... 'Beware and the Rest' CD - "Beware" 12" EP - We Are 138, Bullet, Hollywood Babylon, Attitude, Horror Business, Teenagers From Mars, Last Caress - "Cough/Cool" 7" single - Cough/Cool, She - "3 Hits From Hell" 7" single - Teenagers From Mars / Children in Heat, Rat Fink - "Who Killed Marylin" 7" single [Danzig solo] - Who Killed Marylin, Spook City USA - "Halloween" 7" single - Halloween, Halloween II - 'Return of the Fly' outtake - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 'Beyond Evil' CD (various sources...some demos/outtakes/rehearsals etc...) Children in Heat, Rat Fink, Halloween II, Nike a Go Go, We Are 138, Teenagers From Mars, Come Back, Angelfuck, Spook City USA, Demonomania, Queen Wasp (instrumental), Theme for a Jackal, Who Killed Marylin, Where Eagles Dare, Return of the Fly, Devil's Whorehouse, Devilock, Green Hell, Last Caress, Hybrid Moments, Attitude, Hollywood Babylon ^~^~Carl Sylvester^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^anthrax@interaccess.com~^~^~^ "This guy's making a tape recording, everybody be careful, don't make too much noise. No, keep it out, I like that idea. He's OK, let him tape the show... Yeah, we want to remember this, right? He can tape it..." - Eddie Vedder @ Stockholm 6/25/92 - -`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-`-` collecting rare audios of Metallica, MiSFiTS, Pearl Jam? email! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 18:51:49 -0500 (EST) From: GOAT Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #54 Hey fiends! I liked the post about the appearances of Misfits paraphernalia in movies and shows. I can think of a couple of others right off hand. One is in the movie "Point Break". It's a Beware poster hanging on the wall of the character Anthony Kiedis (from RHCP) plays. I noticed it briefly during the scene where their house gets raided. Another is in the TV show "Saved By The Bell". ( I know it's cheesy, but oh well!) It's in the episode when Jesse's step-brother moves in with her. He has an Evilive poster hanging on his wall. It's a different one than the one I have. Mine only has three coffins on it, but the one on his wall has four. Just thought I'd point those out. One other thing, maybe Elizabeth or Mark could answer this one. Have you