Misfits Bible, Number 121 Thursday, November 16th 1995 Today's Topics: morrison\danzig Collection II collection II Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Last Ish Collection II Re: Misfits Bible, #119 collection II RE:Devilock rage... Chiller con/1st show - finally! Re: Misfits Bible, #120 INTERVIEW Glenn Danzig/Verotika Misfits posters for sale A cool conversation POSTER CONTEST Re: 1 2 0 Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Re: Misfits Bible, #120 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: "mr. pink" Subject: morrison\danzig ok, i'm gonna have to disagree with whoever seems to think that gleen has more brains than morrison. i mean, yes...morrison did fuck up with drinkin and all and ended up dying at 27, but he was a genius! the way he manipulated the media to turn himself into some kind of icon for revolution. saying that danzig has more brains in his pinky is insane! granted, danzig is an intelligent guy, but i do not think he has nearly the faculties that morrison had. morrison was a wonderful poet and a scholar of the works of neitzsche and rimbaud. danzig, too is a scholar, but i am gonna have to say that jim puts him to shame in the brain department. just my opinion, though. the doors have been my favorite band since ninth grade, and i loved the misfits (still do), but i am gonna have to say that i think morrison was a genius and glenn is merely a smart guy. thanks. pinky m i s t e r p i n k ! * * * * * * * * * * * e-lon sXe--- =>wilsb5r0@numen.elon.edu<= reservoir dogzz (eddy & me) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:16:03 -0600 (CST) From: "J. Jorden" Subject: Collection II YUCK! God I really wanted to like this thing, but for the most part this release is utter crap. Most of it sounds like really bad Samhain with '95 Danzig vocals. And what is this bullshit about Danzig and Spot recording all the material? The songs that sound best are probably ones that they lost the original multi track for (like Return of the Fly, etc).. Everything is mixed really bad, like a shitty heavy metal album. Horrible. I think that Cough/Cool is a complete butcher job. That song is really great and it's terrible that most mall-Fits will have to hear that version first! I like about 5 tracks of the 20, but overall i feel ripped off. Even the stuff from Beware, etc is shitty because of the way it's mastered... Halloween sounds terrible because of the mix. Oh well... i was gonna sell my Beware and the Rest but no chance.. prolly be the Collection II that i sell. I can without a doubt, one hundred percent say this is the biggest hunk of crap ever released under the Misfits name. sorry to rant! ------------------------------ From: "Dorin M. Petre" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:39:25 +0600 Subject: collection II -I agree w/whoever said that Cough/Cool's lyrics were done this year... It's a cool song still, but it has a snare drum that is so misplaced... It's got the original drum thing, then that snare out of nowhere... -Braineaters definitely needed more vocals. ...did anyone think that it sounds more like "Oi! Oi! Oi!" instead of "Hey! Hey! Hey!" ? -Devil's whorehouse isn't ne of my favorite misfits songs, but the one on Collection II is better than the original. I think so because the wierd popping noise isn't accented as much.. Coolest thing about the cd: the cover. I think so at least. -GREG PETRE "...drench your vision in darkness..." -GREG PETRE ------------------------------ From: DODSWORTH Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:19 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 From: BT5211 >Two more questions: >When will collection 2 be released in the UK and will the Misfits >come to Europe? I am also over here in England. I hadn't expected to see Collection II for a while, but I was browsing through a small record store called Volume, and they had it for 12 pounds. Needless to say I got it. I haven't looked for it in any of the major stores, but most likely HMV or Virgin will order it for you. -John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:31:22 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Ish >> To add a little topicality to this post; I don't hear anyone bringing up the >> fact that "Walk among us" is out on Warner Bros. and Danzig on American. No >> of course not, you like these bands. > >cg, i thought this discussion was re: a major-label band claiming to >be revolutionary. (don't get me wrong, i love the album...don't really >know what the message is supposed to be since i haven't read the lyrics >...but the music kicks). it doesn't make sense to compare ratm to >misfits/danzig, since to my awareness (minimal tho' it may be), neither >ever claimed to be revolutionary/political/what-have-you the way people >say that ratm have (i don't know that they have). My point exactly, I'm not one to sit and read lyric sheets, as a matter of fact the lyrics for "Killing in the name of" are mysteriously omitted. I could give a fuck what he's saying, I like like the tune. I made this comment as a stab at these "indie snobs" who think that major labels are evil. My feeling is these people lash out at major's because they are jealous that there fav's don't get the attention, and when these bands get the attention they drop them from their play lists, it makes no sense. As an example; Nirvana had a huge "cult" following up to and including the release of Bleach. But these fans turned their backs on them when Nevermind came out and went number 1. The music didn't change just the popularity of the band. Unfortunately shit for brains Cobain thought the same as his early fans. > >> btw - Valgamon I see that your a computer science major, that's great your >> setting yourself up to join corporate America. With all your ideals I think >> another profession would have suited you better, but then again it's not a >> crime for you to make money is it? It's only a crime for bands. > >my email addy notwithstanding, this is a cheap shot. you don't know >what valg's plans are. i've known more than a few people who got their >engineering/business degrees but did not use them (in the usual sense). >it was something they wanted to do, not a means to an end. Yes it is a cheap shot, it was meant as a cheap shot. There are plenty of people on this list that think that because a band is popular they have sold out. Look at the thread about the fucking Misfits statues. So they cost $150, don't like it don't buy it. Why don't you ask Jonathan Grimm if the statues are worth the money. I think I know what his answer will be. Jerry released the statues because it's something he is into and has been into for a long time, He wanted to share this interest with some of his fans. These models are expensive to prooduce therefore they are expensive to buy. I think the people complaining really like the models and would love to have one, but they're pissed at the price so they complain. For as much stuff as Jerry has GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE over the years I think we can let him make a couple bucks on merchandising. Did any of you know that 2 years ago if you wrote jerry a letter and just said you were a big fan chances are he would have sent you a signed poster. That's the kind of person he is, all give he doesn't want anything in return, everything he does is for his fans. What has Glenn done for you lately, other than try to keep the Misfits down? ************ PLEASE READ BELOW ************************ To those of you that take the time to read what I say, thank you. To those of you that think these posts have no place on this list, fuck you. My posts concern topics that directly impact the Misfits and Danzig. As far as being political yes some do turn into that, life's a bitch. I think that there is room on this list for posts of this nature, without them this list would be a bunch of posts about album reviews, fav tunes, sightings, and bodily functions. In 5 months I will have been a member of this list for 2 years (since day one) I believe there were 5 of us, I've always posted in this manner and always will. I love to still up things. It keeps life interesting. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% * A writer is like a gypsy. He owes no allegiance to any government.% % If he is a good writer he will never like the government he lives * * under. His hand should be against it, and its hand will always % % be against him. -- Ernest Hemingway * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:40:33 EST From: MR MAURICIO NUNEZ Subject: Collection II Just picked up collection II and I think it rips! I have no complaints at all. After reading all the mixed reviews from everyone, I thought it was gonna suck. I think it is great! I think cough/cool was really great. Same with Mephisto Waltz. And if Glenn wants Mephisto Waltz to be known as a Misfits song, then is a Misfits. Remember Glenn ------------------------------ From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:18:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #119 i'm from boston. i'm seeking anyone in the area who wants to sing for a band influenced by the misfits. i'm also looking for misfits' 7" & evilive & earth a.d. on cd --------mark ------------------------------ From: EvilDieff@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:39:53 -0500 Subject: collection II i got the collection today, cd and green vinyl. i must say a few songs sound like november-coming-fire era samhain doing them, especialy mephisto waltz. the earth ad stuff sounds the same, just more guitar. sounds like what jerry was talking about on the radio interview last year. cough/cool, i liked, different, kinda' industrail sounding. could this be a preview of the new danzig stuff to come? i think it's pretty good, but some stuff sounds like samhain, but since i like samhain, i enjoyed it. later. Don "Evil" Dieffenbach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) From: "C.G. Walters" Subject: RE:Devilock I'm sorry, but I for one do not like cover bands. If the Misfits were a cover band we never would have got to hear any of their tunes. Perhaps they would never have been heard outside of Lodi. I think that a few covers in moderation is acceptable, however basing your musical existence on another band is ridiculous. I for one would never pay to see a cover band. By law, a cover band is expected to pay royalties to the original artists who own the rights to the music that is being played. That means that a portion of the cover or the bar, must be forwarded to Glenn Danzig for the rights of the use of the song. Those official Kiss cover bands have to do this. If you are at all familiar with the regulations of organizations such as ASCAP or SOCAN you must comply to send royalties to the artists. You will notice that at the end of every Danzig album it wil say c199_ Evilive/ASCAP or something to that matter. By belonging to this organization (ASCAP) the band is entitled to a portion of the performer of their music's profits from a show, recording or broadcast of the music. I doubt that Devilock does this and I only give credit to cover bands who do. Even the name of the band is subject to royalty. Hypothetically Devilock will never be contacted by the band unless huge profits rake in. Until then any profits from the shows they play are coming out of the band's pockets. Cover bands not only are unoriginal musically but are also illegal by most standards under copyright law. I would rather go see an original band that is trying hard to get their own music heard, and has the energy of the Misfits, than see another band dress like them and try to re-hash their songs. This is why they do not get my support. Craig Walters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: rage... If you want another interesting take on Rage Against the Machine (and why ideologically and integrity wise I think they're bankrupt) go back and listen the old California band Inside Out's 7". It has Zack pre RATM on vocals and he sounds suspiciously less hip hop. I also have the Inside Out / Youth of Today bootleg 7" which has a bunch of live songs and Zack isn't going "yo yo yo..." As a matter of fact he speaks with a normal accent, not some fake rap one. Inside Out was more revolutionary than RATM will ever be, true change needs to occur in the mindset of the people, in their spirituality... Dempz Gregjaw? Not Greg from Kurbjaw, is it? ------------------------------ From: evan obrien Subject: Chiller con/1st show - finally! Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:26:22 -0500 (EST) hi everyone, sorry for the immense wait on getting this info out to you all out there. ok, to begin with, the chiller convention was pretty interesting. i am not really into model building or horror movies about beautiful girls getting their heads chopped off, but it was uniquely intriging to walk through an ocean of stuff related to this. anyways, after walking through all the crowds and getting upstairs, i got to the misfits area. it was just as EVB and mark had described it last year, with the tombstones and whole setup and all. there were stones for jerry and doyle, and old horror movie stars. my friend joked there should have been a large one in the center with glenn's name on it. they had electric chairs where you could sit with jerry and doyle to get your photo taken. outside were the new t-shirts and models of the earth ad cover and jerry. the earth ad looked pretty neat (minus the band logo) and the jerry replica model was an exact copy of what he looks like onstage. when i walked over to jerry, i introduced myself, not really knowing what to expect, but knowing that he is pretty cool in person from what people had mentioned on the bible in the past. i told him i'd be at the show the next night in poughkeepsie to see them. (this was at the chance, in poughkeepsie, NY, oct 30th with type o negative, lycia & electric hellfire club) he seemed happy to see that someone he had met was going to be at that show. i ended up giving him directions on how to get there, which i thought was kinda funny and cool. (Me, giving these guys directions to a show they were playing!) i chatted with him a bit and found out i had just missed mark, who was around somewhere, and that EVB left saturday. i kinda wished we had made arrangements to meet somewhere. chud noticed my misfits shirt and asked me about where i got it, cause he had never seen it before. he was not really too familiar with the bible, and my questions about where the other bible members had been fell short. it turns out my misfits shirt is a bootleg. i do not mind, though, cause it's unique and i like it. it is a white shirt and has the fiend club logo in black on the front and the misfits logo in red with a stripe of yellow going through it on the back. anyhow, chud was nice and gave me a tape of his other band sacred trash. (by the way, i got the shirt at a flea market last year, so i do not think i can find any more for you fiends out there) doyle was kinda busy, so i did not get a chance to talk to him, but i do not think he is too talkative from the way he acted. before i left, jerry invited me to the soundcheck the next day. i figured this would be really cool, so i gladly accepted and took off. i must add, jerry and doyle do not look like they have aged a bit. they were in full uniform, and looked exactly as they did in '83! the next day, i headed to the chance. i didn't see jerry or doyle anywhere in sight. i went up to this guy with some equipment to ask him where they were, and before i spoke a word, he said hi and shook my hand! it was jerry, out of uniform, in sweats! i was surprised and kinda laughed to myself, realizing i could never identify them outside of costume. it was funny and weird, because for all these years i visualized them in those dark outfits and makeup...anyway, jerry was really cool, and said that soundcheck would start within the hour. i introduced him to my friends who i'd brought down with me, and he encouraged us to relax up in the balcony. after a little while, chud came up and talked to us and hung out a bit. he said it looked like soundcheck was going to get postponed for awhile, because the other band had yet to show up and the misfits were going to be using their equipment. i went downstairs and chatted with jerry, seeing that nothing was going on. it turns out soundcheck was cancelled, because the other band called and they were an hour behind schedule. before we left, jerry showed me the prototype of his new bass, which was amazing! it was graphite, and very unique. the neck and pickups were all one piece, kinda like a steinberger bass (if u have ever seen one) and the rest of the body is spider-like. altogether it looks a bit like one of those old BC Rich basses with the jagged edges that were really popular in the late eighties. the thing that makes this unique is that the bass is like one long graphite bar, and the rest of the body bolts on, so what jerry can do is smash the bass around, and the plastic pieces of the bolt-on body will fly apart, but the graphite main body remains intact. sound cool? it is. it is also a hell of a lot lighter than his old one, which is also pretty cool. he was very friendly and let us all check it out. he said there were gonna be some changes in it, but this is what it should look like when he's got it all finalized. around that point, we said farewell and took off, kinda sorry we didn't see them do the soundcheck, but happy to have been there to hang out regardless. i had brought my videocamera to the soundcheck & i was hoping to tape it, which is a real shame... the next day i went down to the show with my friend mike, and had my camera in hand. one thing i had spoken to jerry about was videotaping, which he was cool with, as long as the band got a copy. it turns out the misfits were cool with it, but the bouncers outside had different orders. i wasn't allowed to bring the camera in. boo hoo. well, don't say i didn't try! it turns out that someone else in there did have a camera, so eventually we will see a copy of the show somewhere...(but i don't know when) the guys came on about an hour into type o's performance, and put on an unbelievably energetic performance. jerry looked like a tiger waiting to attack, and doyle looked awesome. they came out in all their unbridled glory and played with mike and the guitarist from type o singing. unfortunately, (because of the lack of sound check) the sound was all over the place. i knew the songs, but they just sounded a bit off. it was still intense. i really wish more misfits fans were there, cause the testosterone dickhappy jocks who were there just didn't know what to make of it. all too quickly, the guys finished their 3 songs & exited the stage. after the show, i ran into an ecstatic jerry (he is always really cool to everyone!) who gave mike and i copies of the collection II cd and gladly autographed them. they talked to many fans and posed for pictures, all the while mentioning how they were going to be at coney island high the next night playing more songs. it was great. since the show, i got in touch with the guy who taped at coney island high the next night. i happen to know him from the city. he said they played roughly a half hour worth of music. he isn't exactly ready to start distrbuting copies of the show yet, because he is kinda scared at the fact that he has got some potentially valuable material on his hands. i am hoping to get a copy of the show as soon as possible. we'll see. as soon as i know anything, the bible will hear about it. anyway, i hope you all enjoyed this and get to meet jerry someday too. he is a good guy. by the way, if you ever see a video bootleg of type o negative at the chance, poughkeepsie, ny, oct 30th, 1995 - GET IT! this is the show to look out for, and i know it will be floating around out there sometime soon... in the meantime, all i can do is hope to get the other show from my friend in NYC. evan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 11:53:03 EST From: "\\A corpse" Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Well here's my two cents on the new stuff on the web page. Personally I think it's great!!!. It brought back memories of Halloween and the excitment that I had going to see the Misfits. The only thing that was kind of dissapointing was the size of the new pictures I know that they weren't professional shots but I do wish that they could have been a little bit larger. To Michael Graves: If you want pluses and minuses of the preformance E-Mail me and I give you a through review of the Coney Island Show. HUMANS HELD BY EATING FLESH IT'S MY DESTINY. -Mozzer ------------------------------ From: Stewart Gallacher <9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: INTERVIEW Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:15:19 +0000 (GMT) Here's an interview with Glenn Danzig from a Glasgow radio station which was broadcast in early September of 1992. The interviewer's name is Tom Russel from Clyde 1 radio. TR:Talking about the Barrowlands a week or so back was a big gig there with Glenn Danzig, and the band Danzig played there after originally being booked into the Mayfair. We recorded an interview with Glenn and we asked him firstly why the change of venue? GD:The Mayfair we couldn't get our equipment truck round the back and we couldn't perform on the stage- it was too small; we couldn't get get our amps in and we couldn't get our lighting rig in. It was just... Whoever booked us into the Mayfair didn't really think very well in advance- it was too small. Because we moved to the Barrowlands we were able to let a lot more people in...so that was good. TR:I would have thought that was the sort of thing which should have been arranged weeks in advance rather than on the afternoon of the gig? GD:Me too!!! TR:Let's take a break now Glenn and have a listen to one of the tracks off the new album. This is in fact the opening track and we'll talk talk about it afterwards if that's O.K.- Godless... (PLAYS GODLESS-ALBUM VERSION) TR:Danzig- from the third album- that's the opening track- Godless. Glenn Danzig: singer, producer, writer of the track is our guest on Clyde 1 tonight GD:You forgot killer!!! TR:Serial killer?(!!) GD:No!!! TR:There's a guy called bible John that I'd like you to read about! GD:Yeah, O.K.! TR:Godless, em..."Spread your tentacles of hate around my life".. Deep sort of subject. GD:That's basically the smothering feeling, of whatever religeon is.. just trying to smother the life out of you with their hippocracy or whatever...Basically Godless is about the frustration I see that a lot of people in America or even here in Europe are having with arranged religeon- especially with Christianity and maybe even the Muslim religeons. TR:You were brought up as a Christian? GD:Yeah, my dad is Protestant and my mom is a Catholic. TR:And at some stage in your upbringing you... GD:No, i wasn't brought up real strict Christian at all. There was no forcing religeon down my throat or anything like that. Early on it was quite clear that of course my mom being Catholic would like for us to always go to church and stuff...but my dad really didn't, you know, didn't really care...as long as we had an early religeous education that's all I think that mattered to him. TR:So in that song...it's not so much Christianity that you're singing against or writing against...it's more Jimmy Swaggert type of thing? GD:Well, that's Christianity. The Baptists are Christians just like the Catholics are. I think the Baptists and the Christians are the main culprits...I mean it's clearly about more than just that, but I think also the Muslims are starting to get very oppressive with their people, but it seems like the people don't mind so much in Muslim religeon whereas I think a lot of people in the Christian religeons do mind- they're not happy...I mean there are a lot of atheists in America now- I don't know about here in Europe. TR:Are you an atheist? GD:No. I don't know if what I believe in you could call God...because I also believe in myself very strongly too, so...I wouldn't say that my beliefs are traditional at all...very far from it. (PLAYS DIRTY BLACK SUMMER-ALBUM VERSION) TR:That's the debut single from Danzig...it's taken them three albums to get it out. It's called Dirty Black Summer, it's from Danzig 3- How the Gods Kill. Glenn is our guest on Clyde tonight... I was reading somewhere in one of your interviews in one of the magazines where Hitler was mentioned and something that I wasn't aware of, you suggest that Hitler was actually a Satanist. Is that documented, is that true? GD:Yeah!!! TR:I didn't know that!!! GD:Well not so much a Satanist as very into the occult...and the Spear of Destiny which Hitler was supposed to have owned and he sent lots of missions... TR:(Interupts)What's the spear of destiny? Sorry... GD:The spear that pierced the side of Christ while he was on the cross. Its' supposed to have magical powers...whoever held it would able to fulfil any kind of destiny they want and would become very powerful. Hitler regularly sent out expeditions to find these occult artefacts and in the beginning of Hitler's reign he had a group that was called the Lords of the Left Hand... and then there was a guy named Haushofer who was his spiritualist who he could collaborate with, and this guy basically devised his war plans for him and when to attack...when the right time to attack was, how to approach things of this nature... and even more detailed I have a book called "The Occult Roots of Nazism" which explains all this. Eventually, I would say early to mid-on in the Nazi campaign, lots of people in Hitler's organisation were very jealous of other people who had power with Hitler, and turned Hitler against these people- one of these people being Haushofer, another one was Rommel- people in the third Reich were jealous of these people and the frienship they had and the trust that Hitler had with these people...and so people in the Third Reich turned Hitler against these people which eventually led to his downfall...and the two main people are Haushofer, his occultist guy...once this guy was gone, their campaign started to... become disasterous and also losing Rommel was a big, big, big disaster for him. (PLAYS HEART OF THE DEVIL-ALBUM VERSION) TR:When you were a boy- we talked about your reading- but on a lighter note, when you were a wee boy what were you buying albums-wise, or stealing? Black Sabbath albums? Deep Purple albums? GD:Black Sabbath was the first band I saw live. Yeah, they were not as good as on record but they were still good- it was with Ozzy, you know, so it was still Black Sabbath. To me Black Sabbath without Ozzy is not Black Sabbath- it's just not. And so, yeah bands like that... I've always like Elvis, even when I was a little kid, his voice you know...of course, he's put a lot of crap albums out, but he's done a lot of good work too, so... TR:An era of Glenn Danzig that I certainly wasn't into...I was never a punk, personally. There were some punks there at the Barrowlands on Friday night... GD:The Misfits and Samhain never had just a punk audience. Especially Samhain...Samhain was a very like grungey, kind of metal...it was a cross between punk and metal- both bands. Samhain actually more like a death kind of metal and punk thing...you know. And Danzig now, just even more. TR:One question just to finush it Glenn,and that's about the occult and young people- would you warn young people about getting involve in the occult? GD:As opposed to getting involved in a religeon that would want you to...? No, i wouldn't...whatever they want to get involved in is their business and it's nobody else's business. As with any religeon, Catholic, or Satanic or whatever religeon they get invoved in, you know, the Muslim religeon, whatever...use your head. TR:Glenn Danzig- thanks for talking to us tonight on Clyde and all the best. GD:You too, take care. (PLAYS HOW THE GODS KILL-ALBUM VERSION) *************************************************************************** To change subject a bit check out a book called "Punk and the Pop Narcotic". If you look at one of the appendixes at the back you'll find a reproduction of a handwritten note by Glenn Danzig on the distribution of the early Misfits 7" singles- it must have been written about 1981. Also, there is a fanzine out it Tower Records at the moment with an interview with Howie who was present at the party the night Sid Vicious died. He talks about how Jerry Only was there and how since Jerry had the Misfits logo on the back of his leather jacket, this provided some publicity for the Misfits. I can't remember the title of the 'zine, but I'll have another check and let you know- if you're looking for it, it's got a green cover. I got the new Ugly Things (#14) in the mail this morning- it features a 2 page piece on Jerry and Doyle plus a colour flyer on new Misfits merchandise. Anyone else who is interesting in trading Misfits/Samhain/Danzig tapes please feel free to contact me at the address below. I was pleased to hear from Caroline that the Misfits box set should contain a lot of unreleased stuff- I for one will definitely be looking forward to this in the new year. FROM:- Stewart Gallacher E-MAIL:-9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk P.S. sorry for any typing errors in the above interview!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:38:46 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Glenn Danzig/Verotika >store in oklahoma was charged w/ 8 counts of distributing obscene materials and >one of those being Glenn's Verotika#4. In a phone interview Danzig said that >he was taking no steps to aid in the stores defense. Verotik will not donate >any money to the comic book legal defense fund, nor will Danzig appear in court >to defend his publications. Glenn Danzig is swine. Every comic store in the world should stop stocking his books immediately. He is a coward and a money-grubbing maggot. Basically he seems to be saying: "I will take advantage of your distribution network to move my product, but I will let them hang you out to dry if my product gets you in trouble." The end result will be that no one will want to carry Glenn's comics, and he will lose much more money in lost revenues than he ever would have donated to the CBLDF... especially if there are convictions in the OK case. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: Chicken Subject: Misfits posters for sale My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. You can contact her through me at . Just write Posters in the subject line. -chicken ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: A cool conversation Me and my drummer (Dead 32, man!) Justin had a cool conversation this weekend on the phone. It was something like this: Him: "Hello?" Me: "Yeah Bobby? This is Jerry, uhh there's no practise today." Him: "Why not?" Me: "Glenn's sick again." Him: "Again?" Me: "Yeah, so don't bother to come over." Him: "Well I didn't feel like it anyway" Me: "Dat's what I figgerd'" Him: "What's that supposed to mean?" Me: "Nuttin'" Him: "You got Doyle over there don't you, I can hear him!" Me: "Look! I said there's no practice today!" Him: "Up yours!" Me: "Fuck you!" click. It was cool. When I called back I said he was an asshole-fuckin'-cunt. We drew some cool cartoons of the Misfits ambushing and beating Glenn, too. We draw Jerry as the spiked superhero: "The Only-Slayer" Sean M. -------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:18:40 -0500 From: She Subject: POSTER CONTEST Okay, here are the answers to the poster contest questions: 1) Who was subscriber #138 to the Misfits Bible? A: Sudama Rice (this could be found on the page in a back issue) 2) What was Glenn Danzig's ambition after high school? A: To go to trade school (this was also mentioned in a back issue) 3) What is the name of the guitarist of Type O Negative? A: Kenny Hickey (this was added to the page later) 4) What is Doyle's favorite football team? A: The Giants 5) What was Jerry's number on the Lodi High School football team? A: 16 (nobody got this one) 6) How old is Mike Graves, the new vocalist? A: 20 years old (one person guessed correctly) 7) What size shoe did Glenn wear in 1990? A: 9 to 9.5 (this is on the page in the Danzig discography) 8) How did Jerry get his first bass guitar? A: Christmas present 1976 (this could be found in Ugly Things #12) 9) Who taught Franche' Coma how to play guitar? A: Ashley Morance (nobody got this for obvious reasons) 10) What Undead song did Bobby write for The Misfits? A: When The Evening Comes (All you had to do for this one was guess an early Undead song. Too many people guessed RATT FINK, even though it's made clear on the page several times that this song was an Allan Sherman song, not a Misfits or Undead song. Nobody got this although there were some good guesses.) Poster winners (all 14 of the people who responded) 6: ddebij@aol.com spwst5+@pitt.edu ujccurry@msuvx1.memphis.edu 5: pmack@shore.net flasters@pilot.msu.edu holister@summit.tminet.com 4: anp@po.cwru.edu dgreco@artsu1.watsar.uwaterloo.ca jbiniek@hawk.depaul.edu wtm108@psu.edu mark@rags.demon.co.uk 3: bile666@aol.com kriney@hartford.edu 0: zoinks@CyberGate.COM I actually expected more responses, and more correct answers. Just by looking at the page you could have gotten a 4. Anyone who's on that list, please respond to me and let me know if you still want a poster. CG is right, we do have an apathetic group. You're are lucky that Jake Starr and EVB didn't have to compete for these posters. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to give them to everyone who tried. mark ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: 1 2 0 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:43:34 -0500 (EST) > From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:20:39 -0600 (CST) > Subject: she,comics/politics,collectionII > > A few thing about Collection II, Since my copy has no lyrics to Mephisto > Waltz, and that same"nonstandard latin" phrase, did Caroline pull the lyrics > off the page? Has the songwriters copywrite or what ever run out onRATTFINK > since Danzig is listed as writting all the songs? Which nonstandard latin phrase are you talking about? I guess I'll have to see Collection II and then I'll know. Yes it's true, I don't have my copy yet. None of the stores down here have it, and Jerry never gave me one.... sob sob.... I don't know what the story is on Rat Fink. The Misfits version is a bit different than Allan Sherman's version, but not by much. Maybe Glenn thought that since he changed a few of the words, he could take credit for the song. Bobby Steele also claims song-writing credits for "Act Your Rage!", an album that also features Rat Fink. > From: satan@ns1.relex.relex.com > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:10:24 +0500 > Subject: We are 138!!!!! > > Misfits fans and that makes it hard to get Misfits stuff. I went through > blood and sweat to get this Evilive tape, and then I found the CD. I'll You found what CD? Evilive? That doesn't exist, unless you're talking about the German Wolfsblood/Evilive compilation CD which doesn't include the full Evilive album. > ANyways, I was wondering if anyone knew where I can get a complete > listing of everyshow the Misfits played. I have one for Danzig but I > don't have one for the Misfits or Samhain. If anyone can help me out... And where did you get this full Danzig listing? As far as I know, I"m the only who has ever compiled such a thing, and it's sitting right on my home page along with the Misfits and Samhain tour lists. None of them (including the Danzig list) are complete yet. Once again everybody, READ THE PAGE. > From: Osito666@aol.com > > About "Mephisto Waltz" not being a Misfits song: Maybe, after Glenn and > Jerry broke up, Glenn still thought to call his band the Misfits. That band > (probably the first Samhain line-up) recorded "Mephisto Waltz" and Glenn > still thinks of it as a Misfits song. I think he's entitled. He was an > original member. Whether or not you THINK he's entitled to do so, doesn't matter. It's not something he legally should have been allowed to do. Opinions don't matter, everybody. Glenn is not and was not the Misfits. Unlike with Danzig and Samhain, the Misfits were a band. A band. If you look at old Misfits interviews, about half were done with Jerry and half with Glenn. Some were even done as full band interviews. This in general was not the case towards the end of Samhain or in Danzig at all. > "We Are 138" sounds slower than the version I have on the Bullet 7" and the > guitar solo seems to have a different ending. Is it the Beware version? The Beware version is the same as the Bullet version is the same as the Static Age version is the same as the Collection II version. They may have been taken from different copies of the same master tape, but that's about the only difference. Again, this question could have easily been answered by looking at the discography on the page. > I really like the way "Cough/Cool" sounds. It could be a version Danzig did > on his own after the original and before the break-up. I might have a > problem with it if he was trying to pass it off as the original, but since > he's not, I don't. Oh yes, many many years after the band broke up, no doubt.... > From: KENNEY@salem.wvnet.edu > In two of the past bibles there has been mention of a > misfits comic book. I remember in one of them EVB was > talking about it and said something about the artist being > from Pittsburgh and the artwork was all cartoony with These will never be released. The comic book was cancelled when Glenn wouldn't approve it. > The infamous Brett Fama said: > > Lestat: Glenn definitely did all vocals for Samhain and Danzig, but I'm > not sure if he did for the Misfits as well. Does anyone know for sure? > (Mark?) In some cases, it seems his voice is in there more than once, but > it's hard to tell if it wasn't the others soemtimes doing (some) backups. > In the Misfits Book it says Franche' and Glenn both did backups on > 'Return of the Fly" and "Attitude", so this might imply that these were > just occasions when Glenn didn't do the backups alone. What does > everyone else think? Did Jerry ever tell you that he or the other > sometimes sang backups in the studio Mark? In the early days, Franche' and Glenn did back up vocals, and then later when Jerry was over his 'shyness' as Franche' called it, he started doing backups too. So some of that stuff on Walk Among Us features Jerry's voice. Another obvious one is Queen Wasp off of EAD. And what are you saying about Danzig? Listen to "Tired Of Being Alive" and "It's Coming Down". You'll hear Eerie and John pretty clearly during the choruses - "I'm on fire and a need a hole" from "It's Coming Down" and several parts from "Tired Of Being Alive". > From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu > other stores have a clue about it. is static age still going to be released? > ------------------------mark YES! In the box set in February. Look at the page. > From: BT5211 > > page that you put in. I happen to be a huge Fugazi fan as well as a > Misfits fan. Do you by any chance listen to Minuitemen or fIREHOSE? > An does anyone know if Fugazi will be touring in the UK? I can't > find any dates past November. I don't listen to Minutemen or Firehose, so I can't help you there. Fugazi toured Europe for about a month and a half, ending in mid-July, so I don't expect their return any time soon. As far as I know, they haven't come up with any dates after the 10 or so in November that are listed on their page. > One other thing. I noticed that most of the people in the bible are > in the east of the US. I live out west and I don't know that many > fiends. The misfits actually aren't that popular. Punk bands like > the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Minor Threat, and Bad Religion are much > more well known. Is this the case back east? Minor Threat, yes, but those other bands.... not really with the people I know. > When will collection 2 be released in the UK and will the Misfits > come to Europe? During the convention I overheard something about the band going to Europe next year, in May. Not to get your hopes up or anything. I don't know exactly where they were talking about, so I'm probably wrong. mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:02 -0800 From: tom@noif.ncp.bc.ca (Tom Spence) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 It's cool to be back after 'round 6 months of nothing... I got better access and now I can look at The Pit with Netscape (not just text)! It kicks ass! I took a look at the concert photos and they look cool too. Pictures and videos are probably the only way I'll ever see the 'fits live because I kind of doubt they'll ever come to west coast Canada. So what's the deal with the Fiend Club? I've sent about 3 letters and I haven't gotten any acknowledgement or nothin'. No letter or catalogue or shit! They have a new address or what? Did anyone else get into Samhain, Misfits and Danzig before realizing that Glenn sang for them all? I got into Misfits then Danzig then Samhain. One of my friends thought that the Misfits singer sounded like the guy from 411 (Dan O'Mahoney?) and another friend had a (crazy at the time) idea that the singer for the Misfits sounded like Glenn. I found out he sang for all of them when I read a review for HTGK in a Transworld Skateboarding mag... Now I don't see how I could have been so stupid! Still don't have collection II and I think I'm gonna have to special order it... Local tape stores suck. Tom......................................................................... ....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:43:57 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost "B.M. Fama" wrote: >Lestat: Glenn definitely did all vocals for Samhain and Danzig, but I'm >not sure if he did for the Misfits as well. Does anyone know for sure? >(Mark?) In some cases, it seems his voice is in there more than once, but >it's hard to tell if it wasn't the others soemtimes doing (some) backups. >In the Misfits Book it says Franche' and Glenn both did backups on >'Return of the Fly" and "Attitude", so this might imply that these were >just occasions when Glenn didn't do the backups alone. What does >everyone else think? Did Jerry ever tell you that he or the other >sometimes sang backups in the studio Mark? According to my records these are the backing vocal lineups for the following tunes. These are from my same dependable source don't blame me if you disagree. All hell Breaks.. - Jerry AngelFuck - Jerry (Live?) Attitude - Jerry Astrozombies - Jerry Bloodfeast - Jerry Braineaters - Jerry & Doyle Children in heat - Jerry Death come Ripping - Jerry & Doyle Demonomania - Jerry Devilswhorehouse - Jerry & Doyle Devilock - Jerry Die Die.... - Jerry & Doyle Earth A.D. - Jerry & Doyle Ghouls Night out - Jerry & Doyle Green Hell - Jerry & Doyle Halloween I - Jerry & Doyle Halloween II - Jerry does the "Monster" vocals Hate Breeders - Jerry & Doyle Hell Hound - Jerry & Doyle Hollywood Babylon - Jerry & Franche btw: Jerry & Franche Wrote the E-G Riff Horror Biz - Jerry I Turned into.... - Jerry & Doyle Last Caress - Jerry London Dungeon - Jerry & Doyle Mommy...... - Jerry & Doyle Night of the liv.. - Jerry & Doyle Nike - Jerry & Doyle Queen Wasp - Jerry & Doyle Return of the Fly - Jerry the next 6 tunes are ripped out of my notebook will try to figure them out -- they are the next 6 alpha order I know the line ups just the titles are missing T.V. Casualty - Jerry 20 Eyes - Jerry & Doyle Vampira - Jerry & Doyle Violent World - Jerry & Doyle We R 138 - Jerry & Franche We Bite - Jerry & Doyle Where Eagles Dare - Jerry Who Killed Marylyn - Jerry & Doyle %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% * A writer is like a gypsy. He owes no allegiance to any government.% % If he is a good writer he will never like the government he lives * * under. His hand should be against it, and its hand will always % % be against him. -- Ernest Hemingway * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:03:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Bryan M. Gruda" Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 I STILL HAVEN'T RECIVED COLLECTION II AND I'M STARTING TO GET PISSED! ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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Collection II Review..What stinks? Rat Fink Take a wild guess THX1138 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Fama Subject: vocals Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 1:48:17 EST Hey Mark and CG, thanks for the responses to my backup vocals question; I can easily see how the others did them on WAU etc. ****BUT**** Mark, unless you are speaking of Danzig live performances, there is NO WAY that is Eerie and John in the songs you mentioned. Okay MAYBE (BIG maybe) they could be on "Tired of Being Alive", since there are several voices and it's harder to tell, (though I still believe it's ALL Glenn), but on "It's Coming Down" IT IS MOST POSITIVELY, DEFINITELY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER *Glenn Anzalone born 6/23/55 (or 59 if you prefer) from Lodi, NJ, who led The Misfits, then Samhain...(you get the picture by now) singing the line "I'm on fire..." ALONE. If you meant to say otherwise, Mark, I have to disagree with you VERY ADAMANTLY. Also, just on the fact alone that Glenn does all voices on the other songs (excl. Hetfield on Twist of Cain etc), I don't see why Eerie and John would do "Tired..." Not to cause any trouble, but Glenn himself could tell me that it's not him on backups for "It's Coming Down" and I wouldn't believe him, so I must disagree with you on this point. I know I don't have to even suggest that you listen to the songs, as doubtless you've heard them a million times, but... -Brett . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" Subject: stuff Fiends, Collection II is pretty cool, but yet I have mixed feelings about it as has been continually assessed. My question: Does anyone know who is modeling as the Crimson Ghost on the Collection II cover, or is it just art? Just Wondering... fiendishly, nate ------------------------------ From: Andreas Viehoff/SYBASE Date: 16 Nov 95 13:20:16 EDT Subject: Collection II, Halloween, Politics, Posters Hi all, I just wanted to make some comments on the past bibles: COLLECTION II: We havent got it here in Europe(Germany) by now and this kinda pisses me off, but what the f***. We had to wait about two months for 4p to get released over here. HALLOWEEN: Well, what can I say. Some of you had the chance to see the MISFITS play live!!!! Whatever the circumstances have been like, dont forget that youve been f**n privileged. Who knows when we will have the chance to see m somewhere around here. BTW, thanks to all those that told us on the Bible what it was like to be there or to hang out with the guys....(that means you Mark and Evan). CRIMSON GHOST/POLITICS: In my opinion this is exactly what the Bible should be like: Discussing such stuff (related, somehow). My opinion: Bands dont start with what they do in order to make lots of money. They start for fun, or cause they got something to say. If they earn money, fine with me, if they earn lots of money, so what? I guess that some bands out there really never realized what they were doing, signing with Sony or Warner...They just got a contract! Great! Sign it! Put out albums. Keep us much of your independance as possible. This works for some people, GnR (now, thats what I call a SELLOUT, though, they did not put out an official live album....by now), but it does not work for all of them: they go into a different directions = Pearl Jam, they split up = Sex Pistols, or they blow their heads off = Kurt Cobain/Ian Curtis(Joy Division). Before I completely lose what my opinion was: I dont care how much money they earn, as long as I like what they are doing, as long as they like what they are doing, its ok for me. And if there is some sort of message in their songs, its still important if they earn money, its even more important if millions of people listen to it or see it on MTV. POSTERS/COMPETITION: I wanted to enter, but as always, i was to slow. Sure I would love to have one of those posters, as we dont get to see much Misfits stuff here, but: I dont want you to post it to Germany. I dont know how expensive that would be. COVER BANDS: Its fun to see a good one on stage, its boring to listen to a recording. I wish there was a band here in Germany that covered the Misfits. A live show, even a cover show is always something else than listening to a CD.... BTW, how many fiends from europe are on this list: Stand up, say HI and introduce yourself. Thats all for now, sorry fiends, for this extremely long post, but anyway.... THANKS Mark (from all of us, I guess) (I have not said that before) ;-), A. "I will never excuse for asking a stupid question" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) From: eRiC sNoOk Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #121 > > From: Osito666@aol.com > > "We Are 138" sounds slower than the version I have on the Bullet 7" and the > > guitar solo seems to have a different ending. Is it the Beware version? > > mark replied with: > The Beware version is the same as the Bullet version is the same as > the Static Age version is the same as the Collection II version. They > may have been taken from different copies of the same master tape, but > that's about the only difference. Again, this question could have > easily been answered by looking at the discography on the page. Bingo! That's right. However, there are some BULLET bootlegs that are floating around that are waaaaay too fast. I have a copy [yes, I bought bootlegs!] and they were recorded at 33 rpm instead of 33 1/3 or vice versa [so I'm an idiot!] and the result is that it is way faster. Put a half dollar or something similar on the label and that should slow it down. This could be where the confusion is coming from. > > I really like the way "Cough/Cool" sounds. It could be a version Danzig did > > on his own after the original and before the break-up. I might have a > > problem with it if he was trying to pass it off as the original, but since > > he's not, I don't. > > Oh yes, many many years after the band broke up, no doubt.... In my opinion, cira 1995... On a side note: When I mentioned that the WAU tracks sounded like Black Flag, that as before that I noticed Spot helped with Collection II. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Black Flag fan (esp. Keith Morris!) but when I want Black Flag, I play Black Flag. When I want Misfits, I play Misfits. To all the people who like Collection II: Hey! I said go out and buy it. I didn't say it was a turd, but it was a let down. It could have been infinitely better, and probably EASIER to do. I mean I think putting a master on a CD is a bit easier than REMIXING, RE-VOCALIZING, and RE-DUBBING the whole frickin' thing! The way this album is presented isn't a remix albm (like a Dance/Club mix... I can see it now, Teenagers >From Mars - Kiddie Angst Mix or All Hell Breaks Loose -Armageddeon Dub) but as a COLLECTION [II]. Even K-Tel always boasts "20 Original Songs, by the original artists!" and not "Revamped Stuff that you don't know when it was recorded or with who!" So maybe I'm being tuff on Collection II. The only reason is that it could have been better. Collection II is better than nothing, but I'm still hangin' on to my 7"s! .,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+' Eric Snook University of Michigan snook@umich.edu `'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,. ------------------------------ From: She Subject: 121 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:11:35 -0500 (EST) > From: MR MAURICIO NUNEZ > cough/cool was really great. Same with Mephisto Waltz. And if Glenn > wants Mephisto Waltz to be known as a Misfits song, then is a Misfits. > Remember Glenn Nope. > Subject: Misfits posters for sale > > My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static > Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. > You can contact her through me at . Just write > Posters in the subject line. Just a reminder to everybody. Before you go out and pay big bucks for posters that were meant to be ****FREE**** remember that Caroline still has many many thousands more and they will go out sometime. You shouldn't have to pay more than the postage price for these things. > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:02 -0800 > From: tom@noif.ncp.bc.ca (Tom Spence) > Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 > > So what's the deal with the Fiend Club? I've sent about 3 letters and I > haven't gotten any acknowledgement or nothin'. No letter or catalogue or > shit! They have a new address or what? It's all in the back issues and actually on the page. The Fiend Club is currently re-organzing and preparing for mass mailings. The only thing they have that's similar to a catalog is the order form on the page, and they just printed those up recently. Be patient everyone. IT wasn't even until last month that they decided on a singer. They have a LOT of stuff on their minds, and they do all the fan club stuff right now personally. Everything you send to the P.O. Box 310 address will be opened and read by Jerry and/or the rest of the band. mark ------------------------------ From: Opus Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:45:26 +0000 Subject: My two cents... Well, this is my first entry to this, so I thought that I would introduce myself. I am from Denver, Colorado and have been a large Misfits fan from the sixth grade. Yes, sixth. My brother introduced me to the band that year, and I have loved them ever since. Needless to say, I learned to appriciate their music a hell of a lot more as I got older. Someone in issue #121 mention that he/she was from the west, and stated that the misfits were not as popular. I guess it just depends on who you know. A lot of my friends are Fiends along with myself. If you are from Colorado, let me know. Other bands I like include Minor Threat, Fugazi, Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Operation Ivy, Rancid, and others. I have to say that I am still a little leary about the return of the Misfits, mainly because I have yet to hear them as they are now. I am still wondering if the Misfits were a great thing 15 years ago, and something that we can still enjoy on the old turn table. The Misfits kicked ass in their day, but is their day gone, or was it on haitatus for 15 years. I have no problem with them playing their old stuff, it was good material (although I want to know if the new singer is good), but I want to know if they can release new material, and have it as good as the Misfits of the late 70's and early 80's. I hope so! Michael Cahill "Opus" evil never dies... ------------------------------ From: satan@relex.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:55:40 +0500 Subject: Cool stuff here! Hey everybody. Call this number!!! 1-800-637-9239 And ask for a catalog!!! they have cool Misfits stuff. They have EVILIVE on CD!!! They sold out right now but they said they should be gettin more in in a week! They also have NOTLD on CD, Earth AD, and more! They have cool shirts, Misfits winter hats! It's a cool place and everyone should check it out! Call this damn number! Also, I am having trouble finding Collection II!!! I can't find it anywhere. Did they not make a real lot of them or what? ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:36:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Farewell, Fiends Well, this is it for me. BOOTED out of school! No loans--no stay!@ Had a great time over the last year and a half! Hope I can get a computer so I can someday join back in the fun. Well at least I got the good old audios to hear, and can do Dead 32 full time. See ya!~ Sean M Sean M Sean M Sean M! BYE Ps. Where is EVB?? ------------------------------ From: REAGANPR@vax1.acs.jmu.edu Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:00:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: NYC photos Hey Fiends! Sorry that I didn't post anything for thursday's bible, but the e-mail systems are down here. Alright, I have orders from the following people: 1. Stewart Gallacher 2. Goat 3. Evan Obrien 4. EVB 5. Ellie Piper 6. Paul Holstein 7. Jon Holford 8. Michelle Lussier I have yet to get postage prices for the picures as well as prices for photocopies. But the prices for color reprints are as follows: 5x7 reprints........$2.19 each 8x10 reprints..........$3.99 each All prices include tax. If you have expressed a desire to trade or pay for the pictures I can give you a list of all the good pictures I have. Off the top of my head these are some good ones: 1. Bobby Steele and myself before the halloween party 2. pic of the whole band in action 3. pic of Sal B. singing w/ the whole band Just e-mail me for details, and I'll be sure to get the prices for photocopies and postage as well as a list of all the decent photos. pat. ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:43:19 -0500 (EST) ~ . ~ ~: '\ L U! <> .!> .=` > `x. ..u ?. ....... `` ) !l@X!Eiue@E"````^"""-. :><.u:==*~""^^~+. > : . .: .:.X+~ 4+XT@W?B$NR@Z+>!$$> !$-+* `Q$W%!XX!$dT$\E@Hf '""#!*Z@**` 4~: .U@*tx :9*" `~**6*l$!#` ' " ::>Xcd#` #s/tbuu. :"` . udWW$l6dFd" . . 4*c"$#6@W!bu.. .d$W$$6UWXT$@E :kb: t#%x``%!#X*$$Nu "*$$$"``4$$$T$KT$N4LL.)uu?Nc`M~~7$$$$# """ "$B$$$W$NX***TZT*L$> `**" !@$*9$$$*@"99&*%M*d~ :$b#Z#Uh$'W!bX)H97* `W2*%L#"E # 9"S~WK `$> ` " $" " /" SSSSSSS SSSSSSSSS NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMM MMMM HHH HHH NNNNN NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMM MMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAA IIII NNNNN NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMMM MMMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAA IIII NNNNN NNN SSSS AAAA AAA MMMMM MMMMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAA IIII NNNNNN NN SSSS AAA AA MMMMMM MMMMMMM HHH HHH AAAA AAA IIII NNNNNNN NN SSSSSSS AAA AAA MMM MMMMMMMMMM HHHHHHHHH AAAA AAAA IIII NNNN NNN NN SSSSSSS AAAAAAAAA MMM MMMMM MMM HHHHHHHHH AAA AAA III NNN NNNNN SSSSS AAAAAAAAA MMM MMM MMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAAA III NNN NNNN SSSSS AAA AAA MMM MMM MMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAAA III NNN NNN SSSSSSSSS AAA AAA MMM MM MMM HHH HHH AAA AAA II NNN NNN SSSSSSSSS AAA AAA HH AAA AAA ------------------------------ From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:11:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: MAXIMUMMSFITS The new issue of MAXIMUMROCKANDROLL has Jerry on the cover and an article inside. It's about five pages long or so with some old pictures. I wish i had a better copy of some of the pics, the one i wanted to see most clearly was one that had the band covered in blood like that Samhain cover(although it could be sweat or beer or something, but it looked most like blood to me-if you know MAX you know the photos are'nt that clear.) The article is from some radio promotion done in California and it is kind of dated(talk of getting Dave V) Someone mentioned Famous Monster a few issues ago, Yes it still is being published 6 times a year. The new iss has a page with a lot of monster models on it. All look to be about the quallity of the jerry model with around the same prices. So the Jerry model might seem alot to pay if your not in to it, but if you are, its reasonable.(wish i could afford one) The new iss also has a small pic of a gangster handing over some dough to the crimson ghost. Jerry got a new bass? and it looks kind of like a B.C. rich warlock? i hate those things. hope it looks better than what im picturing in my head, and he kept the old headstock. Think jerry's name or NOTLD were influenced by the punkish band The Only Ones who were around in '77,'78 there abouts? I think the video shot for flipside has doyle playing the theme from the Munsters for a few seconds. I know this isnt really a cover tune and is a very minor thing, but i thought i'd just throw it out to see if anybody thought it should be on the page. Does anybody know who pulled the "here is wisdom... mark of the beast" horseshit off the CD of walk amoung us?(warner bros?) Lastly(sorry this is so long and so full of crap) like Craig Walters i dont really like cover bands either, but i thought he was a little harsh. If some guys want to have a msifits cover band, no big deal. I dont think they are going to really be taking money out of the misfits pockets. I think its some guys just having fun, they might make enough money to buy a good lunch. The misfits them selves took from sources they liked(artwork,lyrics) sources that they probably didnt have a legal right to. Let the guys have there fun. they might be the next Dread Zeppilin(puke) or Dickies(cool) someday. jamil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:21:32 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Revolutionary bands, etc... Okay.. I've watched (read?!) this whole thing for a few bibles now, and it's gotten kind of silly. Here's my reply to CG's last post, which went over the top. For those who don't care about this, hit that scroll dowm key... this is a long one. >I made this comment as a stab at these "indie snobs" who think that major >labels are evil. That's because they *are*, to most creative people. Listen: the film critic Pauline Kael once described the film industry as 'businessmen in charge of an art form', and I think that summation holds equally as well for the music industry. The major players simply do not *care* about music, they care about the bottom line. They sign bands not because the music grooves them, but because they see potential profit (See: Seattle). It holds logically that a record company would want a band with a following or (and this applies to RATM) a proven formula. Do you think RATM could've got signed in 1985, playing the music they play now? More importantly, do you think 1985 RATM would sound like they do now? No. My guess is that 1985 RATM would have sounded a lot like Ratt, Cinderella or any number of big hair bands. It seems very clear to me (and several others on this list as well) that RATM are chamelions. They mold to what sells: Angry hip-hop -- but since they're whiteboys and can't claim the ghetto as their angry button, they choose middle class suburban revolution, which puts them on "alternative" playlists. They drop the name of Che Guivera in interviews so we think they're 'real'. Anyone who tells you they are revolutionary is automatically suspect, and RATM told us every chance they got. I can't recall where I read this, but some band was bitching about RATM a while back. They brought up a show they saw on the Lollapalooza tour, where each member of RATM painted a letter on their chest to spell out P.M.R.C., and stood on the stage with tape covering their mouths, not playing anything, just standing there, trying to make a dramatic point. They did this for almost 15 minutes, while the audience got agitated. The band relating the story pointed out that the PMRC has been disbanded for almost 4 years at that point, so exactly what point were they trying to make? The PMRC never bothered *them*... Now, you're going to say "I like the music, not the politics". Which is OK, but RATM have consistently sold themselves as a 'political' band first and foremost. The music has *always* come second to the message. And if the message is false, what are we to make of the music? >Yes it is a cheap shot, it was meant as a cheap shot. You can't take cheap shots and then expect anyone to take what you say seriously. If you have to resort to trashing someone to make your point, you didn't have very much of a point to begin with. >There are plenty of people on this list that think that because a band is >popular they have sold out. Look at the thread about the fucking Misfits >statues. I agree with you about the statues: cost vs price, but let's ask ourselves why the Misfits are back together after 12-13 years? *Everyone* knows the answer to this, even if not everyone is willing to say it. Because the Misfits can make gobs of money now in this punk-dominated musical atmosphere. They didn't make any money when they were together, and no one but Glenn has made money from their legacy since then, but *everyone* loves the Misfits; everyone claims them as an influence, etc. So why shouldn't Jerry & Doyle suit up and hit the road? They can make the money they have been denied all these years. To me, that is perfectly OK, even if they are going about it sort of dishonestly. It's why I'll cough up the dough to see them live if they come around where I live. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking we all want the Misfits to stay together and make lots of new albums. They are an oldies band now, and that's how we want them to stay. Their new music will suck, because the principal songwriter is not a part of this revival. We did not want Kryst the Conqueror the first time around. Shit dressed up with spikes, leather and devilocks is still shit! End of rant. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:21:36 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Mephisto Waltz >Whether or not you THINK he's entitled to do so, doesn't matter. It's not >something he legally should have been allowed to do. Opinions don't >matter, everybody. Glenn is not and was not the Misfits A few days ago I talked with a friend who is well versed in copyright laws, and this is what he told me, in relation to Mephisto Waltz: Glenn wrote the song when the Misfits were together, for the Misfits. They practiced it at least once as the Misfits. It is, at that point, a Misfits song. He copyrights and registers the song with his music publishing company as a Misfits song. The band breaks up, so Glenn records Mephisto Waltz along with several other Misfits songs with other people, maybe just himself. See, until 1994 (when it was established otherwise), Glenn Danzig was the Misfits, so anything recorded up until that point can legally be called a Misfits song if he registered it before they broke up. That's why Legacy of Brutality is the Misfits even when it's noone but Glenn and drummer X. He could have done the same thing with Archangel, but he chose to publish that as a Samhain song. Conceivably, Glenn could record *anything* he registered pre-breakup and call it Misfits (This explains Cough/Cool). My friend said the Feline Nursery/Spinal Remains vocals issue sounds like Feline Nursery was never registered, but he tagged some lyrics onto the instrumental and registered it as a different song before the breakup. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:32:29 EST From: UWFL86C@prodigy.com (JAMES POE) Subject: blabla you are the greatest band ever to live. I just want to know why did you change to Danzig. I think that you should have stayed punk because you were really cool! Go back to punk Glen. Intead of this heavy metal crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Osito666@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:51:57 -0500 Subject: Mephisto Waltz Mark, I incorrectly assumed that the web page discography would be like most of the other discographies I've seen, nothing more than a list of releases with a date beside them. I should have known you'd be more thorough than that. Thanks for clearing up my question about "We Are 138". Also appreciated was the back issue. I'm only guessing that you sent it so I'd see that Danzig was never in doubt of what to call his second band. That throws my theory out the window, but it raised another question. He says in the interview that with Samhain he was leaving behind easily identifiable song sources, like movies. I've seen a movie at the video store called "Mephisto Waltz", which leads me to think that Danzig was still in the Misfits songwriting mindset when he wrote the song. You must understand, though, that I'm not saying it's right to include a song on Collection II that the Misfits didn't play on. I'm only trying to understand what he must have been thinking when he decided to include it. Again, maybe he thinks of it as a Misfits song. People on the bible often end their letters by advertising for or requesting bootleg recordings and I've never heard a peep out of you as to the legality of this. But the minute I said I thought Danzig was entitled to release questionable material, under the Misfits name, you turned into a lawyer. I went out of my way to preface each of my comments with "maybe", "could be", and "probably", and I didn't say, "He's entitled." I said, "I think he's entitled." By law, I'm allowed to say that. Looking forward to the next issue of the bible, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Neil E. McAllister" Subject: Can't find Collection II? You're not alone!! Out here in San Francisco, it's been a bitch to try and find. Nobody has it. Virgin Megastore San Francisco, the SINGLE LARGEST RECORD STORE IN THE COUNTRY, does not stock it!! Tower Records, nothing. Wherehouse Entertainment, nothing. Make no mistake, these are all big chain stores but they DO carry the Misfits, each one of them... just not Collection II! Even the one store I found on Haight Street that had a poster in the window, didn't have a copy when I went by last. This was before the 14th though, so I'm going to have to try there again to see if it's come in since. But it's damn frustrating! Do you think Caroline is just firing off its initial press to whatever markets it feels like filling, and then it's going to re-press it with Glenn's new artwork he's been talking about, and finally do a "real" release?? ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Glenn Danzig/Verotika In the last bible, "Dave" wrote: "Glenn Danzig is swine. Every comic store in the world should stop stocking his books immediately. He is a coward and a money-grubbing maggot. Basically he seems to be saying: "I will take advantage of your distribution network to move my product, but I will let them hang you out to dry if my product gets you in trouble." The end result will be that no one will want to carry Glenn's comics, and he will lose much more money in lost revenues than he ever would have donated to the CBLDF... especially if there are convictions in the OK case." Why should Glenn have to help out these comic book stores who were irresponsible and stupid enough to sell comics that are obviously meant for adults to minors? Why should Glenn have to pay for someone else's mistakes? Just because they carry his comics? It wasn't "his product" that got them in trouble. It was their own lack of brain power. Many comic book stores have adult sections or at least put comics that they don't want to fall into the hands of the under 18 crowd up on the top shelves or in plastic wraps with warning labels. It's the comic stores responsibility to say, "Hey ... this is some heavy shit ... this isn't for minors" and then tell their employees to sell it to minors under no circumstances and card customers whose age they're not sure of. Come on. It's common sense. The comic in question, Verotika #4, has a scene where a girl is getting raped in some of the most brutal ways. I think the comic shop owner should've seen this and said, "Hmmm ... maybe I shouldn't sell this to that kid ..." Why should Glenn have to deal with someone as inept as that? Why is it his responsibility? If the local video store let a minor rent a porn film, whose fault is it? The guy who made the film or the store who rented it? If a guy in a liquor store sells a bottle of Thunderbird to a minor, whose fault is it? The Thunderbird company or the jackass who sold it to the kid? I think it's obvious. It's a simple matter of responsibility. We're not talking about a case where a store got into legal trouble just for carrying the comic. The store sold a comic that wasn't meant for minors to a minor. The comic store near me sells all kinds of Verotik titles, Faust, etc. and has never gotten into trouble because they who not to sell them to. Comic shops shouldn't sell these kind of comics to minors and then bitch that Glenn isn't helping them out. Why should he? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were him. Even if you're not a fan of Glenn's I think you'd have to agree with me on this one ... - BILE666. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Army of Nostradamus Subject: oi oi oi hey- Last Bible, Greg Petre said something about the Misfits saying "Oi oi oi" in Braineaters - it's always sounded that way to me, too. One of my brother's friends once said that the Misfits are actually the best oi band ever, although they are never classified as oi music. I don't know because it's never been clear to me what makes oi different from just plain punk rock except that oi music involves shouting the word "oi." Any oi fans out there who can explain what oi is all about, and whether the Misfits qualify as oi? -aon-1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: 02tjthompson@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Yet another Collection II review... Well...just got my copy of Collection II and have a lot of the same comments that you've all heard already. I personally like it...mostly because the sound quality is just far superior to any other Misfits recordings I have. I personally like Mephisto Waltz...probably because I like Samhain. The only thing I didn't like was Cough/Cool...this version just sucks...I hate to think that for many this will be the first version of it that they will hear. Other than that though...I like it. Tim P.S. CG...I still read all of your posts...the bible would be boring without them (and was for a while when you weren't posting). I still miss EVB's posts though.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 22:49:17 EST From: "\\A corpse" Subject: Collection II My Girlfriend picked up Collection II for me last night and I have to say that for $13.99 it sucks. The only song I never heard was of course Mephisto's Waltz and honestly it sounded like proto Samhain. The Remixes were all right, in particular HateBreeders and Devilswhorehouse, but the remix of Nike and Braineaters sucked. Also I wonder how long ago did Glenn did the vocals for Cough/Cool one,two months ago. Personally I think that if this cheesy albulm was the reason that Static Age (Which kicks Collections II's ass) was canceled and sent to the infinte hell of being released on a boxed set. (Don't get me wrong I want the boxed set, but think of all the people who'll never hear Static Age only because to get it you'll have to pay $50 - up) Then I now think that Glenn is truly an Asshole. Sincerly Mozzer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: KEITH "GWAR" NOSS Subject: Little Craig Riding Hood and the Cover Bands "My grandma Walters, what big balls you have" "The better to flame you with." "My, what a big inflated head you have." "The better to store my incorrect conclusions." Let me first say that I dont have any problem with someone stating their opinion but, when you get on this board and start spouting off about something that someone chooses to do without having the whole story, that pisses me off. I'm refering to craig walter's attempt at belittling my cover band "Devilock." Point #1: Devilock has and always has had the permission of Glenn Danzig to play whatever Misfits songs we choose to. And as far as Jerry and Doyle go, I'm sure they wouldnt be so money driven as craig walters seems to think they would be to demand money from us for making a lousy 40$ a gig while playing their songs.(and that's only 10$ going to me after it's split amongst the band) Anyone else agree? If it would make you any happier, i'll cut a check to Jerry and Doyle right now if they request it from me. This isnt even to mention the money we bring the Misfits way by turning new fans on to the music. Read my post again and you'll see that I said I've talked with Eerie(not to mention Glenn-who gave me permission via the fan club to perform) so Devilock has been contacted and does have permission.....end of story! Point #2: You also commented that cover bands are unoriginal and basing your musical existence on one band is ridiculous. If you had bothered to ask before jumping to another conclusion, I would have told you that Devilock has many original songs and we dont base our whole existence on the Misfits. I could easily form another band and play originals but it is my choice not to do so, just as it is your choice not ot go see cover bands (dont...no one cares who you choose to see). What would be the point of playing originals when people are expecting to hear Misfits tunes as promised. It's called having fun and giving a little joy to other people who may never have the chance of hearing Misfits songs live. I'm sure most of the people on this board would go see a Misfits cover band if they had the chance and it only cost two bucks to get in. Also, if you had bothered to read the post, it clearly states that we do the songs in more of a metal vein (I also change some of the structure of the songs around and the lyrics to make them sound better live- which if you know anything about copyright laws, is perfectly legal- Glenn does it with "The Hunter" not to mention other songs including the Misfits, and he plays them live - do you honestly believe he sends royalty checks to any of those performers?). We certainly dont re-hash the songs either, we're good at what we do and damn proud of it, I mean, we have Glenn Danzig's support, what else do we need? So, we are original, we dont base our whole existence on the Misfits, and I feel we represent the band in a very professional manner. How could we get gigs if that weren't all true. Point #3: You said we might never have heard the Misfit's music if they were a cover band. Do you honestly think that Jerry and Doyle never got together with anyone and jammed cover tunes before they were in the Misfits, I highly doubt that! Everyone who has ever picked up an instrument has played someone else's tunes. And if your a song writer(as I am) you should know that one of the greatest thrills is to hear someone perform one of you songs. Point #4: Your opinions are fine, I have friends that joke about cover bands, but it is not only unfair but rude, to assume things about my band before you ask me about the band first. If it makes you any happier "Devilock" will cease to exist as a band if I hear anything from Doyle, Jerry or anyone else associated with the Misfits who have a problem with it, but I tend to think they are all above money or any of that nonsense to worry about my band. And that is my opinion. Sorry for this post being so long, but i was pissed, The Noss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:42:47 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Ish "mr. pink" Said: >ok, i'm gonna have to disagree with whoever seems to think that gleen has >more brains than morrison. i mean, yes...morrison did fuck up with >drinkin and all and ended up dying at 27, but he was a genius!...... >...i think morrison was a genius and glenn is merely a >smart guy. I couldn't agree with you more Pink. While glenn is really good at what he does, morrison was good at many different styles. Morrison was exploring dark lyrics long before Danzig. People don't relate as well to Jim's style because of all the symbolism. Danzig uses alot of sybolism also, it's just not as deep. I just feel sorry for your email addy, I think you will get alot of fallout from this. I'm over-simplifying things here, because I don't want to take up space comparing the two. Suffice to say that in my opine Jim was more. Of course there will always be fanatics that elevate Danzig (and others) to GOD Level. They are truly the unintelligent ones. Btw: My alltime favorite movie sequence ...> The beginning of Apocalypse Now! I really think that's what "The End" was written for Andy Dempz Said: >>---Original post snipped due to lack of quotable content----<< Andy you make valid points. But your still missing the the forest, it doesn't matter what Zack did prior. The fact of the matter is RATM (in particular Killing in....) is a very powerful tune that's fun to listen to. It doesn't matter if the band sucks collective corporate cock, or that his accent is phoney. Put it this way. Do you think that any version of the misfits walked around in full monster regalia if they were not doing a show or appearance? Of course not! It's a fucking act. It gives the band more appeal, it's all about making money. This is how they make a living, support their families, habits etc..... On another subject these next two posts disturbed me greatly. I just want to know what the fuck they are thinking. Chicken Said: >Subject: Misfits posters for sale >My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static >Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. >You can contact her through me at . Just write >Posters in the subject line. >-chicken Here's my offer - Send me one - I'll send you 3 $1 US stamps plus a Mailing tube - that should cover it. Since these posters were supposed to be free, your friend is a greedy pig. Not to mention the fact that she is trying to sell stolen merchandise. She's trying to make a profit off posters that are the property of the band & Caroline Records. Since Caroline records and the band read this list, your post is very foolish, do you know how easy it would be to track you down? I'm sure some moron will give her money for them, but NOBODY on this list should even think about it. It's people like her that ruin it for everybody. \\A corpse" Said: > To Michael Graves: > If you want pluses and minuses of the >preformance E-Mail me and I >give you a through review of the Coney Island Show. You are low, Why should Michale furnish you with his email addy, so you can abuse it? If you have something to say about the show, say it so everyone can hear it. His addy was deleted from the last issue for a reason, he wanted it kept away from people like you. ....Silently remembering the time when this list was under 50 people, if posts like this were done back then these people would have been crucified. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * "I believe that people would be alive today % % if there were a death penalty." Nancy Reagan * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:12:53 -0500 From: bloodhogan@grecco.roman.warrior.com Subject: this MISFITS SUCK, YOU LOSERS! ------------------------------ From: EV777@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:10:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Please Help!!! hey mark, what's up? john and i sang the backups live, but glenn did all the vocals in the studio. except for ''twist of cain'' and ''posession''...that was james hetfield. hope that clears it up. later, EV ------------------------------ From: Stewart Gallacher <9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: COLLECTION II on radio!!! Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Well, I finally got my copy of Collection II, about a week after most of you guys!!! Unlike many fans who have criticised this release, I am very happy with it. The old songs from the singles all sound great, and the "new" versions of Cough/Cool, Hatebreeders, Braineaters, Devils Whorehouse, and Nike... sound very fresh and aggressive. I'm not going to enter the argument as to whether are not these new versions ARE the Misfits, but whatever the case, I am very happy that they have been released. Mephisto Waltz is also a great song, and one destined to become regarded as a classic in my opinion. I also thought that the Earth AD remastered (?) material sounded a lot better than the original release- I do not think that anything new was added to these songs but to my ears the mix is much stronger than the original; personally I would like to see the whole of the Earth AD album released (perhaps in the box-set) in this form. One thing which did disappoint me a little was the omission of the lyrics for Myphisto Waltz and the fact that there is no band photo. However, I was pleased to find that the record is on red vinyl! Does anyone know if it was pressed in any other colours? Anyway, enough of my opinions. A small point of interest is that on the BBC Radio 1 rock show broadcast last night over here in the UK, the DJ (Tom Kavanagh) played Horror Hotel from the Collection and announced its release. This is the first time that I have heard the Misfits on UK radio. If anyone is interesting in trading live/demo tapes of Misfits/Samhain/Danzig or is having trouble finding rare stuff please get in touch with me. I always prefer to trade, but can send tapes out to people for US $5 cash per 90 minute tape if they are having trouble getting a collection started. since I live in the UK there is no profit in this. -Stewart Gallacher 9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: Andreas Viehoff/SYBASE Date: 20 Nov 95 9:23:49 EDT Subject: PS: Collection II Ive got mine! Red vinyl, lyrics, great cover, 20 songs, no chance (time) to listen to the whole thing, but it sounds great. OK, its kinda DANZIG-ed, or even GLENN-ish, but I like what he does, so I like Collection II. til then, A. ------------------------------ From: WW982@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Commenting from file X-Personal_name: erl From: ww982@wcu.edu Subject: collection 2 well, i put down my hard earned cash for collection 2. was it worth it? well, for someone like me who won't buy bootlegs and other crap that rips off every artist involved, it was kind of nice to have a decent copy of the rare songs (138, horror hotel from evil/live and attitude [yeah!], last caress, etc...). but whats up with the earth a.d. songs? they sound the same... and the walk among us songs (besides braineaters) are worse. will i still be satisfied with collection 2 when the big bad boxed set comes out? i guess it depends on how much it costs. all i know is, i've seen danzig in concert twice, bought all his freakin cd's, and sometimes (even though i love his music) i feel dicked over at every 40 min. video selling for $20, and his 30 min black aria CD (good stuff... but a half hour?) for full price... the legit Earth AD CD for $20... i don't know. maybe someone needs to stop walking backwards towards lucifuge... turn around and give up some of the money to the fans? damn, i don't know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: supreme@inforamp.net (Lamchops) Subject: WHy Static Age? One question, if everyone has the songs that are on Static Age, why was everyone disappointed when it was canned? What makes the album so different? Still have not heard Last Caress or Attitude? Lambchops in Toronto, P.S. I love the Misfits, like Danzig, hate Samhain!! peace ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ Dear and dear is their poisoned note, the little snakes of silver throat, in mossy skulls that nest & lie, forever singing Die! Oh Die! The Phantom Wooer ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: Collection II I had to pay $22.98 (Canadian) to buy it as an import on the 17th. The store apparently could have got it the 7th, but forgot or some other bullcrap. Here's my review (Caroline I hope you're reading this): Cover: cool pic of CG from TV series; colours suck. needs logo BADLY. *BTW, the stickers on the wrapping were black with white letter; I thought they were to be orange...were there variants? Booklet: "Rat Fink" lyrics instead of "Mephisto Waltz" lyrics. Do I really need to elaborate? Also, the way the song titles were printed up looks too neat and flashy for a Misfits album. A band pic (ala distorted "Beware" cover in "Misfits" booklet) would have been nice. Picture on cd: very good. Better than picture-discs of EAD and LOB cds, definitely. The songs themselves: tracks 1,2: If Franche's master tape sounds better qualtiy than these do, I'd sure like to hear it. I never much cared about these appearing on the cd, since I have the Horror Business cd bootleg, and I was somewhat content with the quality on those...I take that back now; the quality on this official release is FAR better. track 3: I like this mix; some of the added effects are cool. But if one track is out of place on this cd, it's this one. I previously thought other opinions about this being (partly) recorded in '95 were a little far-fetched...now I'm not so sure. I had thought Glenn would be too busy with reforming Danzig, recording Danzig V, and managing Verotik to bother recording old Misfits songs. Who knows? Maybe he had meant to do this since '86, and finally got around to it this year in order to get this cd out before the planned TFM and SA releases. track 4: same comments as #1,2 track 5: Any man who can write such an awesome song based on a line like "return of the fly with Vincent Price" need not justify himself to any other man. Glenn can go detonate a nuclear bomb in a nursury school for all I care; this song alone makes up for any evil he might do. track 6: good. A little too much trebble (I prob. spelled that wrong, but I don't play any musical instruments). I agree with (??who) last issue who said TFM and this should be released together, so one flows into the other as they originally did on the HB 7" single. I actually think all of the singles should be released together on one cd, complete with reprints of all original covers, back covers, lyrics, inserts, etc. (hint for Caroline...box set...) track 7: okay. But no way should this be on a cd instead of the 7" version of NOTLD. I also can't see why either Glenn or Bobby would WANT to take credit for writing this song. track 8-10: I had previously only heard the crummy recording of "Horror Hotel" from the "Necronomicon" bootleg, (as well as the "Evilive" version). As far as the Halloweens go, same comments as tracks 1,2. tracks 11-14: I don't like these alternate mixes much... I guess they're okay. The WAU versions are about 10000000000000000000000000 times better. I previously said that "Glenn was the Misfits", since he wrote everything, (and I still believe this, in principle), but I see what Jerry means when he says these were not done by the Misfits. Just on the way Glenn sings these, I agree they might be Samhain, or at least were done during Glenn's Samhain days. (He uses that growly-sort of singing style more than in the Misfits). track 15: I love this song. I can't see why the other Misfits never liked this at the time. I think the tempo, beat, etc all sound like a typical Misfits song. As for who recorded it, I think it was done at or around the same time as #11-14. In one of the articles on the WWW page, Glenn talks about how Samhain was originally sort of a side-project. Whether or not you call them Samhain at that point is irrelevant, but my guess is that this was when tracks 11-15 were recorded. Actually, other than that same growly-style of singing, I would never guess that this song was recorded without Jerry. Also, both this cd and the '86 have the songs appearing pretty much in the order they were done, so 11-15 would rightly fall between the release of WAU and the breakup of the Misfits. As for why Glenn included these in a Misfits cd, there appear to be several possibilities: a): Jerry is fucked and totally forgot recording these,so they ARE, in fact, "The Misfits." (it *has* been 10-15 years) b): same as a) but substitute Glenn's name, and he forgot that these are NOT the Misfits. (same time elapsed as in scenario "a") c) Glenn hates Jerry and doesn't care who else played on these, and decided to include them because i: they were all originally written for the Misfits (including "Mephisto Waltz") or ii: he is getting revenge on them for reforming without him (even though he doesn't want to join them) I'll take "c" as most likely possibility. tracks 16-20: Alternate mixes?? I see very little difference, if any. I feel ripped off by these ones, but I guess it is logical, since every other song off DDMD and EAD/WB was on the 1st compilation. Sorry I took so long again. I think others should post ideas about when tracks 11-15 were done, as well as possible lyrics for "Mephisto Waltz." later. -Brett "yeah you guinea pig..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Justin A Chamberlain Subject: Review..What stinks? Less Than Zero JChamb@grove.ufl.edu My Take On COLLECTION II Glenn "I think I'm Trent Reznor with all the remixing I did but I'm not I'm a Balding pumped-up dwarf with a big belt buckle" Danzig: vocals, guitar, bass, remixing, royalty collecting, redubbing and skin flute playing Actually I tried to be biased on this. The most blatant and irritating problem with this release is the PACKAGING... It sucks BAD! nothing here but cheesy lyric sheets (I could have done better than this) and three photos of the crimson ghost, and Thats it? NO band lineup. No logo on front. No pictures of the group, NO NOTHING! also we get the attractive coloring of shit brown and puke green. AS for the songs: We Are 138- Had less emotion than bullet and live versions Cough/Cool- I love this.. I've always wanted Danzig(group) to redo this song, I got my wish, Yes I know this isn't the Misfits but its nifty! Last Caress-sounded like it had more guitar giving it less of a rockabilly sound (actually the guitar is so loud its annoyiing). Children in Heat-I agree with whoever said that TFM should always preceed this song, but this version is good. Hatebreeders(psyco85-finger-chop-mix)-sucks. Nuff said. Braineaters and Nike A Go Go- I like other versions better. Mephisto Waltz-unreleased Misfits song ha ha ha ha ha. A Samhain-wanna-be-Misfits song. Hey Damien turn up the guitar. Rest of the album is ok. The whole album feels very clinical and sterile.. No Energy. This should not be considered a greatest hits vol. 2 but rather a alternate CD of Misfits tunes like how NIN does. It feels like Danzig Just threw this together to make money, not to give the fans of the misfits a fair or complete representation of the past. let us hope the Static Age/Box set will do this. Less Than Zero ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Edward Kruzewski Subject: Rat Fink The Misfits seem to draw an awful lot of inspiration from B-movies. I remember seeing a movie called "Rat Fink a Boo Boo". I guess it's a sixties b-movie cult classic about a superhero named Rat Fink and his sidekick Boo Boo. The song Rat Fink totally fits in with the movie, and it sure seems like it could be the theme song... Does anyone know if there is any connection? (I would venture a guess and say yes) eddyk ps (sorry if I seemed pretentious to all who have any info on this, I didn't check the page that well, so just don't be mean to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:16:04 -0500 From: anp@po.cwru.edu (Aaron Pacitti) Subject: Take a wild guess After searching thousands of stores that never even heard of the Misfits I finally got my hands on CollII Friday. Tell me that doesn't suck. Anyway, I thought I'd add my two cents. First of all, I never knew the Misfits went techno with Cough/Cool, but it is still a rockin version. For some odd reason I am in love with this version of Hatebreeders. Something about Danzig's voice and the drums make this the best song on the disk. Braineaters sounds 4 million times better than the WAU version. And Mephisto Waltz, Misfits or not, rocks out. It does sound strikingly similar to Samhain, but the guitar solo sounds like the fits 100%. Does anyone else think that song sounds like Queen Wasp? Don't wanna bore anyone, so thats all I gotta say about. It definitely was worth the $$$$. And please no more Rage commentary. Yours Truly, The Fatherly Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:42:59 -0500 From: Liam Colleran Subject: THX1138 Anyone who is a fan of the Fox X-Men cartoon may have noticed something pretty fucking cool this past Saturday. The plates on the Bronco that Psylocke was driving said THX1138. Quick question. IS the band going to do any more shows before Christmas. I live in Providence and will be more than willing to hike down as far a Jersey to go seem them. It'd be a fucking treat if they were actually making plans to come up this way. P.S. Jerry, if you see this and need someone to book a show in Rhode Island, e-mail me: colleran@providence.edu <> ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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I placed my order last week and should be here by next Friday. They said approx. 2 weeks. If you canna find it anywhere, it is a last resort. Later, Zodiac =============================== "To Serve Man"...IT'S A COOKBOOK! =============================== This message brought to you by Zodiac. E-Mail: abbadon@idirect.com =============================== Some say punk rock died when the Sex Pistols broke up. Others say it died when The Clash wrote "Rock The Casbah". =============================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:34:17 -0500 From: pmack@shore.net (Dave Asselin) Subject: Glenn/Verotika/resposibility >Why should Glenn have to pay for someone else's mistakes? >Just because they carry his comics? Look - The comic store wouldn't be in the hole if they weren't selling his comic. Simple as that. Glenn doesn't have a legal responsibility to help them, but he does have a moral one. I repeat: if retailers see other comic shops hung out to dry for selling a potentially offensive subject, *no one* will carry that product. It simply isn't worth it for a retailer to stock 100 copies of "Glenn's Sex Orgy" #5 and risk legal troubles when they can easily stock 100 more copies of "X-Men Handjob" #108 and make the same money. The end result is comics that push the envelope will be censored by ecomonics... and isn't censoring what Glenn's against? - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Lamchops Subject: Collection II FInally available here in Canada, and It cost $29.54 on CD tax included. I finally got to hear these songs....and they're great!!!No, I mean fantastic!! I was more impressed with Metallica's version of Last Caress but GnR's version of Attitude was not near as good as the Misfits original!! All I can say is that "WE BITE" Lambchops ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ Dear and dear is their poisoned note, the little snakes of silver throat, in mossy skulls that nest & lie, forever singing Die! Oh Die! The Phantom Wooer ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: J.Baldry@mail.nerc-swindon.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:35:01 GMT Subject: availablility + other stuff First off I just want to say that no matter what anyone says about the content of Collection II (which I happen to think is pretty damn good for the most part) it just makes a nice change to be able to walk into a record store in the UK and actually have the option of buying a Misfits release! Even in Tower Records (London) where I bought Coll II they only had that and 'Misifts' on CD. In response to Dave Asselin's post last issue regarding RATM, 'whiteboys'?! Have you ever actually seen a picture of the band? If they're all white then Glenn's parents are both over 6 feet tall! Also, (jeez, why am I defending this crappy band... maybe I just like people to know the facts) the nucleus of RATM did NOT play in a Ratt or 'hairspray' type band, their first major deal came as a band called 'Lock Up' who put out and album on Geffen in the mid/late 80's. The style was very Chilli Pepper influenced but was definately similar to what they do now (i.e. not very good). For whoever wanted to know about Oi! music, that stuff really belongs to the skinheads... it was their way of getting in on the punk scene with bands like Sham 69 and Skrewdriver. As you might imagine there is also a lot of Nazi types who like Oi! and the whole culture is a lot less 'fun' (if that's the right word) than straight forward punk. I'd never class the Misfits as Oi!... if anything they are more psychobilly a la the Meteors and suchlike. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: #122 Here we go again.... Nate: I think the CG pic on C2 is taken directly from the old series. It's the same pose as on the HB 7", only the reproduction on that isn't clear enough to see the eyeballs etc. as well. BTW, the pic on the back of "Misfits" is a mirrored image of a scene form the tv series. Instead of holding a book, CG is sort of menacing a guy and girl (If I remember correctly). The original pic is on the back cover of the CG double-VHS pack. Eric Snook: I have a 7" bootleg of "Beware" that is too fast...I'll try that trick of your next time I find a 50-cent piece. Dave Asselin: I know what you are implying about the "reunion" of the Misfits, but from what I understand, Jerry and Doyle had wanted to continue since 1983, but were legally prevented by Glenn. Everyone: don't forget, until March 94, Glenn was the only one entitled to make ANY Misfits stuff. I agree with your legal point about "Mephisto Waltz"...Everyone again: if you check with ASCAP or whatever, ALL songs are copyrighted under Static Age, Hellbent, or Evilive Music, therefore "Mephisto Waltz" IS and always was a Misfits song, even though "they" never recorded it. Glenn still owns ALL rights to the songs; Caroline owns *only the tapes of the recordings*. Jerry and Doyle and co. can call themselves the Misfits, but they in no way "own" any of the songs. Glenn can re-do every Misfits song and release them on future Danzig albums if he wanted; he would not have to pay anyone, unless he used a recording of their bass etc on it. He just can't call it "The Misfits" anymore. As for why he could release C2, don't forget that it was originally advertised for sale in 1986. So all of you whining about how Glenn has no right to overdub or alter HIS songs, you'd better got throw out you LOB cds as well. Isn't it funny how no one (I don't think) on the list has been listening to the Misfits since the original days, yet they all presume to tell Glenn what he can't do, despite the fact that he wrote and owns all lyrics, music, and perviously all album artwork etc etc etc etc for the past 12 years? Again, Caroline NOW owns the RECORDINGS, Jerry NOW owns the NAME, Glenn ALWAYS HAS owned the (words and music of the) SONGS. Osito666: Not only was Glenn in the "Misfits mindset" when he wrote "Mephisto Waltz", HE WAS IN THE MISFITS. They played the song once or twice according to Jerry, as it says on the WWW page. Bile666: Agreed re: Verotik. I wonder, how many of those who denounced Glenn for not contributing actually bothered to go read the CBG article as you suggested (was it you who originally posted about it? sorry I forgot to check). BTW, I have collected comics for 17 of my 19 years, and I must say that calling someone else "cheap" in comparison to comic-store owners is laughable. Some of these guys are among the greediest crooked-legged bastards around, and I may well be a comic-store owner myself. As to the person who suggested every store should stop carrying Verotik material, how many did in the first place? Maybe 5% Pink and CG: JM a genius? yeah, whatever. I originally wasn't gonna respond to this, as I 'm so sick of the comparisons to JM, but after CG's post I must. BTW CG, when you say "Glenn's imagery is more commonly accepted than Jm's" (sorry if I didn't quote you verbatim), what dimension is this in? Last I heard The Doors sold about a zillion more records than Danzig ever has. A for being "a scholar of the works of Neitzche", reading soeone's work does not make you a scholar, and besides, Glenn reads him too. If you want to take it a step further, Glenn also embodies Neitzche's ideal of physical perfection more the JM could ever dream. I like some Doors stuff, but I say again (and I hope for the last time) that Glenn is a better singer, songwriter, and performer than JM was in every way. As for diversity, Glenn has written music labelled as punk, industrial ,metal, country, and classical. And concerning who wrote "dark" music first: JM obviously because he was born first, but GD never claimed to invent it. And he does a far better job of exploring this...what so many people write off as "satanic" etc actually draws on the work of Charles Baudelaire and John Milton. No, they didn't record any music, but JM's poetry is shit compared to these geniuses, and much of his writing is crap no matter to whose you compare it. Also, don't buy this juvenile bullshit about "revolutionary figures" as JM and Kurt Cobain are portrayed as...future history texts may make reference to Elvis, Marilyn, and the Beatles, but JM, KC, Hendrix, and yes, even Glenn will never be remembered as "geniuses" or important people, at leats not by anyone with an education and a little maturity. No CG, I don't think Glenn is god, I just think he is a very talented guy who is so often misquoted, misinterpreted, and generally misunderstood that it's sickening. Of course he's not perfect, and he can obviously be a jerk sometimes, but 98% of his critics don't know what they're talking about. You obviously hate him CG, but I at least give you credit for having a unique perspective, because you know the Caiafas so well. I think this biases you alot, but I know my fandom of Danzig, Samhain, and the Misfits also biases me. Fair enough? Finally... Justin A Chamberlain: Here I'm really gonna be rude... I'm short, just a bit shorter than Glenn, and I don't really have any hangups about it. It just sucks when I go see Danzig, because I can't see over tall peoples' heads. But next time you (or anyone else) wants to go call Glenn "a balding dwarf", don't forget 2 things: 1. He is 40 years old. 2. He could beat the shit out of you, having been trained in Fillipino knife and stick-fighting, Muay Thai kickboxing, and Jeet kune do. Please, all you who love badmouthing a guy you don't even know, please say something to his face. Please do it at the next Danzig show in either Toronto, Montreal, Buffallo, or Detroit, as I intend to be at all of these, and please make sure I am present when you open your mouth to Glenn. I want to see him annihilate you in about zero seconds flat. later. -Brett "...pounding out deserved pain to anyone in need..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: hey Well, this is my first post here, assuming it works....anyway.... Hi, my name is Steev(yeah i purposely misspell it) and I live in Boca Raton, Florida. I could bore all of you by telling you about how/when I got into Misfits/Samhain/Danzig, but what's the point? I've been watching this place for almost a month now, and I figured I would attempt to contribue... I don't have much Misfits stuff, just LoB, WAU, and both of the collections. I managed to find a copy of Collection II on the 9th at Best Buy(of all places). No one else has it down here. Best Buy has no more copies of it. But I don't care cuz I got my copy, so I'll tell you what I think of it. I liked almost all the stuff I heard, but then again I had never heard more than half the songs on the damn thing before I bought it. I love "We Are 138", "Attitude", and "Last Caress". I've been waiting to hear the original of 'Caress ever since I heard Metallica's version(about 2 years ago...I didn't get into any music until I was 16), so that song alone was enough to get me to buy it. I have to admit that "Cough/Cool" ain't too great....I'd rather listen to that 20 second sample I got off the web page. This may sound crazy, but I've been comparing the new "Cough/Cool" to the short little sample I have of the old one, and I think that the original vocal track is still lingering around there somewhere, or at least in certain parts of the new version...anyone out there agree? Sorry for the long post, and I didn't even get to say everything I wanted to say....oh well. -Steev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: Oi! capital O and explanation mark, Oi! music is street rock n roll, street punk, whatever. It is punk without the crap, a reflection of working class kids' lives. Musically, it is like punk but a little cleaner (ie, nobody who absolutely can't play and just makes a bunch of noise) but catchier and often with football match style choruses. An "Oi! Oi! Oi!" chorus alone does not make it Oi!, just listen to the new WarZone disc and see what i mean. Oi! is not racist or nazi music, those fucking bastards stole the traditional skinhead name and appearance and are not skins by any stretch of the imagination. Hope that helps... As for RATM, I don't really give a rat's ass, I was just saying a band that tries to be "political" should have some integrity. Dempz X X X X X X X X X X X X X emc X X X X X X X X X X X X X you lousy mother fucker ------------------------------ From: "Lowe, Thomas B." Subject: Late Collection II Review Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 15:47:00 PST Ok, I notice hostility from some of the people on this list about Glenn. You can twist the story around in your head all you want but the bottom line is that Glenn IS every band he has been in. He writes the songs (words & music) and anybody could have performed his material. The Misfits aren't exactly a talented band. I have heard 12 year old kids in their garage play better than they do live. If Glenn wants to mess with the songs, redo them, that's his option, it's his stuff. I am not a fan from the Misfits era but a fan of them because of Danzig. I, personally, like Collection II. I don't have some of the rarer songs that weren't on the regular albums so it is my first exposure to many of them. I can understand why some of you feel it is not a good album and that is probably because you are long time Misfits fans. For me, I don't care what Glenn does with these songs so I appriciate them a bit more. Mephisto Waltz is not a Misfits song, but it is a cool song and I don't care who is playing the music. It may be the best song on there. I would love to know how many of these songs were recorded after the Misfits broke up. Most if not all of the WAU stuff is post-Misfits and Cough/Cool is much different sounding (and cooler) than the original. Anyhow, the Misfits will be a cool show to see but once they have to write their own stuff, it will fall short of the original stuff. That's my view... Unholy Tom PS - Is this really Eerie Von??? Subject: this ratm thing Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) i tend to agree that discussions like this need to be discussed here. i know that i've got a .edu at the end of my account, but that doesn't mean i'm a fool. i think the best comment i've heard about rage is this by mike muir "thats great, you wanna overthrow the status-quo, but what the fuck are you doing about it?" or something like that. major label do tend to care more about the bottom line then the music. but what word in the music industry is the most inportant? industry. ever indusrty needs to draw revenue, and those that draw more are more successful, hence signing bands w/ the "sound" i think the lowest shot crimson ghost made was starting to name bands. anyone can go , "i've hear of such and such" sure the damned were influencial, but just because you don't listen to them doesn't mean your any less informed. i personally happen not to like the offspring too much, but their cover of smash it up is killer, i can never tell whether its the original or not. i also wonder how you can say that people are ignorant because they have certain beliefs, but then try to impose you own upon others. i also think that while your posts are interesting, ending w/ "back when there were 50 people, we'd have crucified him" is sorta hypocritical. what makes you the source for what can be discussed or posted. w/o 2 sided discussion no one can see other sides of an issue, isn't that what you want, or do you want them to see your issues only? this isn't an attack, but i simply how i feel. you can flame me now as i'm sure you will. also on the subject of cover bands. i think a band that does only covers losses some of their freedom, as music is about exploration of different things, not repetition. -- Paul Hahn hahnpaul@acm.msu.edu 'Destruction is not negative, http://www.acm.cps.msu.edu/~hahnpaul you must destroy to build'- check out the Speedball Homepage einsturzende neubauten ------------------------------ From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:45:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: hatebreeding lot of hatebreeding going on lasst issue. On Verotica being distributed to minors- it's been a few weeks since i read the article, and i went back and checked my 1st post about it. I don't believe that the store was charged with distributing obscene material to minors, i think it was charged with distributing obscene material period. Which would mean that if convicted, even adults would not be able to read it. I could be wrong, I will try to find the article again, but I think i am right about the charge. (now play in eighty four) Last issue's cracks about Glenn being a balding,pumped-up dwarf, and the one about blowing up a nuclear bomb in a nursery school made me laugh out loud. I miss EVB's posts too. Has anyone ever counted how many times the words black,death,devil,or demon appear in mis/sam/dan songs? I think it might be funny to compare song to word ratios I also need to note how snazzy and chock full of stuff the web page is, i didnt think it could get better. I would like to see the Halloween 7' cover up there soon (i have never seen it). jamil ------------------------------ From: smcumm@xnet.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:01:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sweet Jimmy's Inspiring thoughts... >>From: UWFL86C@prodigy.com (JAMES POE) >>Subject: blabla >>you are the greatest band ever to live. I just want to know why did >>you change to Danzig. I think that you should have stayed punk >>because you were really cool! Go back to punk Glen. Intead of this >>heavy metal crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you James for one of the most intellectual and inspiring things I have ever read. Do you think you're actually talking to Glenn here? Are you 12? If only everyone wrote in notes like this I could finally be pushed over the edge of committing suicide. Please leave... hatebreeder ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: 1 2 2 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:14:28 -0500 (EST) > Eerie and John would do "Tired..." Not to cause any trouble, but Glenn > himself could tell me that it's not him on backups for "It's Coming Down" and > I wouldn't believe him, so I must disagree with you on this point. I know I Yep, Brett, you win. You can't argue with Eerie Von. > From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" > My question: Does anyone know who is modeling as the Crimson Ghost on > the Collection II cover, or is it just art? Just Wondering... That's taken right from the movie, so it's the actor who played the CG. > From: satan@relex.com > 1-800-637-9239 > They have EVILIVE on CD!!! They sold out right now but they said they Not quite. I called and was informed that they never had Evilive, but they're supposed to get it from their distributor. They were quite surprised when I informed them that it doesn't exist, at least not as a CD fully devoted to Evilive. > From: Dave Asselin > A few days ago I talked with a friend who is well versed in copyright laws, > and this is what he told me, in relation to Mephisto Waltz: > ... He copyrights and registers the song with his music publishing company > as a Misfits song. Did he do this? Who knows? > See, until 1994 (when it was established otherwise), Glenn Danzig was the > Misfits, so anything recorded up until that point can legally be called a > Misfits song if he registered it before they broke up. That's why Legacy of > Brutality is the Misfits even when it's noone but Glenn and drummer X. He > could have done the same thing with Archangel, but he chose to publish that > as a Samhain song. Conceivably, Glenn could record *anything* he registered > pre-breakup and call it Misfits (This explains Cough/Cool). It wasn't the case that Glenn was the Misfits. It WAS the case that Jerry and Doyle couldn't be the Misfits. That was the problem. To me, this changes the issue. The song "Mephisto Waltz" was recorded by Samhain at Reel Platinum studio in Lodi, NJ in January of 1984. I was informed of this on Saturday by someone who was present during its recording. Therefore, it shouldn't be on any Misfits release. End of story, right? > My friend said the Feline Nursery/Spinal Remains vocals issue sounds like > Feline Nursery was never registered, but he tagged some lyrics onto the > instrumental and registered it as a different song before the breakup. Well, this is definitely not the case. The band broke up in 1983, "Spinal Remains" was recorded in 1985. > From: Osito666@aol.com > "Mephisto Waltz", which leads me to think that Danzig was still in the > Misfits songwriting mindset when he wrote the song. You must understand, > though, that I'm not saying it's right to include a song on Collection II > that the Misfits didn't play on. I'm only trying to understand what he must > have been thinking when he decided to include it. Again, maybe he thinks of > it as a Misfits song. He definitely wrote it for the Misfits (as it says in the discog on the page) But it was not recorded by the Misfits. > People on the bible often end their letters by advertising for or requesting > bootleg recordings and I've never heard a peep out of you as to the legality > of this. But the minute I said I thought Danzig was entitled to release > questionable material, under the Misfits name, you turned into a lawyer. I > went out of my way to preface each of my comments with "maybe", "could be", > and "probably", and I didn't say, "He's entitled." I said, "I think he's > entitled." By law, I'm allowed to say that. I didn't mean to rile you up here. First of all, I don't say anything about bootlegs for reasons that I'm not going to get into. But I just want to make it clear that "Mephisto Waltz" was not recorded by the Misfits and therefore it should not be on the album. > From: supreme@inforamp.net (Lamchops) > One question, if everyone has the songs that are on Static Age, why was > everyone disappointed when it was canned? What makes the album so different? Have you ever heard the REAL versions of the songs that weren't on Legacy? Most of the subscribers on this mailing list have not, and would like to. They are infinitely better with amazing bass lines and solid guitar. And, most people don't have Franche's version of "Teenagers From Mars". In my opinion, this version is a lot better (perhaps because it's slowed down?) than the later version with Bobby. On a side not, even Bobby Steele has told me that his favorite Misfits stuff is the Static Age album. He really likes Franche's style. > From: "B.M. Fama" > Booklet: "Rat Fink" lyrics instead of "Mephisto Waltz" lyrics. Do I > really need to elaborate? Also, the way the song titles were > printed up looks too neat and flashy for a Misfits album. A band > pic (ala distorted "Beware" cover in "Misfits" booklet) would > have been nice. Of course there's no lyrics for "Mephisto Waltz". Glenn wouldn't waste his time making lyrics for a Misfits album. Just for everyone's info, those lyrics that appeared on the Collection II album were originally figured out by members of this mailing list, later given to Johnathan Grimm and Jerry Only for minor corrections, and then sent to Glenn for final corrections. Some of you may have noticed the immense similarities between those lyrics and the ones on the page. Who would keep track of how many times Glenn yells "8" at the end of "We Are 138" (by the way, Caroline left off a few)? Who would keep track of all the "yeah yeah" in "Rat Fink"? I would, and I did, and now it's on Collection II. The non-standard Latin translation was provided by Rob and Kate Sumner, also of the mailing list. > From: Edward Kruzewski > The Misfits seem to draw an awful lot of inspiration from B-movies. > I remember seeing a movie called "Rat Fink a Boo Boo". I guess it's a > Does anyone know if there is any connection? (I would venture a > guess and say yes) Apparently the band was into the Rat Fink character. He's this demonic looking rat who drives a motorcycle. They were into the toys and decided to cover the song, which was originally done by Allan Sherman. mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 16:28:59 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: Misfits & Oi!/Various Stuff Ok as my friend who is like the biggest punk/oi/ska fan I know says, Oi! music is for the working class basicly. It came around when punk was corporate or becoming that way and skinheads (traditional) wanted a music of their own for the working class. I don't think the Misfits qualify as an Oi! band because they wern't skinheads, they didn't sing music about and for the working class, and the Oi is usually alot rougher sounding and has a theme for NY hardcore dances. Oi is used in alot of things too. In AC/DC's "TNT" they say "Oi! Oi! Oi!" all the time. I'm sure the Misfits probably had a skinhead following a small one but they were never an Oi! band they were merely a new generation NY punk band which is very reflective in the music. Also since Glenn hated the brits and Oi was started in England I doubt he;d ever wanna be called that. Also I almost cheered when I saw the Crimson Ghost post about the fool selling the posters and the Mike Graves thingy. I used to post on the bible alot. Sometimes twice a week cuz it wasn't cluddered with garbage and I knew almost all the regular posters by their email address and they didn't post a buncha bullshit. I think selling the posters for anymore then a shipping fee is rather lame. Why not have fun and maybe think up a quiz or contest and give some away that way if you wanna be fair. It is stolen merchandise but if you wanna give them away on here do it fair and do it cheap because its not like you had to buy them, they were free. One more thing I knew this was in the making but I'm about to barf at all the COLLECTION II ripping. Ok we know Glenn altered tracks 11-15 but like its insane "Well ya know so-so track doesn't quite sound like my shitty bootlegged warped vinyl.. DAMN GLENN MUSTA RE-RECORDED THE WHOLE SONG WITH A NEW BAND!" or "Whats this? Its 1 second sorter then my other. Dam that Danzing him and his mixer are at it again!" (I know this is high sarcasm and extream but its stupid). Glenn obviously stuffed those other songs on there to fill it out for 20 tracks like the last collection or because he didn't have an alternate version to stick on there for some songs. Just live with it people. The benefits of the album outweigh the shitty parts since weather you like or or not the STATIC AGE album and BOX SET arnt due out for months now (if ever depending on future hassels) so might as well enjoy what you can get. I'd much rather shell out $13 for some of the stuff now and enjoy it and when the box set and static age come around get those and enjoy them more since from the hype they are obviously better. If your gonna rip on the album totally then go down to your local cd store and sell the damn thing. I'm sure there is another 'Fits fan who would be happy to get one for $8 and not bitch about the damn thing all day long. Critism is ok but I think what Mark and the Crimson Ghost said pretty much sums up the changes and whats wrong. We don't need to hear peoples new found fun theory of the week on what Glenn has gone off and fucked with now. Complain about the LEGACY OF BRUTALITY album, Glenn fucked with that even more cuz practicly the whole thing isn't even the Misfits. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:54:41 -0800 (PST) From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" Subject: politics 96' fellow fiends... join me in voting for Crimson Ghost for president 1996. he has earned it... CG---thanks for the lively posts, I enjoy them and look forward to them every issue. RATM suck, Misfits rule... need I say more... ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 20:21:02 -0500 Subject: LAST ISSUE Last Issue, some rocket scientist named "Bloodhogan" wrote ...MISFITS SUCK, YOU LOSERS! Wow ... what a snappy little dig at all of us. I'm bowing my head down in embarassment. You sure are bright. Why don't you give yourself a pat on the back ... Now there ... Don't you feel like a big man now? Why don't you go run along and make one of your "Is your refridgerator running?" phone calls ... - BILE666. ------------------------------ From: mblade@walnut.holli.com Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 23:17:35 -0700 Subject: NO RATM!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe it's just me, but I think all this arguing about whether Rage Against The Machine sold out or not is pathetic and fucking worthless. Who gives a shit I might ask? First, being a punk rocker myself, I constantly hear enough shit from my friends about who's sold out and who hasn't in the punk scene. I come to Misfits Central and read the Bible to keep up on a band that, no matter what, is truly great and above all this "sellout" crap that everybody like to talk. When it comes to the Fits I'm not a punk, I'm a Fiend, and no matter what label their records are out on, they're still the fuckin greatest band ever. Second, this a MISFITS e-zine. It's about the MISFITS, not RATM. In my opinion, if you wanna pull this holier-than-thou shit about how big a fake and a sell-out RATM are, GO FIND A FUCKIN RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE PAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Find Epic Records Online and e-mail to them about what a evil, money-grubbing corporate monster they are and how their band RATM is a traitorous sell-out. I can't speak for everyone, but I can safely say Rage has nothing to do with the MISFITS, and I couldn't give a shit less how evil they are when I'm reading the...now,listen carefully,kids...M-I-S-F-I-T-S B-I-B-L-E. It just doesn't have a place there. Sorry about all my rambling, but I've been wanting to get that off my chest for a week. I encourage anyone who agrees (or disagrees) with me to say so. Thanks, Alex 13 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 22:35:12 EST From: MR MAURICIO NUNEZ Subject: Collection II My last post got cut off so here I am to clear it up. Glenn gave "Mephisto Waltz" to the Misfits but they butchered it. They couldn't get it right so Glenn did himself the right way. Right on Glenn! 4p ------------------------------ Subject: Maximum RockNRoll From: brian trainor Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 23:27:32 EST I thought the interview in Maximum RockNRoll was GREAT. it had some good pictures in(damn good, actually) and, although some of the info was out dated(mostly thanks to Mark's fast action updates;)) there was some stuff in it that was really informative. also, i would like to take this time to say GLENN DANZIG CAN DIE FOR ALL I CARE. he and his ego are the two worst things that could ever happen to a band. it's not suprising Eerie left Danzig. he can do better. All the best to Jerry, Doyle, Chud, and Mike in all they do. I hope they make Danzig look like a bad dream for Misfits Fans everywhere. well, i'm done now. go about your busines. and remember: Evil NEVER Dies. ------------------------------ From: Claudette.Piper@nau.edu Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:12:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: Cramps? Hello everyone-- I have a question. I apologize if this has previously been discussed or is somewhere on the page, but I don't get many chances to read everything... ] In the Misfits article in Goldmine magazine from a few years back,I recall reading that there is a song on Legacy of Brutqality which was going to be done by the Cramps. Is this true? Does anyone know which song? Being a Cramps fan, I'm very curious... My guess would be "American Nightmare". (EVB--Perhpas you know, I know that you helpedwith the discography that went with the article). Anyone with any ideas, please respond. Thanks --Ellie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 12:32:10 -0600 (CST) From: gerry blaylock Subject: c2, stuff i just got c2, and i like it. we are 138, return of the fly, and attitude are some of my favorites. i don't care much for the remix of nike, though. the words to hatebreeders are different than the ones on my wau. is it a remix of that song, or an unreleased version? now, about the new misfits. i guess i'll go see them, if they come around here. but it won't be the same. as long as they don't put out any new songs. without glenn, the songs wouldn't be misfits songs. just songs written in the misfits style. are they going to do an album of old songs? it would be like the doors w/someone replacing jim morrison. they'd just be a cover band w/original members. btw, i'd like to know if anyone wants to sell any original misfits stuff? no bootlegs except the one w/their last show. bye. when i sin, i sin real good ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 20:19:31 +0100 From: Franz Ardito Subject: Hi After reading the last Bible, I seize the opportunity to introduce myself to everyone: my name's Franz and I'm posting from Italy (hi Andreas..); over here "Collection II" is not sold (not yet, anyhow..) so I've ordered it from Vinyl Ink Records. On the Bible there is people with a lot of different opinions about it: in my personal opinion the release of this CD is in any case a good thing, because it gives the possibility to hear some rare Misfit's cuts to people who maybe hasn't the chance to get the old 7"s. Yes, some songs sound really different than the original versions but I think that I would be happier to hear a different version than to hear nothing. I can say that I'm lucky to have found the bootleg "Beware and the Rest", because in my country I think that there aren't many Misfits' fans who heard the original of "Last Caress" or "Attitude". BTW, what do you what do you think about the Metallica's way to play LC and Guns' way to play A? I think that Metallica transformed that song in a way that doesn't fit the original feeling and Guns just fucking raped that wonderful tune..Well, I'm done, greetings #$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%# #Franz Ardito # #e-mail: vag1865@iperbole.bologna.it # #From somewhere in Italy.. # #$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%# ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 15:50:40 PST From: David Greco Subject: Oi bands To:Army Of Nostradamus Oi music was a type of punk music from England that was traditionally followed by skinheads.The music is pretty racist. One of my friends has a copy from England of an Oi compilation and the music isn't too original (a lot of them sound like the Damned). A lot of Oi music is underground because of its racist content and because of this the sound quality of the recordings are not too great. "Braineaters" sounds totally like an Oi! song except Oi! songs have cheesy bluesy solos in them. However the song content of Braineaters is nothing like the content of the Oi! songs.Later. David Greco ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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I wish! stuff Glenn/Verotik Teevie rambles... # 123 Rat Fink origin More Mephisto Re: Stuff peep this! shit shit shit Boxed Set video Static Age recording session Old 7"'s Collection II -=Subscribe=- Re: some comments Last Time Collection II & Mephitso Waltz Lyrics crystal waltz RE: Misfits Bible, #122 collection2 static age, other stuff SHUT THE FUCK UP Glenn's new bandmates cover band/San Francisco RE: Misfits Bible, #122 RE: Misfits Bible, #123 Evil is.../Hymns From... misfits ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: She Subject: 1 2 3 Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:06:51 -0500 (EST) > From ??? > PS - Is this really Eerie Von??? > From: Claudette.Piper@nau.edu > In the Misfits article in Goldmine magazine from a few years back,I recall > reading that there is a song on Legacy of Brutqality which was going to be > done by the Cramps. Is this true? Does anyone know which song? Being a > Cramps fan, I'm very curious... My guess would be "American Nightmare". That was my guess too, until I talked to Jerry. I asked him about it 2 years ago and he says that it's totally untrue. None of those songs were written for The Cramps. The author was mistaken. > From: gerry blaylock > the words to hatebreeders are different than the ones on my wau. is it a > remix of that song, or an unreleased version? Certainly not a remix - definitely a re-recording. From when? Nobody knows.... mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 02:18:03 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Alan Smaldone <65063@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> Subject: Meat Loaf singing for the Misfits? I wish! Well, I've done it. I'm not sure, but I think it might be a first. I went ahead and recorded the first a capella Misfits song on my 4 track. It was Tuesday night, and I rented THX 1138 (damn good movie!), and after watching it, I was inspired and went ahead with it. All vocals....hahah! Beat box (a la Fat Boys) one voice low on bass (a la Bowser from Sha Na Na) and two voice sounding power chords while I sang the rest of it. It's pretty wacky. I also enjoy doing Misfits unplugged tunes. (I do a pretty damn tender Astro Zombies!) ,---------------. _ _ | My eyes... \ |\__/| .~ ~. | The goggles do | /o=o'`./ .' Rich Smaldone \ nothing!!! /\_ {o__, \ { 65063@ef.gc.maricopa.edu `-------------' / . . ) \ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- `-` '-' \ } Lemon curry? .( _( )_ .' '---.~_ __| ------------------------------ From: EvilDieff@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 12:50:39 -0500 Subject: stuff brian trainor: if it wasn't for glenn you wouldn't even know the phrase "evil never dies" because it probably wouldn't exist! b.m. fama: right on! okay, now here's my 2 cents, which probably no one will read. besides the legalites, there is no difference in glenn putting samhain doing misfits songs on the collection and jerry and doyle touring, recording, etc as the misfits. i feel glenn and jerry were the misfits and according to a reliable source glenn feels the same way. i think glenn is just saying, "you want to tour and what not as the misfits, then hey, i wrote the stuff so i'll do what i want too." although i think mephisto waltz is a great song it should've been left off and put onto a samhain album. (will there ever be another one? i hope so!) i hate to say it but when "new misfits" material comes out you'll probably dissapointed. especialy since there's talk of combining it with the ktc type stuff. i would however, love to see jerry and doyle do something different. i respect them. i love jerry only's bass sound and playing. but let the misfits die respectfully. i don't advocate glenn not giving any money to the former misfits for all those years. but i don't think jerry and doyle should call their new band misfits. that's glenn and jerry. later. Don "Evil" Dieffenbach ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 21:46:48 -0500 Subject: Glenn/Verotik Last issue "Dave" wrote: Look - The comic store wouldn't be in the hole if they weren't selling his comic. Simple as that. Glenn doesn't have a legal responsibility to help them, but he does have a moral one. I repeat: if retailers see other comic shops hung out to dry for selling a potentially offensive subject, *no one* will carry that product. It simply isn't worth it for a retailer to stock 100 copies of "Glenn's Sex Orgy" #5 and risk legal troubles when they can easily stock 100 more copies of "X-Men Handjob" #108 and make the same money. The end result is comics that push the envelope will be censored by ecomonics... and isn't censoring what Glenn's against? "Look" - I don't want this to be a long running debate. I don't have the time. So this will be my last comment on the issue (for now at least). You said "The comic store wouldn't be in the hole if they weren't selling his comic." You know what they should do then if they feel so oppressed by the all powerful Glenn Danzig? DON'T SELL HIS GODDAMN COMICS! They aren't forced to sell the damn things! Sell something else! There's about a billion titles they could sell instead of the Verotik ones. But they want to make money$$$! They see that they're popular and go for big bucks in some places and want to rake in the all mighty dollar. Glenn wasn't sitting behind the counter making the bastards sell the comics to minors who shouldn't be allowed to buy them in the first place. Many stores haven't even heard of Glenn let alone Verotik. Many stores do sell his comics and sell them in shopping malls next to Kay Bees, not in some back alley jib joint. How come some stores don't get charged with selling obscene material while others do? It's because the ones that get in trouble are pulling shit they shouldn't be. You should have your head examined if you sell any Verotik comic to a minor and not expect to get into deep shit. These stores that get in trouble just want to make a buck and don't care who they sell stuff to. They're not martyrs. They're imbeciles. They got what they deserved. It isn't a "moral issue" ... It's an issue about responsibility. The comic shops have to take responsibility for their moronic actions. I agree with you, if the stores got in trouble for selling the comics PERIOD, I think Glenn should stand up for them. But as I understood it, that wasn't the case. As I understood it, a couple douche bags sold Verotik comics to minors and then got a lot of static for it. If it was just for selling "obscene" material to ANYONE, every porno shop on 42nd across the GW bridge from me would be shut down. It's about responsibility and those comic shops got what they deserved for NOT taking responsibility ... - BILE666. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 01:05:36 -0500 (EST) From: Teevie Subject: Teevie rambles... Hey, I agree with Mark about the Franche tracks being awesome. Nothing against Doyle or Bobby, of course, but it's a shame Franche got stage fright, or whatever it was exactly that made him quit the MIsfits. It would'a been neat if all the songs had that sound to them. Re: who are the Misfits?- I am glad Jerry & Doyle finally have the right to call themselves the 'Fits again. From what I've seen they obviously embody the spirit of fun and fast music that is what the Misfits were really all about. Glenn can do what he wants to do, and that apparently amounts to making a statement with his music (whatever That might be, power, independence, screaming teenage MTV fangirls??), but J&D never got too big for their britches. Long live the Misfits. And if in fact Eerie Von is lurking on the net-- what's up with that Samhain boxed set, man? Are we gonna get a repeat of Glenn's Misfits promises?? I'd like to see that set before I walk with a cane and gum my food. Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 13:30:06 -0500 From: Zodiac Subject: # 123 Fiends, Just a couple of comments: Glenn and Verotika: I agree with the guy a couple of bibles back who said that if he were Glenn, why would he give a shit about some comic shop getting busted for selling his comic? After all, if the guy was busted for selling it to a minor, then he broke the law; he goes to jail/ Anyone who deals in "pornographic" material should realize the restictions on selling this type of thing to minors. If he was arrested for just having the magazines for sale (which I would assume would be contrary to his State's laws governing such products) then the issue is censorship. But why is it Glenn's problem? After all isn't that what the ACLU is for? I believe the U.S. constitution reads Congress shall pass no law restricting freedom of speech. If the guy was arrested for selling the magazine, to adults, his civil rights have probably been violated and he should place a complaint with the ACLU, not with Glenn Danzig. A few years back when the PMRC was cracking down on so-called explicit bands, members of Judas Priest, Dead Kennedys, Alice Cooper, etc. put a fund together to combat this. Why? Because, let's face it, most heavy metal/hard rock bands sell a great deal of thier product to minors. It was their livlihood at stake. But when it comes to Glenn's comics...I'm sure he makes enough money to support himself w/o having to rely on sales of Verotika. Jim Morrison Vs. Glenn Danzig: Who started this ridiculous arguement? Morrison was a very talented musician, as is Glenn. Both of them were excellent songwriters and did what they did extrodinarily well. Just because you prefer one or the other's music does NOT make him any less of what he is. It's like saying Mozart was no good 'cause you don't like classical. I find that attitude very immature. Morrison was a very good muscian, as is Glenn. It is ludicrous to try to say one is better than the other. Leave it at that. Alex13 Good point. I am getting sick of hearing about RATM as well. This is the Misfits Bible, not an ad campaign for RATM. Anyone else agree? Zodiac =============================== "To Serve Man"...IT'S A COOKBOOK! =============================== This message brought to you by Zodiac. E-Mail: abbadon@idirect.com =============================== Some say punk rock died when the Sex Pistols broke up. Others say it died when The Clash wrote "Rock The Casbah". =============================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Nov 1995 21:27:37 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Flemming Subject: Rat Fink origin >From: She > Apparently the band was into the Rat Fink character. He's this demonic > looking rat who drives a motorcycle. They were into the toys and decided > to cover the song, which was originally done by Allan Sherman. For those who don't know, Rat Fink was a character created by Ed "Big Daddy" Roth, the legendary hot rod detailer. Roth came into his own early on into the beatnik era and his work is still regarded as some of the finest custom detailing ever. I would suggest checking out a few of his creations along with that of Von Dutch, there are a couple Web pages devoted to custom cars that feature some of their projects... /| __ ___ ___ __ |\ ******************************| -- -^ \_/ ^- -- |****************** * morrigu@uclink.berkeley.edu \ ---_ _--- / * * & ----^\| _>_<_ |/^---- Robert Flemming * * rflemmin@ced.berkeley.edu / --- / \ --- \ * ************************************\__/| -^- |\__/************************ \ MMM / ------------------------------ From: Osito666@aol.com Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 21:42:59 -0500 Subject: More Mephisto B.M. Fama, You confused me. Were you saying that in the future, anyone with an education and a little maturity won't remember Danzig as having been a genius? I would think that anyone with an education and some maturity, while recognizing pop icons like the ones you mentioned, would look further and also appreciate the less celebrated figures of our time. Despite the confusion, I enjoyed your letter. Also, I meant to imply that Glenn was still in the band when he wrote "Mephisto Waltz". Thanks for making it clear. Mark, I'm convinced, now more than ever, that "Mephisto Waltz" belongs on the collection. That it was written for the Misfits is of greater importance to me than whether or not it was recorded by Samhain. And don't worry, I wasn't riled. Just peeved. Sometimes, your responses seem terse. That's understandable. You've got more to deal with than anyone else on the list. My take on "Mephisto Waltz" wasn't meant to upset you. I don't hate Jerry and Doyle. I don't think Danzig's a saint. I like them all the same. Two years ago, I wrote a letter to the Doyle Fan Club, just wondering how Doyle was doing. I enclosed a SASE, hoping for any kind of a response. Not only did he respond, but he was gracious enough to send me a cassette of Kryst The Conqueror. That meant a lot to me. And twice, since 1992, I've met Danzig. Once, after a concert. The second time, after a radio interview. Both times, he was polite to the point of being cordial. After the concert, he signed autographs for everyone. When one of the girls wanted Chuck's autograph on her poster, Glenn had no qualms over going to the back of the bus to get it for her. He was great with my brother, who was ten years old at the time, going so far as to pull him up on the bus to talk with him. I've never had any sort of contact with Jerry, but from everything I've heard from you and everyone else on the list, he sounds like a nice guy. I like to think the best of them all. I like to think that Glenn had reason to select the songs he did for the collection, that Jerry and Doyle aren't cashing in, and that the music means more to them than their differences. I hope so. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 02:15:07 -0500 From: Daniel Subject: Re: Stuff This is pretty old, but I kept forgetting to send it into the bible, if any of you dont know, here is some shit about the Misfits boxed set, I asked them some questions, and this is what they sent me. >THANKS FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. HERE ARE SOME ANSWERS: > >1) There will be plenty of copies of the Box Set. However, the first >50,000 will be distinctive. > >2) Yes, Earth AD will be in the Box. > >3) The tracks will be pulled from: Collection I, Collection II, Legacy, >Earth AD, Evilive, Static Age and unreleased sessions. The differences >will be primarily sonic as the tracks will be remastered. > >Hope this helps. > >Caroline Records > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Nov 1995 16:41:03 -0400 (AST) From: KEITH Subject: peep this! i haven't been using my computer lately so im not up on my bibles. would someone, anyone mail me and tell me where in the fuck you can get collection II in canada. im in nova scotia, i tried every fucken record store in my whole fuckin city and only two of them ever heard of the misfits. my city sucks. i piss on my city. pssssssssssssss. im too fucken lazy to go through all of the recent bibles so would one of you crazy canadian misfit-heads mail me and tell me what the fuck to do. If any doesn't like me they can mail me and tell me to fuck off and try to put me down, i think its funny. akbicldleaflglhailjlktlhmenfoapgqsrstuvwxyz YEAH! YOU!!.......... ........KEITH ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Nov 1995 00:46:32 -0500 From: Daniel Subject: shit shit shit Here is my opinion on some shit, if you dont care, dont read it. collection ii, yeah, everyone has a opinion about this, personally, i like it. i do like cough/cool, but it is definitly weird. mark is right when he said that mephisto waltz shouldnt have been on the collection ii, it was recorded by samhain appearantly, and should have been in the samhain boxed set instead, sure it was written for the misfits, but it wasnt the misfits. the new misfits, saw the return of the misfits page, cant wait. mike looks cool, chud looks cool, jerry and doyle, same as usual. i just hope they come around here so i can actually see them. and for everyone who thinks that the new misfits is stupid, you just arent ready for something new, it will be cool, i trust jerry and doyles judgement when it comes to this stuff. and if any of you cant get collection ii, then maybe you should look for "beware and the rest" bootleg, it is a cd, and it has most of the rare songs on collection ii that were recorded by the misfits, it is good quality, and if you cant find it, i will record it for you for the price of a tape and postage, same with collection ii and/or any other misfits stuff i have laying around. last... I need a place that will make cd's... i want to take some of my misfits live shows and put them on cd so if you have one, please email me. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 95 01:02:07 EST From: James Sanchez Subject: Boxed Set does anyone know what recordings exactly will be contained in the boxed set? how many cds will make up the set? james ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 95 01:06:03 EST From: James Sanchez Subject: video i know that there was supposed to be a video of an '83 concert in Boston (the one on the Creepy Compilation Vid) released for Flipside, but for legal reasons, it was never released. since Flipside has been releasing concert videos (like Agent Orange and Bad Religion) lately, does anyone know if the Misfits show will be officially released? james ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 95 01:14:58 EST From: James Sanchez Subject: Static Age recording session i noticed that the Static Age session included She and Children in Heat; why aren't those two songs going to be released on Static Age? i guess i'm really asking why those two songs were not included on the original tape for Static Age? January 1978: Mercury Studios; New York, NY ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1 She 1:21 LOB 2a Feline Nursery 1:23 2b Spinal Remains 1:23 LOB 3 Children In Heat The original versions of tracks 4-17 are featured on the STATIC AGE album. __________________________________________________ james ------------------------------ Subject: Old 7"'s From: brian trainor Date: Sat, 25 Nov 95 14:48:17 EST does anyone know where i could order some of the old Misfits 7"'s? i can't find Horror Business or Teenagers From Mars. thanks. Evil Never Dies. Well, sometimes it does. But it comes back. In the last issue, Julian wrote: >For whoever wanted to know about Oi! music, that stuff really belongs to the >skinheads... it was their way of getting in on the punk scene with bands like >Sham 69 and Skrewdriver. As you might imagine there is also a lot of Nazi types >who like Oi! and the whole culture is a lot less 'fun' (if that's the right >word) than straight forward punk. I'd never class the Misfits as Oi!... if >anything they are more psychobilly a la the Meteors and suchlike. > You're right on one count-- there's is no possible way that the Misfits are classified as Oi! As for the other...unfortunately, Oi! does seem to have a reputation as being racist or Nazi, Skrewdriver-type music. This probably stems from people hearing the word "skinhead" and thinking Nazis. All the others who gave their explanations regarding "working-class" music and the like are more on target. The original skinheads stood for these values, not for racism and anti-semitism. Someone else uttered this: >Pink and CG: JM a genius? yeah, whatever. I originally wasn't gonna >respond to this, as I 'm so sick of the comparisons to JM, but after CG's >post I must. BTW CG, when you say "Glenn's imagery is more commonly >accepted than Jm's" (sorry if I didn't quote you verbatim), what >dimension is this in? Last I heard The Doors sold about a zillion more >records than Danzig ever has. -Omission >I like some Doors stuff, but I say again (and I hope for the last time) >that Glenn is a better singer, songwriter, and performer than JM was in >every way. As for diversity, Glenn has written music labelled as punk, >industrial ,metal, country, and classical. And concerning who wrote >"dark" music first: JM obviously because he was born first, but GD cut to save space > No, they didn't record >any music, but JM's poetry is shit compared to these geniuses, and much >of his writing is crap no matter to whose you compare it. > >Also, don't buy this juvenile bullshit about "revolutionary figures" as >JM and Kurt Cobain are portrayed as...future history texts may make >reference to Elvis, Marilyn, and the Beatles, but JM, KC, Hendrix, and >yes, even Glenn will never be remembered as "geniuses" or important >people, at leats not by anyone with an education and a little maturity. Personally I am a great JM fan, and I do believe he was a sort of genius--musical genius that is. True, he and Hendrix and Danzig (don't even put them in the same breath as Cobain) will not be remembered like others; great physicists like Newton or classical composers like Bach, but they have created something unlike anyone else could. And also true, they are not gods..anyone who elevates musical (or sports, anything) stars to that status needs to start thinking for himself. Although I don't agree with you in your dislike of JM, I do agree on this: > >Please, all you who love badmouthing a guy you don't even know, please >say something to his face. Sad that that had to be said, but oh well. Some people need a beating to get sense into them. As for this one: > Oi is used in alot of things too. In AC/DC's "TNT" they say "Oi! >Oi! Oi!" all the time. Actually, in that song they're chanting "hey hey hey", but with the strong Australian accents, it comes out sounding sort of Oi. And lastly: >My last post got cut off so here I am to clear it up. Glenn gave >"Mephisto Waltz" to the Misfits but they butchered it. They couldn't >get it right so Glenn did himself the right way. Right on Glenn! >4p > You're just a wealth of information. I thought the issue was settled. He wrote it with the misfits, recorded it with Samhain. Simple. No "butchering" by the Misfits was involved. I'll refrain from rudeness this time. On a final note (sigh of relief from the weary readers), more than stupidity, there's been quite a lot of hostility lately, especially regarding the whole Rage/sellout thread, which strikes me as an irrelevant thread in the first place. Like someone said, this is the Misfits Bible. And who cares how much money they're getting paid? If they do have a message, it's getting across to a wider area. It pisses me off when people get a punker-than-thou attitude about bands that they think have sold out...they can do that all they want when they're poor musicians who suddenly get offered a million dollar check and turn it down. (of course, Rancid did it and people still call them sellouts) Oh well. I'll stop, or I'll go on forever. Sorry for the length, Tepes ----------- warren@bigdog.fred.net bk902@freenet.buffalo.edu _________ / | \ / | \ | | | | /|\ | \ / | \ / \_/__|__\_/ FIGHT WAR, NOT WARS ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 16:04:18 +0100 From: Franz Ardito Subject: Collection II It's finally arrived here in Italy too..(it was about time) and I got my copy yesterday. I actually liked this CD, first of all because the sound quality is far better than all the others Misfits' CDs and because there are some interesting tunes like Mephisto Waltz (I agree with you all: it sounds like Samhain), the new version of Cough/Cool (personally I like this one because it sounds like that underground/electronic/darkish stuff: it doesn't sound like the majority of Misfits' stuff anyways) and the WAU "revisited" songs. There are a couple of things that I didn't like: too much reverb in some songs(e.g. Hatebreeders), no lyrics for Mephisto Waltz (why?), and the price: I spent =A340.000, Italian currency, that corresponds to= $30(thirty!!!) U.S. dollars: I understand the import fees and all that stuff, but $30 are a lot of money! Well, I had some extra cash, so...:( Anyways I think this CD is not _really_ necessary for those who has all the previous Misfits stuff, but I think that is a good place to start for "novices". I would grade it with a B (for the effort) Greetings Franz Ardito =20 e-mail: vag1865@iperbole.bologna.it >From somewhere in Italy.. "I'm the kind of guy your mother warned you about" =20 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Nov 1995 12:17:00 -0500 From: ScreamingSlave Subject: -=Subscribe=- Greetings Everyone, I hear the Misfits "bible" is back up, and I am sending you mail letting you know that I wish to be on the mailing list, Anything for the Misfits and their fans Well thanks, Zombies, and Whores Screaming Slave =20 =B3 If you didnt care for me, =B3 =B3 And if I didnt care for you, =B3 =B3 We would, zig zag our way through the =B3 =B3 Boredom and pain, glancing up through the=B3 =B3 rain, wondering which of the buggers to =B3 =B3 blame, Watching, and Waiting..... =B3 =B3 For pigs on the wing... - Pink Floyd =B3 =20 -Peace Love, Sex and Drugs -Miles- ------------------------------ From: Drslfin@aol.com Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 11:25:56 -0500 Subject: Re: some comments Well here we are again. Some person is bashing another for expressing an opinion and then others jump on because they think that they have the righteous views and we all get saddled with more bullshit. Well it's my turn to vent. First of all everyone who has attacked, insulted and fucked with crimson ghost need to calm the fuck down. He, like yourselves is a misfits fan. If he were here bashing the misfits then fine you should fuck with him, but he's just talking and sharing what else he likes. So let him say what he wants. Everyone else loves to tell about their influences and favorite songs and other shit that I could care less about. I haven't seen anyone else be bashed for sharing their opinion no matter how stupid. Another thing is the johnny come latelys on this list. I don't know of how many people here have actually seen the misfits play. And I don't think it matters. I only saw them with Glenn once. I was only 13 years old. Mark, who goes to all the trouble of maintaining this bible has only been into the band for a few years. And he's as dedicated a fan as I've ever seen. Lastly is the way lots of people seem to want to bash Glenn. Look, you may not like that he has given the misfits shit, or that he has not talked about the band anymore, but WHO CARES? The band was cool, they changed and broke up. Glenn went onto other stuff, so did Jerry and Doyle. I think that Glenn brought moreof the misfits fans to his new projects than Jerry and Doyle did. And the sudden popularity of the fits is more from people seeing Danzig than Kryst. But that doesn't make anyone more or less important. I think the reason that most of you are pissed is that when you take some misfits stuff to Glenn to get signed and he says no, so you start acting like a 6 year old and throw a tantrum. Damn thats alot of shit for one bible. If I hurt your feelings tough shit. Try to promote the music not the rumours and little games. "Whats T.R. mean?" " It stands for The Rejected." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 14:04:36 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Time "B.M. Fama" Said: >Pink and CG: JM a genius? yeah, whatever. I originally wasn't gonna >respond to this, as I 'm so sick of the comparisons to JM, but after CG's >post I must. BTW CG, when you say "Glenn's imagery is more commonly >accepted than Jm's" (sorry if I didn't quote you verbatim), what >dimension is this in? Last I heard The Doors sold about a zillion more >records than Danzig ever has. You should be sorry you didn't quote me directly, what are you a journalism major? (just a joke) ;) this is my exact quote: "People don't relate as well to Jim's style because of all the symbolism. Danzig uses alot of sybolism also, it's just not as deep. I just feel sorry for your email addy, I think you will get alot of fallout from this. I'm over-simplifying things here" Obviously I oversimplified too much. I left it sounding the absolute opposite of what I was thinking at the time. I posted this at 7:30 am before I went to work and I probably didn't get enough caffiene in my system yet. Try it again! "People don't relate as well to Jim's style because of all the symbolism. They relate to it for the music, the interaction of Melody and Harmony. You must look deeper into the doors music to truly understand what Jim is trying to say. Danzig uses alot of sybolism also, it's just not as deep. And the music is not Mainstream so it will never sell like the Door's. Comparing GD & JM on this level is not fair. But there are so many similarities that you cannot possibly over look them. I'm having a hard time expressing what I'm thinking so bear with me. Danzig's music is for the most part (oversimplifying again) remedial. He's a singer and songwriter. To be into danzig you MUST listen to the words. And yes before the flames consume me, the Misfits were remedial too. however, they had something going for them that Danzig does not, Raw unproduced power. When the Misfits went into a studio to record the music was done live, with little overdubs. I've heard tales from friends that they went in turned everything to 10 played the tune and left. I doubt Rick Rubin would ever let Danzig capture energy in that way, it wouldn't sell records. I can't believe that you don't think danzig could have been influenced by JM. yeah right just like George Harrison wasn't influenced by he's so fine. For you to say that "I 'm so sick of the comparisons to JM" is really foolish. How can you not compare them, for christ's sake they definately sound alike and practically look alike. I don't know why a person like danzig refuses to admit that he was influenced by Jim Morrison. JM was an intelligent guy, As is Glenn. Glenn want's to go down in history as being influenced by Elvis, the Michael Jackson of the 50's & 60's. Just doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong I like Elvis but he was a singer, JM was more danzig like; a singer, songwriter and band leader. >You obviously hate him CG, but I at least give you credit for >having a unique perspective, because you know the Caiafas so well. I >think this biases you alot, but I know my fandom of Danzig, Samhain, and >the Misfits also biases me. Fair enough? I think Hate is an awfully strong word. I don't hate him. If I didn't like him in some respect I wouldn't be on this list. He was, admittingly, the catylyst in every band he's ever been in, no denying that. I like him as an artist, as a businessman he's shrewd and "fox smart" as a person he leaves very little to be desired. He has succeeded in alienating EVERYONE that's ever played with him, all for the desire of greener pastures. For the record I like the Misfits, I'm not thrilled with Samhain and Danzig I & II are pretty good. 4p was catchy at first but grew old real fast. I'm not fascinated by some horseshit like incantation. There are two distinct groups on this list, the people that think Danzig can do no wrong and the rest of us. Since the list is called the Misfits Bible and he's no longer in the band, I think I have some leeway here. All I'm saying is the guy has quite a few faults and he wipes his ass like the rest of us. Maybe I do unjustly attack him at times, but his actions speak very loud. --- Fair Enough? Brian Trainor Said: >also, i would like to take this time to say GLENN DANZIG CAN DIE FOR ALL >I CARE. he and his ego are the two worst things that could ever happen >to a band. it's not suprising Eerie left Danzig. And you people think I hate Glenn. Brain I think you should seek help now before it's too late. Paul Hahn Said: >while your posts are interesting, ending w/ "back when there were 50 >people, we'd have crucified him" is sorta hypocritical. what makes you >the source for what can be discussed or posted. w/o 2 sided discussion >no one can see other sides of an issue, isn't that what you want, or do >you want them to see your issues only? This comment was made in reference to 2 posts only. The one about the FREE posters for sale & the one trying to get Michale's email addy. The former being Illegal and the latter being plain rude. This comment was in no way referring to the other "Hatebreeding" that's been going on. I love 2 sided conversation and although I'm not swayed easily I tend to back down when someone makes some good points in opposition to what I say. Such as the RATM thread, I'm no longer responding to anyone on this, both sides have made good points. I think we've explored it thoroughly. So far the only person who could keep me under control is EVB, maybe that's because she's my age, we've been there done that. And yes I miss her posts very much, they balanced the list quite well. "Nathan D. Lequieu" Said: >fellow fiends... >join me in voting for Crimson Ghost for president 1996. >he has earned it... >CG---thanks for the lively posts, I enjoy them and look forward to them >every issue. > >RATM suck, Misfits rule... >need I say more... Sarcasm duly noted!! %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * Frank Zappa % % "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ From: 102567.422@compuserve.com Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 17:40:58 -0500 Subject: Collection II & Mephitso Waltz Lyrics Hey Everybody I just got collection II in the mail on Friday and I've been listening to it all weekend. I think that it rules! This was the first time that I have heard most of the songs on the disc, except for the WAU tracks and Horror Hotel (Horror_H.au). They were just awesome, Last Caress has to be one of the best tunes I've ever heard. As somebody said in issue #22: >I think one of the most interesting aspects of the Misfits were >there "playful" attitude with the entire horror image. For instance >take the song Last Caress: The actual images are actually repulsive >if I take them seriously. But the song is almost poppy in my opinion >with the light guitar and Glenn's voice is not of some murder who >just raped my mother. This comment is "oh so true" and is what makes Last Caress such an awesome song. Anyways I liked the whole album (I'm not complaining) but I do think that the WAU tracks are better on the WAU album. I listened to Mephitso Waltz and I think that I figured out the lyrics, so for all you people out there who don't want to waste your time figuring them out you can use this and probabally end up changing it. Waltz, Let it play a bit faster Waltz,The sun don't shine (?) Waltz, To the Devil's depot Waltz, It's gonna be so great Who Oh Oh (x3) Who Waltz, Into the darkest feeling Waltz, Without a record go Waltz, To the Devil's ballet Waltz, To Mephitso Waltz, To the Devil's dance Waltz, And at twelve I pray Waltz, Let us go a little faster Waltz, It's gonna be so great Who oh oh (x3) Who Waltz, Let us get a little faster Waltz, The sun don't shine (?) Waltz, To the Devil's depot Waltz, It's gonna be so great (x4)Who oh oh Who oh oh Who Who (x3) Waltz I think maybe one of the reasons that the lyrics weren't in the booklet is because this would take up more space then Bloodfeast and would require not only another page but also Glenn's work to write out the lyrics becasue none of us had heard this song before. If anybody thinks that these lyrics are incorrect please post it so I can find out the corrections. Thanks! Scott Onuczko ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Nov 1995 19:59:28 -0600 From: David Arthur Aufox Subject: crystal waltz i was just reading my old issue of thrasher with glann on the cover, in which he was interviewed by pusshead i believe. in that interview he mentions a song called crystal waltz, am i right to assume that it was another name of mephisto waltz? also i have noticed a bunch of people are getting shitty over this whole thing about whther the song should have been on it. i would have expected more maturity abouy discussing it from many of the people. as mark has pointed out it was recorded by samhain. this thread had bascily been split into those ho like gelnn and those who didn't. well i will just say this about the song. i have been in many bands as not only the guitar player and sometimes vocalist but as the main and sometimes only songwriter in the band. if i ever wrote a song for band "a" and then for some reason ended up playing it and recording it with band "b", i would never try and pass it off as being band "a" when it is not, that is called fraud, in my opinion, and misrepersentation. it doesn't matter who the song was written for, all that matters is who is playing on it. that is my opinion on it. as far as glann being the misfits infering that everyone esle is replacible. i think most people who are and have been in bands will agree with me, that you could write a song and have two seperete groups of people play the exact same parts the same and it will still sound different. that is becasue each person plays his own way and has his own style. that is why the different eras of the misfits sound differnet even when they are playing the same songs. musically glenn was 1/4 of the misfits, and could not do it all himself... when he has tried to do so, it doesn't sound very good in terms of quality... anybody can do everything in teh studio himself, glenn, ternt reznor, billy corgin, but can they do it live? no. those bands except nin were formed as bands... thus they have almost broken up when one person exhibts too much control... regardless that he wrote the song, glenn is not the band called the misfits, he was just teh songwriter... big difference, even gelnn would say that i think... just look at the songs that were for samhain that the misfits did, and listen to glenn bitch about how they are different. this post has become more than i originally intended it to. also please don't bother to respond to this post\ if you are unable to do it intelligently. thanks. -dave ------------------------------ From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:40:50 EDT Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #122 for bible re: "Oi!" well some "Oi" bands orginally were nazi-skinhead bands, but then some of these bands stopped being nazi-skins, but stayed "skins", and although they stopped preaching nazi crap, they continued to say "Oi!" in their songs, check bands as Rancid, Bouncing Soles, etc for "Oi!" influence.... ------------------------------ From: KENNEY@salem.wvnet.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 19:06:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: collection2 static age, other stuff OK I finally heard collection 2 and overall I was impressed. I'll agree with those few people who posted that it IS nice to walk into a record store and see a huge Collection 2 poster staring off the wall at them. Why bitch; this is the first time in years that something "new" has been released from them. Everything sounded really good though I admit I like the WAU mixes on here a lot less than the originals. Another thing is that I am sick of hearing people bitch about Danzig. Sure, he isn't the nicest guy in the world, but he WAS an integral member of this band we all love so much, so why is it that so many people post all these hate letters concerning him? He was int he misfits and now he isn't and sure he's screwing them out of a lot of money and being a general dick to them but do we all know the full story behind everything? Didn't think so. Maybe he has reason to act like he does. But I was wondering 1 thing. remember that superock interview on mtv w/danzig last spring & he said he hates going to concerts and seeing kids with these misfits boots that they think are real and paid a few hundred for? he kept saying that he hated that these people were charging outrageous money for something that only cost them a few bucks to make. So aFTER hearing him say this you would figure that he would want to get original versions out to these kids so they wouldn't have to resort to buying expensive rip-offs to hear them. But what does he do? Puts out mixes that might not even be the Misfits and totally re-does other songs (cough/cool). I think that all the songs sound good and all but I still don't understand how his mind works sometimes. Ok what's this about Static age? The discog says it'll be released on lp and limited cd sometime in 96 (february?). But I also read that it will be in the boxed set. then i read that the whole damn thing was canceled. What's up? I thought it wasn 't canceled, just pushed from it's halloween release date to a few months later when danzig threateed to sue if it came out before his collection 2. Anyway, I just want the dam lp, especially if it's on colored wax. My Collection 2 is on clear/white vinyl, it looks great. Static age looks like it might be the best dam album yet so it better be released (are you listening, Caroline?) I read in an old Bible that Tim Truman was working on the Samhain boxed set. Is this still true? I like Samhain, especially now that I've even heard a NEW song of their's (ahem.....Mephitso Waltz)....For the boxed art Danzig needs Truman and fucking Simon Bisley. I saw in a strore the other day this SNES game called Weapon Lord and the cover is by Bisley of these barbarians just chopping each other up..... perfect cover for something by Samhain, I think. Later, all, Joe ------------------------------ From: evan obrien Subject: SHUT THE FUCK UP Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:25:08 -0500 (EST) Crimson Ghost - do us all a favor and write these people personally. yeah, your words may have importance, but not to all. i really don't give a shit about what degree somebody's getting! maybe being aroung since the start has made you a little foolish. ugh! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 22:01:18 EST From: ken corch Subject: Glenn's new bandmates I am new to the newsletter so if this question has already been brought up please don't get mad. I was wondering who Glenn's new band members are? I know about John and Eerie leaving, but is Joe Castillo still there and who are the other two(if there are any)? Thanks Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Nov 95 19:08 PST From: Kent Bendall Subject: cover band/San Francisco I was away for about a week so i didn't get a chance to pipe up right away about Craig Walter's cover band bashing a few bibles ago. Fortunately, Keith Noss of Devilock summed up almost perfectly what i was going to say. The main reason the guys in The AstroZombies (my 'tribute' band) do what we do is for fun. We're not out to make money (who in their right mind would pay to hear a bunch of fools scream '8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8,8' anyways!), its a hobby - something to get together with friends and do. Unlike Devilock, however, we don't do any originals. When we play, we pretend we ARE the Misfits. Again, its all in fun. We like to think of it as like a school play, we have our costumes and props, rehearse our lines, and just try to put on a good show. I can't believe that someone could have a problem with that. I feel sorry for people who don't get it, its all about having fun. And if we entertain some other people at the same time, fine. I mean, no one out here is ever gonna see the real Misfits - so why not put on a "puppet show" version, people can dance and sing along and have a good time. Speaking of having a good time... Lately this list has been kind of negative in its overall feel. I've read a slew of the back issues, and have been reading bi-weekly since last Spring. But the magic and spark that used to be there seems to be dying out. I know only so much can be said about one band but.. i just don't look forward to Tuesdays and Thursdays like i used to. A note to Neil McAllister (bible#122) and anyone else in San Francisco having trouble finding FitsII - - I was down there last week for a little holiday, and found what i needed in a store called Neurotic. Its at 1100 Folsom at 7th (415-552-8069). I bought Collection2 on CD and vinyl, as well as an Italian import of Collection I and an Undead 7" !! As for another personal review of the new record, forget it. I'll just say that its nice to finally have something new to buy, although i wish there was a band listing or at least a mention of the other Misfits in the booklet. Another strike against Glenn. And as far as Verotika #4 goes, it made me stop buying Glenn's comics. I don't see *anything* of merit in a graphic, brutal rape fantasy - and it made me mad at Danzig for publishing such crap. (I got nothing against crap - but i think this went too far). The anouncement about rape awareness week a while back therefore, was Misfits/Danzig related but some didn't think it belonged- i guess you wanted more space for your RATM rants. ...kent... ------------------------------ From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 15:51:31 EDT Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #122 for bible anyone out there-if you have trouble finding ANYTHING on cd from misfits or samhain, e-mail me, basically every single store around here has mostly all of their releases..all i will ask for is the cost of the cd, and the postage.... love goat kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu ------------------------------ From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu Date: Mon, 27 Nov 1995 16:05:03 EDT Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #123 re: David Greco you are misinformed and incorrect, don't post what you don't know, most Oi! is infact NOT racist, that is like saying most Metal is satanic, or something ignorant like that...actually an Oi! band not need say the word "Oi!" in order to be classified as one... nuff said as for RATM-well an all right band, I heard that they have a few albums out in europe that they didn't want to release them here..never seen em though, and as far as I know they were not bootlegged... adempz---email me bro---- later xxx don't forget the struggl xxx later love goat- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 11:17:45 -0500 From: Brent Christopher Eyestone Subject: Evil is.../Hymns From... Hi All - Hope this makes it in for Tuesday's issue! Well, TONS of requests have been pouring in for the "Members Only" video and audio that EVB and I once made available for Bible members a while back. As I have already told many of you, the video will remain out of print until I head home for Christmas (where I have access to a duplicator). The audio has been and will remain available. We used to make obtaining these tapes rather simple, just send in a specific amount for postage and it was yours. UNFORTUNATELY a few good-for-nothing-thieving- wanna-get-rich-quick-piece-of-shit bootleggers caught wind of this and before you knew it, I saw advertisements for our product all over the internet and a few horribly copied bootlegs of our tapes on shelves at a few stores and a couple record shows. All of the "Not For Sale" etc. info had been whited out from the sleeves and then re-xeroxed. I will not give names - you thieving cocksuckers know who you are and if you ever venture beyond the safe confines of your computer/dubbing room and into my sight, you will be the recipient of an old fashioned DC beatdown. I realize that this group is outnumbered by true Misfits fans who really want to get copies for their private use. And I want to make sure that you all will get what you crave. So here is what I'm going to do. First of all, props to the Crimson Ghost and Mark for giving me this idea. In Thursday's bible there will appear another quiz, written by me. Answer the majority of them correctly, and you will be ELIGIBLE to receive your copies of the video and/or audio for tape cost plus shipping. I will contact you via e-mail if I feel that you are a *fan* and not a bootlegger. Sound easy? It will be if you have read your back issues! It will be a pain in the ass if you're a worthless bootlegger, sifting through back issues trying to find the answers... Thanks for your time - Brent "How fast can you run?" - Samuel, 'Our Baby Outlaw" ------------------------------ From: Doug Ahern Subject: misfits Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 9:03:36 EST hi, you sent me mail along time ago. today was the first time I ever read mail on that particular machine so here goes.... Here's what Malcolm Riviera had to said about this picture: Wilson Center, Washington, DC, Oct, 22, 1982. This was taken at one of the Wilson Center shows that I staged during my brief career as a punk rock concert promotor. I'll never forget their soundcheck: they had triple Marshall stacks on each side of the stage, and when they hit the first note, BOOM! the power blew after about 2 seconds! They had to disconnect half their amps just to do the gig, but they were still brutally loud. What an amazing band! The funny thing is that although they were the headlining act (along with Government Issue, Void, and the Necros), people pretty much hated the Misfits in those days. They were so weird looking that no one would admit to liking them! Nowdays so many people talk about how great they were, etc., but the truth is that they were considered unco uncool by most of the hardcore punks when they were still around, which is really too bad. The Misfits were totally pro (the only band that ever had me sign a contract i for a show!). could blow away any hardcore band on a good night, and were actually really nice guys, despite the horror-core make up they wore. ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. MMMM MMMM MMMMM MMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTTTTTT MMMMM MMMMM III SSSS FFFFF III TTTTTT SSSSS MMMMMM MMMMMM IIII SSSSSSS FFF IIII TTTT SSS SS MMMMMMMMMMMMMM IIII SSSS SS FFFFFFF III TTT SSSS MMM MMMMMM MMM III SSSSS FFFFFF III TTT SSSSSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSSS FFF IIII TTT S SSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSS SSS FFF IIII TTT SSS SSSS M M MM MM II SSSSSS FFF III TT SSSSSSS M F II top Misfits Bible, Number 125 Thursday, November 30th 1995 Today's Topics: Re: Misfits Bible, #124 Jerry Cantrell & Glenn Re: Misfits Bible, #124 mailto:msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu Teevie finally got Collection II... #124 Glenn... Stuff response to A.V. Stop critisizing Glenny Boy Last Time Bible #124 Verotika Members Only Eligibility contest mailto:msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu Misfits Movies ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #124 Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 14:55:07 -0500 (EST) > From: Osito666@aol.com > riled. Just peeved. Sometimes, your responses seem terse. That's > understandable. You've got more to deal with than anyone else on the list. Indeed my responses are not always the friendliest and I apologize to everyone for this. Sometimes it really gets me down to think of all the time that I put into maintaing the web page and this mailing list and the discography on the page, only to have to see the same ridiculous questions every week. This whole Mephisto issue seems to be separating the MISFITS fans from the GLENN fans. I realize that most of us fall into both categories, but I think it's obvious which one I would choose if I had to choose just one. > From: James Sanchez > i noticed that the Static Age session included She and Children in Heat; why > aren't those two songs going to be released on Static Age? > > January 1978: Mercury Studios; New York, NY > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1 She 1:21 LOB > 2a Feline Nursery 1:23 > 2b Spinal Remains 1:23 LOB > 3 Children In Heat This is a good question, one for which I've never gotten a good answer from Franche' and Jerry. When they made the final master tape back in '78, they just left off those 3 songs. I guess they didnt' care about She since it had already been released and perhaps they didn't like the way Chilrern turned out. > From: brian trainor > does anyone know where i could order some of the old Misfits 7"'s? i > can't find Horror Business or Teenagers From Mars. thanks. Don't worry. Nobody will ever find a Teenagers From Mars single. I guarantee it. > From: David Arthur Aufox > Subject: crystal waltz > > i was just reading my old issue of thrasher with glann on the cover, in which > he was interviewed by pusshead i believe. in that interview he mentions a > song called crystal waltz, am i right to assume that it was another name > of mephisto waltz? also i have noticed a bunch of people are getting shitty I am 1000000000000000% certain that Pushead misinterpreted what Glenn said and wrote Crystal instead of Mephisto. In fact, that's exactly what it says in Part III of the MIsfits discography on the page. > in the band. if i ever wrote a song for band "a" and then for some reason > ended up playing it and recording it with band "b", i would never try and > pass it off as being band "a" when it is not, that is called fraud, in my > opinion, and misrepersentation. it doesn't matter who the song was written > for, all that matters is who is playing on it. that is my opinion on it. as mine too. > From someone: > Ok what's this about Static age? The discog says it'll be > released on lp and limited cd sometime in 96 (february?). But > I also read that it will be in the boxed set. then i read that > the whole damn thing was canceled. What's up? I thought it It will be included in the box and then perhaps later by itself. mark ------------------------------ From: Jaymz666@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:37:57 -0500 Subject: Jerry Cantrell & Glenn I was talking to a guy who hung out with Metallica for a bit and either Jaymz or Kirk told him that Jerry Cantrell of Alice in Chains was contributing some guitar parts for Danzig V. Thought I'd share that little tidbit. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 16:49:00 -0500 From: Miles@postoffice.ptd.net (ScreamingSlave) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #124 >You're right on one count-- there's is no possible way that the Misfits are >classified as Oi! As for the other...unfortunately, Oi! does seem to have a >reputation as being racist or Nazi, Skrewdriver-type music. This probably >stems from people hearing the word "skinhead" and thinking Nazis. All the >others who gave their explanations regarding "working-class" music and the >like are more on target. The original skinheads stood for these values, not >for racism and anti-semitism. allright, im not sure if this is HOW I should post this but being a big fan of punk, and Oi! punk I have always thought of Oi! punk as the original now called "ska" music.. For even The Queers and UkSubs have been considered Oi!.. So.. anyway fuk. Evil never dies.... We shall never die... Live in vain.. Die in pain.. -Screaming Slave ------------------------------ From: 7065.Heise.Rd@ns.net99.net, Clarence.Ctr@ns.net99.net, Subject: mailto:msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 17:20:21 EST Hi, fiends! This is my first post. I'll keep it short. I can't find any Collection II's in the stores after I bought mine. Is new artwork coming out? Also, I'm in Buffalo. Any chance of the 'Fits coming out here? Catch you later... Josh "Make sure your face is clean now..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 17:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Teevie Subject: Teevie finally got Collection II... Yeah, I finally got the thing after UPS buzzed my place twice when I wasn't home. My Collection II LP is on red vinyl... how many colors was this thing pressed on, anyway?? I haven't had a chance to listen to the thing yet, but right away I noticed the packaging was really cheap, which depressed me a bit since packaging is a primary reason why I still buy vinyl. I mean, the thing looks like a second-rate bootleg with its monochrome color and ONE freakin' picture. And of course it _is_ obvious that the lyric transcription was taken from Mark's page. I morbidly looked in the credits to see if it said "Transcription: Mark Kennedy" but of course no dice. I mean, "8, 8, 8, 8, 8, 8 (etc. from We Are 138)" is cool for posterity on a lyrics archive run by a Misfits fan, but when you're producting an *official*(and I won't even begin to comment on the ramifications of that word) Misfits album it just looks cheezy. "Hmmm..." said Glenn, "when I drag my mouse _here_ it says 'Cut and Paste.' Neat. Now I won't get any blisters from typing." As I said, I haven't heard the thing yet, but yes I am wary of the line "All tracks produced by Glenn Danzig and SPOT" as someone else previously pointed out.... hmmm.... Still, I'm not really complaining. Nobody twisted my arm to buy the fucking thing, and I'm sure I'll love all the tracks if only out of anal-retentive collectors' interest, in the same way the blatant Beatles Archive ploy makes me drool. I'm hooked. Any new Misfits tracks I can get my hands on is gold to me, retarded overdubs or no. What can ya do? Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 19:41:24 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: #124 okay boys...another set of responses: To "EvilDieff" (is that Evil Don?): I agree re: Glenn/Misfits. BTW, "Evil Never Dies" comes from the movie "The She Creature." I can't remember for sure, but I think it's 1950-something. Bile666: agreed again re: Verotik/CBLDF Zodiak: same as above...BTW, I get the impression some of you think Glenn is saying that if the store owners sell the stuff to minors, that they should be hung out to dry...this is probably true, but the response he gave Peter David was more along the lines of "the CBLDF is useless/outmoded"...he called them an "after-the-fact organization" and says they will ultimately lose if they play by someone else's rules. THAT is he reason he gave for not contributing money. Also, one of you (sorry, I forgot to check) said Glenn can make enough $$ without Verotik...*ABSOLUTLEY* true. Verotik is an extremely obscure company, and aside from that, as publisher, Glenn must foot most of the bills for operations himself. Plus, it's reported he pays much higher royalties + wages to creators than is common in the comics market. I would hazard to say that almost ALL of Verotiks sales come from Danzig fans such as myself...the vast majority of stores (I'm not talking about huge stores in L.A. like Golden Apple etc) won't carry Verotik because: a)few people want it b) content c)they just haven't heard of it. Usually you have to specifically ask for them to be ordered, and even then some stores will hesitate (because of the graphic sex and violence). I used to buy like 1000 comics a year, and I must admit I would not have thought to read Verotik if Glenn wasn't involved. Then again Frazetta and Bisley don't hurt... Also, Kent: I read Verotika #4, and I must admit I was a little disturbed...not so much becasue of the depictions, but more so that the guys in the story ("A Taste of Cherry") got away alive. The escaping of the law/justice is even more unheard of (in comics) than the actual drawing of the evil acts so graphically. In a way, I was disturbed, but...it's just a story. BTW, "DevilMan", "Death Dealer" , "Jaguar God" and (*to an extent*) "Satanika" aren't really that bad...(not that I'd want kids reading them) but "Verotika" is the title (so far) that will cause most of the legal problems. All of Glenn's comics are nicely illustrated, most of the stories aren't bad...but he still hasn't topped "The Amazing Spider-Man #1-38". Those are the best comics ever. < Subject: Glenn... Date: Tue, 28 Nov 1995 18:48:13 -0500 (EST) I am a very new Misfits fan.. I just read something where Glenn Danzing totally rips apart British culture.. Why? I'll check old bibles for more info. Btw Hi Tom Farrel and Evan.. The two biggest Misfits fans I know... they got me into it.. Tom's band (Undermine) does an awesome version of "Die Die.." and my band (soon to be on a very small labels Misfits tribute ablum) is doing a version of "Where Eagles Dare" If anyone has a good version of a Misfits song they want to send me.. I may be able to get it on the comp. I hope to do "Astro Zombies" soon cause it's one of my all time favorite songs. By the way we're all Misfits fans, why are we arguing all the time. Can't we all get along? Btw any other Harry Chapin/Zappa fans out there? Write to me. Mail Misfits songs to 24 Starlight Drive Commack, Ny, 11725 Thanks guys I look forward to future bibles ------------------------------ Date: Tue Nov 28 19:00:14 1995 From: Haskin Douglas CDT Subject: Stuff Greetings everyone. It's been a while since I've written in, but I've got a couple of questions: 1.) A while ago something was mentioned about the Misfits putting on a show sometime around Christmas, and people on the bible could get first shot at it. Has anyone heard anything else about this? 2.) I was wondering about that Max's Christmas album. If Glenn has a problem with Jerry and Doyle overdubbing some parts on it, why can't they use an unedited tape of the show? I'm sure they have an unedited copy lying around somewhere. Unless they just recorded over their one and only original tape, which I doubt they would do. 3.) I was curious about what Danzig was up to lately. Have they (I say "they" assuming there is still someone else in the band besides Glenn) finished recording Danzig 5 yet? Wasn't Glenn also going to do another album like Black Aria? Well, thanks for taking the time to read my questions, and I appreciate any help anyone can give me. Later. Doug ------------------------------ From: Jesse Skam Subject: response to A.V. Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 21:52:24 GMT+0000 >Before I completely lose what my opinion was: I dont care how much money they >earn, as long as I like what they are doing, as long as they like what they are >doing, its ok for me. And if there is some sort of message in their songs, its >still important if they earn money, its even more important if millions of >people listen to it or see it on MTV. I can't completely agree with this. I suppose I can't really complain if I've discovered a band through the mainstream scene (if that's what you call it). BUT, as with most punk, it's really frustrating to spend a whole shitload of time trying to locate a certain album or to find ANYTHING that certain bands might have put out, only to find out that in a year or two, their stuff is sold at every Record Town or Strawberries in the world. I know that I speak for many people when I say that it is extremely gratifying to search and search and finally find what you are looking for and get it home and crank it up as loud as the stereo will go. Plus, it's great to be able to see a band for $6 bucks (with two other bands). That doesn't happen when a band goes mainstream--5,000 people line up for $25 tickets, and little kids get mom and dad to call in with a credit card order. I know, my reasons are all selfish ones.... I give a band all the credit that they deserve if they get their message out to millions of people, but I'll still refuse to shell out more than $12 or $15 bucks for an hour set..... Layta', Jesse Skam ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Son of Skam fanzine --- POB 781 --- Granby, CT --- 06035 sonofskam@vwc.edu "The dog made us do it...." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: Sean Subject: Stop critisizing Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:31:03 +0000 Okay!! So listen up! All I hear from you people is: this is wrong, that is wrong, should have been done this way, and should have been done that way!! SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! I'm sick of that crap!! The Misfits release a new album for the first time in over 10 years and all you can do is bitch???? Stop comparing these songs to the old versions!!! I like the whole damn album!!! Even Cough/Cool!! This is the clearest versions of any misfits songs you can find anywhere!! Sure they are re-mixed!!But christ its 1995!! The Misfits are just keeping up with the times!!!!Who are you to judge anyway?? Are you in the BAND?? No!!! Then shut UP!!! SHUT THE HELL UP!! No body wants to hear you pathetic put downs on a great piece of music history!!! Listen up, listen well. Shut your mouth, or go to hell! ME ------------------------------ Subject: Glenny Boy From: brian trainor Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 21:58:17 EST i, persoanlly, think that Glenn got too big for his damn britches. that's why i don't like him. so sue me, i'm a freakin' idealist. i hate rock stars;) oh, and hi miles;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 08:48:30 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Time To Brent: Re: your "Member's Only" Tapes First off welcome back, long time no post. It figures that someone on this list would pull some shit like that. (ie: bootlegging your member's only tapes). I wouldn't doubt it if whoever did it sold it, then sat down at his computer and posted something dopey about a band selling out. people are strange. I've been meaning to email you for awhile, sorry. Send me some info about obtaining a cassette & video. Which I might remind everybody that brent & EVB put together for no personal financial gain. If I remember correctly these were for sale for the cost of the tapes and shipping. Now I will put on my Spin Dr. Hat and attempt to sort out some of the recent developments. -->brian trainor said: >regarding the whole Rage/sellout thread, which strikes me as an irrelevant >thread in the first place. Like someone said, this is the Misfits Bible. Since intelligent conversation about bands selling out can be directly associated with Glenn Danzig, I don't believe this is a irrelevant issue. >And who cares how much money they're getting paid? >If they do have a message, it's getting across to a wider area. It pisses >me off when people get a punker-than-thou attitude about bands that they >think have sold out...they can do that all they want when they're poor >musicians who suddenly get offered a million dollar check and turn it down. That was my point in the first place -->Drslfin@aol.com said: >Well here we are again. Some person is bashing another for expressing an >opinion and then others jump on because they think that they have the >righteous views and we all get saddled with more bullshit. Well it's my >turn >to vent. First of all everyone who has attacked, insulted and fucked with >crimson ghost need to calm the fuck down. He, like yourselves is a misfits >fan. If he were here bashing the misfits then fine you should fuck with >him, >but he's just talking and sharing what else he likes. Thanks for the vote of confidence! But, _again_, I'm not just sharing what else I like. My posts are of direct correlation to the misfits & danzig. They may use other bands as examples, but they have a place on this list. If you remove all the so called "not related" posts in last issue you have a handful of posts about Verotica & Collection II. Let me tell you I've been on the receiving end of Bibles with only a few posts and they are boring. -->evan obrien -->Subject: SHUT THE FUCK UP >Crimson Ghost - do us all a favor and write these people personally. yeah, >your words may have importance, but not to all. Read the above post Evan. >i really don't give a shit >about what degree somebody's getting! maybe being aroung since the start >has made you a little foolish. ugh! What the fuck is that supposed to be. I_wanted_to respond to the tune that "being a newbie is making you look foolish" but I think this is more suited. If you've read what I posted you would know that I don't give a shit "what somebody's getting" that's what that thread was about in the first place. Funny we seem to agree. Have we graduated from intelligent dialog to throwing mud? -->Kent Bendall > Speaking of having a good time... Lately this list has been kind of >negative in its overall feel. I've read a slew of the back issues, and have >been reading bi-weekly since last Spring. But the magic and spark that used >to be there seems to be dying out. I know only so much can be said about one >band but.. i just don't look forward to Tuesdays and Thursdays like i used >to. I know this post isn't directed at me personally but, here's my take. I don't try to make my posts negative, but a few out there like to twist them into that. A simple comment I made about RATM & JM were not supposed to turn into a pissing match but it did. That was not in my control. These posts need to be looked at more in the abstract and _not_the literal. If you open your eyes and digest the information you will see what I mean. I Think what we should do is cool down. stop the hatebreeding. Since there sort of played out, let's drop the RATM & JM threads along with the Oi! thread. We are all fans of the Misfits in one form or another. *Nothing* on this list is a waste of bandwidth, so let's play nice. peace, love & all that Bullshit. Let's try _not_ to turn this into !! abbr. sig to save space Fuck all that, we gotta get on with these. (R.Waters) Crimson Ghost ------------------------------ From: Opus Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 12:56:10 +0000 Subject: Bible #124 Okay, I have been subscribed to this for only a couple of weeks, but I am noticing a little bit of heat here toward Crimson Ghost. I do not know why, or even if it is warranted. We are all Misfits fans, that is why we contribute to this, that is why Mark puts so much time into this. EVAN O'BRIEN - Chill the fuck out! I do not know what you problem is. You state that maybe not everyone wants to hear another's opinion? What the fuck is that??? That is the point of this page, opinions. You, too, are entitled to you opinion, but maybe if it is something like that, email it to the person directly and leave it off of this page. COLLECTION II - Yes, another opinion. Overall, I like it. Sam Hain should remain with a Sam Hain collection. Cough/Cool, different, but I like it! Listening to the songs that Glenn dubbed over his present voice on makes me glad that he did not go back to the Misfits. It is obvious he has been singing heavy metal too long and cannot sing the Misfits any longer. Shame... michael evil never dies... ------------------------------ From: wallace836@vegas.email.net Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 11:16:59 PST Subject: Verotika Has anybody else read some of these Verotik comics? I personally feel that thet are of varying degress of qualit, depending on who's writing them. As for Glen's writing...well, its not so good for the most part. Satanika...? Not bad, but not really great, either. Death Dealer only seems to be an excuse for 40-odd pages of mindless violence (don't get me wrong, I likle mindless violence as much as anyone else...I even went to see "Desperado" twice just for the action scenes), but there's not really a character here to grab on to the reader. Jaguar God seems to be the best written so far. Issue #2 is as good as any other action comic put out by any of the bog companies, and I enjoy this series a lot. But the Verotika series? The stories in the series (Verotika is supposed to mean Violent-Erotica) are generally too repulsive to be interesting, and after the "Taste of Cherry" story I decided to stop getting the title. I've yet to see anyhting even remotely" erotic" about this series...unless some sick bastard thinks rape is erotic. I guess my point is, thanks, but no thanks Glen. You're music is great (he's one of my three favorite songwriters, and my absolute favorite singer) but I think I'll pass on the Verotika line of comics. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 16:02:53 -0500 From: Brent Christopher Eyestone Subject: Members Only Eligibility contest Okay kids, sharpen your #2 pencils and NO TALKING! Here is the quiz to determine who gets the tapes!! Part One: Short Answer 1. How many times has Glenn Danzig posted to the Misfits Bible? 2. What is his "real" name? 3. How many times have Jerry and Doyle posted to the Misfits Bible? 4. What is their last name and what does their father do for a living? 5. How many times has Michale Graves posted to the Misfits Bible? 6. And just who the hell is Michale Graves? 7. What does the 'E' and the 'B' stand for in EVB? Bonus: where does she live? 8. How many official Misfits Bible Conventions have taken place and where were they? 9. A while back there was a fake war of words between Bloodboy and another person with an adopted screen name. Who was that and what college did they both attend? Bonus: Name Bloodboy's band. Double Bonus: What was this "other person's" previous screen name? 10. According to the Crimson ghost, who funded the Misfits' European tour? Bonus: Get specific and name the TYPE of funds used (name of the co.) 11. What was the name of that a**hole who came in and just flamed everybody with every one of his posts only to get physically threatened and scared from the list (I don't think he ever gave a real name, so give the screen name or email addy). 12. What's the name of that limited acetate 7" and how many copies were officially made? Bonus: What Bible member owns a copy? 13. Name as many Misfits guitarists as possible. Bonus: Give the eras in which they played (years and/or recordings). Bonus: Name Jarry and Doyle's guitar co. Double Bonus: What material is Jerry's bass made from? Part Two: Essay (90 words or less) Either write about how you "discovered" the Misfits or why you wish to obtain a copy of these tapes. Extra points will be given if you give the full names of each tape. *******Okay that's it. I will take the ten best entries and send them emails with details on how to obtain copies of the video. As far as audio goes, there is no limit on how many people get them, but you are still subject to my scrutiny. Don't blame me, blame the assholes who ruined it by trying to make a buck. Thanks - brent - send all answers to bce104@psu.edu ------------------------------ From: 7065.Heise.Rd.@ns.net99.net, Clarence.Ctr@ns.net99.net, Subject: mailto:msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu Date: Wed, 29 Nov 95 20:20:08 EST Greetings, fiends... I was fooling around with a sampler I just got, and decided to play some tracks off of Danzig 4p. I don't know if this was brought up in any of the past bibles, but the song "can'tspeak" sounds just like "let it be canptured" would if it had its highest notes edited out. I'd upload this, but my sampler saves in a messed up format... Not really relavant here, just thought I'd share... PS: At the beginning of "Invocation", it's just the band warming up. Josh ------------------------------ From: creepshow588@newyork.email.net Date: Wed, 29 Nov 1995 22:18:46 EST Subject: Misfits Movies Has anyone ever tried to list all of the movies that influenced Misfits/Samhain? Here's a few for the entries: Giant Gila Monster (I saw it on MST3K..!) The Undead (The cover of "Evilive") Halloween (Songs---> Where Eagles Dare Blood Feast Die, Die My Darling Horror Business : "Psycho" Teenagers From Mars : Teenagers From Outer Space(?) I think I saw this on MST3K too That's all I can remember off the top of my head right now. Most of these are available on video. Also of note is the Crimson Ghost movie serial starring Clayton (The Lone Ranger) Moore (they ran the whole serial on the Sci-Fi channel last year), and the magazine "Famous Monsters of Filmland" (which Forrest J. Ackerman has re-started as a quartetly magazine). Question: What is Glen's new project? I've read that he'll begin a new band with more industrial influences; I've also read that "Danzig" will cary on with a new line up. Which is it? I met Glen earlier this year in Charlotte, where he was doing a comic signing at "Heroes Aren't Hard to Find". I thought he was pretty charming (a whole lot nicer in person than he'd have you believe in interviews), and was struck by his stature....he was a lot TALLER than I'd been led to believe as well. Someone called him a "balding dwarf"? Get a grip people, the man's not that short. Hell, he's taller than Eddie Vedder, David Lee Roth, Buck Dharma, and Sylvester Stallone and you never hear about THEM being called "dwarves". ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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Ska poor glenn Kinda Sighting parental advisory sticker Misfits Bible, #125 -Reply Mephisto Waltz Mephisto's Tab, other oddities. Misfits Collection II And the winners are... Beyond Evil Misfits Line-Up Changes Attitude!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #125 Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 00:59:00 -0500 (EST) > From: neil kaiser > > I am a very new Misfits fan.. > I just read something where Glenn Danzing totally rips apart British > culture.. Why? Listen to "London Dungeon". In December of '79 Glenn was thrown in jail in London after 4 skinheads started a fight with him. The cops didn't treat him so well. > From: Haskin Douglas CDT > 1.) A while ago something was mentioned about the Misfits putting on a show > sometime around Christmas, and people on the bible could get first shot at it. > Has anyone heard anything else about this? Jerry hasn't updated me on this yet. > > 2.) I was wondering about that Max's Christmas album. If Glenn has a problem > with Jerry and Doyle overdubbing some parts on it, why can't they use an > unedited tape of the show? I'm sure they have an unedited copy lying around > somewhere. Unless they just recorded over their one and only original tape, > which I doubt they would do. Hopefully that's what will happen. We need to hear some REAL old stuff. Not Evilive era stuff. > > > From: Brent Christopher Eyestone > > Okay kids, sharpen your #2 pencils and NO TALKING! Here is the quiz to > determine who gets the tapes!! Brent - nice quiz! > From: 7065.Heise.Rd.@ns.net99.net, Clarence.Ctr@ns.net99.net, > > off of Danzig 4p. I don't know if this was brought up in any of the past > bibles, but the song "can'tspeak" sounds just like "let it be canptured" would It's in the Danzig discog. But actually you have to play cantspeak backwards to get them to sound the same. T > From: creepshow588@newyork.email.net > Subject: Misfits Movies > Has anyone ever tried to list all of the movies that influenced > Misfits/Samhain? Here's a few for the entries: In fact I did long ago and it's sitting on the web page in the end part of the Misfits discography. Remember everyone, look at the web page. out mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 08:52:29 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Oi!, Mephisto Waltz, Hollywood Babylon One more tidbit to add to the Oi! thread (I realize that last issue I said to drop it, So sue me!) A local High School punk band, here in NJ, was performing an original song. This song apparently repeated the word Oi many time times. Some student (Who happened to be Jewish) took offense to it. He, along with other Jewish students and the local Jewish community center took the band to court, alledging Anti-Semitism. To make a long story short, the court ruled that, "The word Oi!, has been in the venacular of punk music for a long time and it should be in no way misconstrued as anti-semitism" The band, being happy with there victory was invited on MTV to play the offending song. ----> Mephisto Waltz This thread makes me want to laugh, Look at it this way. Jerry & Doy's fans say that it should not be called a misfits song, since it was_probably_recorded by Samhain. At the same time they say that they will support the "new" Misfits 100%. Glenn's Fans say that since glenn owned the name Misfits, He can release whatever the fuck he wants and call it a Misfits tune. These fans are for the most part against the "New" Misfits. Fact is Everybody's right. M.Waltz, like it or not, is a Misfits tune. Glenn had the rights to the name at the time. Anything new by Jerry & Doy will also be Misfits songs. You can't have it both ways. The only thing that should be of issue here is, does the song suck or not, and why. There is no under-lying moral issue here. Personally I think the song sucks, the lyrics are lack luster and it's over-all boring. But hey, that's my opinion. As a musician I like Collection II. It's as close to a quality recording as you can get from the Misfits. As a 'fits fan I try not to think about the overdubs. Speaking of Overdubs I heard the Max's tapes when they were being worked on, although it was live and not studio, the overdubs gave Hollywood Babylon the same effect as Cough/Cool on II. Ie: sounds great but gee isn't something wrong with this? Since this is the only known live recording of Hollywood Babylon, which happens to be my fav 'Fits tune. Does ANYONE have the (not overdubbed) boot of this show which is floating around? I don't want the whole show just hollywood babylon. I will supply postage both ways and a cassette. But would rather have a 44.1KHz 16bit Mono sample. since the tune is only about two minutes long it should work out to an 8 MB sample, which I would Happily D/L from an FTP site. Well College kids, with the free accounts, can anyone help me out? %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * Frank Zappa % % "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:44:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #125 i can't believe this! there are other misfits fans out there. this is nice but i don't want them to "sell-out". i know that they've been dead (or undead) and buried for years, but i think that someone, and i don't mean glenn, i tryingto capitalize on the whole punk revival. through my years as a fan of underground music, i've seen many of my favorite band sellout to the establishment: danzig, white zombie, metallica, and most recently, rancid. the misfits were always there to go to when i knew none of the dumb ass jocks that picked on me in high school would ever go there. they've always been misterious to me. i don't think i want to know too much about them. i have a tough time finding their rarities. i'm happy in a selfish way when they release something new. i don't think that the old band has to get back together, especially w/out glenn. my great uncle is dead. i'd like to see him again, but i don't expect someone to dig him up and bring him to me. i think we should just enjoy what they've already made and their memories. what is the use of exploiting them to america? soon the whole green day/ offspring thing will be over and we'll all still have the misfits as the true fans we are. don't support the exploitation of a classic band because their credibility will also die with green day. "evil never dies" -------mark lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 06:18:35 -0500 (EST) From: Teevie Subject: Mephisto Waltz I dunno whether it's common knowledge to most people on this list, but the original Mephisto Waltz was composed by Franz Liszt... I was screwing around on the Web and found info at http://www.prs.net/midi/txt/mephisto.txt I'm not sure what the hell this has to do with Glenn's song other than the title. Anyway, I think it's interesting. Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ From: Ralph Herbert Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 11:24:25 +0100 Subject: criticism > From: Sean > Subject: Stop critisizing > Okay!! So listen up! All I hear from you people is: this is wrong, that is > wrong, should have been done this way, and should have been done that way!! > SHUT THE HELL UP!!!! I'm sick of that crap!! The Misfits release a new album > for the first time in over 10 years and all you can do is bitch???? Stop > comparing these songs to the old versions!!! I like the whole damn album!!! > Even Cough/Cool!! > This is the clearest versions of any misfits songs you can find anywhere!! > Sure they are re-mixed!!But christ its 1995!! The Misfits are just keeping > up with the times!!!!Who are you to judge anyway?? Are you in the BAND?? > No!!! Then shut UP!!! SHUT THE HELL UP!! No body wants to hear you pathetic > put downs on a great piece of music history!!! Am I the only one who's sick of rants like this by 11 year old "true" Misfits fans????? Isn't the Bible supposed to be a place for DISCUSSION??? Woudn't it be a bloody bore if everybody had the same (= your) opinion? If you don't like criticism, go back and watch MTV. I'm sure you won't hear anyone complaining there as long as you SHUT UP AND BUY. > From: wallace836@vegas.email.net > Subject: Verotik > Has anybody else read some of these Verotik comics? I personally feel that > thet are of varying degress of qualit, depending on who's writing them. As > for Glen's writing...well, its not so good for the most part. Shameless overstatement. > From: "B.M. Fama" > BTW, "DevilMan", "Death Dealer" , "Jaguar God" and (*to an extent*) > "Satanika" aren't really that bad...(not that I'd want kids > reading them) but "Verotika" is the title (so far) that will cause most of > the legal problems. All of Glenn's comics are nicely illustrated, most of > the stories aren't bad...but he still hasn't topped "The Amazing > Spider-Man #1-38". Those are the best comics ever. Nicely illustrated???? I'm not too fond of computer-colored comics in general, but the coloring of most Verotik titles (especially Verotika and Devilman) is the worst I've EVER seen. A while ago, EVB mentioned that Glenn was planning to put out Faust in color. Let's all hope he never gets around to do it. "Freedom of speech - just watch what you say..." (Ice-T) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 06:46:36 -0500 From: Miles@postoffice.ptd.net (ScreamingSlave) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #125 >Subject: Glenny Boy >From: brian trainor >Date: Tue, 28 Nov 95 21:58:17 EST > >i, persoanlly, think that Glenn got too big for his damn britches. >that's why i don't like him. so sue me, i'm a freakin' idealist. i hate >rock stars;) >oh, and hi miles;) 'ello brian, right right..Glenn has gotten the famous cock-star image in his head now.. I thought he was much better as a teenager from mars.. Evil never dies.... We shall never die... Live in vain.. Die in pain.. -Screaming Slave ------------------------------ From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:02:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #124 when the fuck is the misfit's box set being released? ------mark ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey King Subject: glenn as an instrument Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:34:17 -0500 (EST) the thing i always have liked about the misfits is the simplicity of the songs. i mean really, there isn't much to the guitar, bass or drums. not much at all. it's the lyrics, and glenn's voice. glenn is so damn powerful, and unlike many singers. he uses his voice in so many ways that it seems like a totally independent insturment in the band. lots of punk bands have those monotonic, lame, boring screaming singers. those guys who just don't know how to use their voice. does anybody agree with this? that's what attracts me to all of my favorite bands...the descendents, 7 seconds, black flag, dag nasty, screeching weasel, the misfits, samiam, jawbreaker, ALL etc. people never seem to appreciate a good punk rock vocalist anymore. oh well my 2 pesos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:07:53 -0500 From: james138@aol.com Subject: _EDITORIAL_ anyone notice anything suspicious about glenn's recent activities? apparently, recording of Danzig 5 is near completion, or is finished. why has he recorded an album at rocket speed? to prove to everyone that he didn't need john and eerie. the poor guy must realy be feeling bad about himself. his danzig buddies left him after almost ten years of taking shit from him. his old misfits buddies are about to rise from the dead without him, crushing all his efforts to hold them back. so what does he do? to show eerie and john that he didn't need them, he records danzig 5 as fast as he can, probably just re-recording over old unreleased danzig stuff. to disguise the fact that John Christ completely defined the Danzig guitar sound, he decides to go industrial. then, he re-records cough/cool to pretend that even in 1977 he was moving in the industrial direction. and to downplay the return of the misfits, he puts out Collection II with a bunch of tracks only recorded by him and leaves off everyone else's names. does the man have a problem or what? caroline, if you're reading this, stop lettting this man dominate you. give the Misfits fans what they want. glenn is no Misfits fan, so don't listen to him. we shouldn't have to suffer becuase of his foolishness. thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:57:03 CST From: JP Subject: Collection ii Okay, I've read some of the recent issues, etc. and I've decided to send my first post. As for the Collection ii, mine's on green vinyl. What's with that? Did I get screwed with the color or is it just one of many? Two people, or the same person seems to have a red one. Could it be that I ordered direct and everyone else bought it in stores? Of course here in Good ol' MS, there are no places that really stock Vinyl, except a couple from big trendy bands (puke). The stickers on both the CD and Vinyl are written in white, not orange in my case. As for the lack of information about the band, I wonder if GDanzig just wanted to cover up who the band really was and all. Someone mentioned the Collection was the first Misfits release in 10 years? I have an issue of Thrasher giving a review of either the First collection or Legacy. And, I know for a fact that it isn't 10 years old, at best it's 6 or 7. Oh, heh heh, not that I read RIP (I'm not into metal,etc.) but the only other fiend that I know and myself saw a picture of Jerry, Doyle, and Elvira. Was it a recent one? And what's the record that we see there? There's a song on the list called Blue X-mas. I've never heard of it... ------------------------------ From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 14:33:31 EDT Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #125 I didn't want to have to post but here are my reactions to collection II well fisrt off. the packaging, is too slick, and not scary-horror-evil enough like the misfits are. 2) the color---ummm when i pick my nose, i can see those colors.. 3) the typed print--well it's nice for a research paper. but not for these horror punks, they should have been written in a sketchy eerie way. 4)cough cool-well the only other version that i have of this song is off of the Cough cool/she bootleg 7".that version off of the boot is a lot smoother, faster, and jut down right more beautiful.the new one made me cry, the vocals are a fucking joke, and the drums, (for any drummers out there like myself, manny was a fucking amazing drummer, and the beat that he plays on it is very complex and jazzy, but in a good way), were much too pronounced, and loud..the original keyboard parts were much better too...glenn you fuck!!! 5) the sound in general-well it was nice to hear the guitars, and they sounded great, but the drums were much too loud, as if like it was recorded by Metallica, and every tom had its own mic channel,.. the misfits were a particular, fuzzy sounding, dark band...the way this makes them sound is as if this was recorded at Joe Shmo's Big Indusrty Studio, the old sound was definitely better... 6) this is an interesting point. what is the name of the band? are they "Misfits", or are they "the misfits" this is the only item my them that I have ever seen that said "the misfits"??????can someone verify this. 7) is the version of attitude and last carress off of Collection II, thesame take as on "Beware", it sounded just like it to me... 8) children in heat sounded great.. 9) Mephisto Waltz--hahahahahaha- this is an out right farce. this is so obviosly samhain, I mean really glenn how fuking dumb are you? "Gee those backing vocals really DON'T sound like samhain" (that was meant with a hint of sarcasm, just a little one). Anyone who says that the band playiong is the misfits, you best leave this list now.. as for the song itself, it would be a gret Samhain song, but a bad misfits song..... 10) just one more thing..i beleive it is in the new version of "Hatebreeders" but I may be wrong, but there is this one drum fill in a song, and it is like fucking this complex crazy ass fill, that I KNOW no drummer of the misfits would/could ever play, it is so wierd and out of place.. did anyone else notice it...i beleive it is on hatebreeders, but it may be on a different song..it is definitley one of the last few songs though. later love goat- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 13:36:11 -0600 (CST) From: gerry blaylock Subject: hmmm i was wondering if anybody knew if the misfits named evilive after the evilive club in dallas that jack ruby owned, since they had a lot of kennedy associated stuff? on mephisto waltz, it seems to me he says, "goes a (little) bit faster" on one part. i've only seen danzig once, in nashville. does anyone know if they are going on tour with other members after the new album is released? if any of you read faust, #9 is titled "pain in the world" and there is a zombie in it wearing a danzig shirt and he looks like glenn, only he's a rotting corpse. the corpse sings lines from pain in the world. ------------------------------ From: wallace836@vegas.email.net Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:21:25 PST Subject: A Danzig Anecdote This might not be all that strange or unusual, but once I found a cassette of Danzig 4p in a WWal-Mart in SC....in the Christian Music Section!?!?!? Finding Danzig in a al-Mart is unusual enough, but the location just bew my mind. I moved it back to its "proper" (whatever that means) location to see what would happen, and the next day it was back in the Christian Music area again. This, from the people that refused to carry Nirvana, Judas Priest, and Tiger beat Magazine because they were "too extreme"? Once they even had a ban on U2 for some reason. ------------------------------ From: wallace836@vegas.email.net Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 12:59:57 PST Subject: Danzig 4p IMHO Danzig 4p is the strongest, most challenging of all Glen's works. People often point to their first album as the best, which is something I never quite understand....the poor sound mix, weak songs like "Not of This Earth" and "Posession"...only about half the album is really classic. DOn't get me wrong: "Mother", "Am I Demon", "Twist of Caine", "Soul on Fire", and "End of Time" are all excellent songs (some of his best), but they don't break very much ground. Lucifuge was a much stronger work, with every song memorable, but still there wasn't that much new ground broken. Danzig is one of my 3 favorite bands, but do little to progress metal past the heavy-guitar/dark lyrics stance it has always had. Danzig 4p is another story. While "How the Gods Kill"'s biggest flaw was that complete lack of new ground (we had heard almost everything on there before, one way or another), 4p presented metal in its full gothic trappings minus the standard heavy-metal guitar sound. THIS was the album everyone always though Danzig could make. 4p captured the complete essence of the group without hitting the listener over the head with tired heavy-metal cliches. There are 2 types of people who don't like Danzig 4p...the type who just doesn't like that kind of music to begin with, and the type who fears change. If 4p didn't exist, we'd all be critisizing Danzig for becoming a self parody of himself. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 18:45:02 -0500 (EST) From: DAVID R VICKERS Subject: Danzig, Samhain, Mephisto Waltz How's it going? I'm I the only one who is getting pissed with the whole Rage Against political discussion that has been clogging up the bible for the past while? Mind you, I guess I'm just adding to it by mentioning it in my post. Anyway, I won't elaborate on my opinion of Coll. 2 to greatly but as far as Mephisto Waltz goes, I think to many people are jumping on the "I think it's Samhain" bandwagon. In my opinion, this song would fit almost perfectly on WOA (same tempo and overall sound as many of those songs). How many would truly believe Halloween II was a Misfits song if it was previously unreleased? As far as the Earth AD stuff, apart from We Bite, it doesn't sound like it was touched (apart from where the sound fucks up for about half a second in Bloodfeast) Some other notes to make: Samhain box is not set for Halloween 96. Eerie does not yet know when Glenn plans to release it so whoever said they heard from Eerie that it was this date, I suggest you get your info. correct next time. We (those of us who care anyway) should finally get to hear White Devil Rise on Danzig 5 as he has re-recorded it. That's all I have to say for now. Later. Dave V. ------------------------------ From: EvilDieff@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 16:30:13 -0500 Subject: etc. crimson ghost: i agree. let's let the old comic book posts, morrison posts, and ratm post die. but i don't agree with the little glenn danzig and selling out comment. i don't agree with screwing people out of money, but i don't think glenn has sold out. after being in a band for awhile and getting no where it gets old. like someone said earlier, could you imaging if there would've been a "blood and tears" single? but, i understand that we ALL have certain biased opinions because of who we know, what we've been told etc... nice line from "not now john" too. mark: i know certain people still can't get on the web and even those who can, can't always spend the time it would take to read all that great information. so i guess we'll never get rid of the stupid questions. b.m. fama: i doubt anyone would know that phrase if it wasn't for glenn, even thought he didn't come up with it. later. Don "Evil" Dieffenbach ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 17:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: Teevie Subject: Samhain Box Hey fiends... apparently the Samhain Boxed Set will be the first release on Glenn's new record label sometime in 1996. Just a word for anyone else who really digs that Sam. Seeing official Unholy Passion/Final Descent lyrix will be immensely satisfying! And if Eerie's working on the layout you can bet it'll be sheer eye candy. Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: Oi! goddamnit Oi! is NOT ska, ska is the music that eventually got slowed down and turned into reggae and the first wave was in Jamiaca in the early sixites. Oi! is a derivative of punk and came about in the late seventies. The UK Subs... that's pusing it, I'd say they're a punk band, and I have NEVER heard the Queers called an Oi! band, they are punk too. So what are some Oi! bands? Try the 4-Skins, the Business, Angelic Upstarts, Anti-Heros, Lager Lads, Pist n Broke, End of the Line (NOT the Ebullition band), Blitz, the Last Resort, Patriot, need I go on? Nazi or white power music is NOT Oi! Skrewdriver said they were not an Oi! band but a "white rock n roll" band so fuck them and all the other boneheads that disgrace the traditional skinhead name. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Nov 1995 20:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Robert G. McFeaters" Subject: Can't we all just get along? I have been reading the bible for about 2 months now, and I have to commend everyone who put forth any effort to get it going. About Collection 2: I was holding back, and I wasn't going to post my opinion, but since all of the controversy, I thought I'd give it my 2 cents. For years, I would walk into record stores and check the Misfits section, knowing that there would never be anything new there. I found out about collection 2 from the bible, so I wasn't surprised to see it in the store. If I hadn't been reading the bible, I would have shit a big ole pile of shit upon seeing this new release. I don't give a shit about who did what to the original recordings. I wouldn't really know if I hadn't read in the bible that there were overdubs. I'll make it simple: I FEEL GRATEFUL AS HELL TO HAVE ANOTHER MISFITS COLLECTION. So what if Mephisto wasn't recorded by the Misfits. It is similar to most other Misfits/Samhain recordings, and this is the music I enjoy. The band name doesn't matter. The fact that we like it is what matters. The new Misfits: The NEW Misfits are not the Misfits. Sure, some of the old members are still there, but their new songs will not be Misfits songs. Don't get me wrong: I think that Jerry and Doyle are cool as all hell, and their efforts may even get us some neat, new stuff. This is great. But, they are not the Misfits. Glenn's songs are what we all love. Jerry and Doyle's image is nice, but it isn't much without THE music. But then you can say, "Van Halen is still Van Halen without D.L. Roth." That's correct, but I ask, "Who wrote the songs?" Jerry and Doyle can have all the image they want, but their image wouldn't mean shit if Glenn hadn't written the music. Sorry for the long post. Let the castigation begin, Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 00:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: Ummmm Man, I really wish I could see this web page with something other than Lynx(Florida Atlantic University sucks in that aspect). This place rejuvenated my interest in the Misfits/Samhain/Danzig. I was reading a few back issues of the Bible and someone said that Danzig's last show with John and Eerie was with Bad Religion. Was that true? That seems like an unlikely lineup. I love Bad Religion, but I don't think that BR and Danzig exactly "mix". And speaking of Bad Religion, does anyone out there have a copy of "Into the Unknown" that they would be willing to sell or copy for me? And on to more nitpicky things: in the biographies on the web page, I noticed that Michale Graves' name hasn't been corrected yet.(Hmmm, maybe I shoulda sent this directly to Mark....oh well, I'll send it here anyway) I think I am losing my mind. Later, Steev L. ------------------------------ From: Sean Subject: Thanks! Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:46:02 +0000 Here is a short post for you guys! I would like to say thanks to Mark, Crimson Ghost, and all the others who were here from the beggining. TRUE Misfits fans deserve credit when credit is due!! .....Evil is as evil does and who, who but me could write this book of cruel!........... P.S. I've read the words, and herd the songs. Tell you now, theres nothing wrong. ME P.S.S Is it wasn't for these guys you folks would not know half the stuff you know about the MISFITS!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:46:22 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: bad habits +++Everyone seems to have their ideas about what should and should not be said on the Bible...here are my suggestions, which, I add, are no form of censorship (as many others want certain topics excluded), but merely a hatred of stupid errors that are repeated FAR too often. So, PLEASE!!! ****DO NOT**** DO THE FOLLOWING: 1. spell Glenn Danzig's name "Glen" 2. spell Verotik, Verotika, and Satanika with a "c" instead of "k" 3. spell Samhain "Sam Hain" (*come on*, this is what they put on bootlegs.) 4. misquote Glenn Danzig...that means about 300 of you may have to stop posting...just kidding...maybe only 200...just kidding... Okay, I think these are fairly reasonable...of course, everyone's going to miss that second "n" every once in a while, but when you spell it that way several times in one letter...his name is on every record he's done (except Halloween 7") and it's only been mispelled "Glen" on one of those (Less Than Zero Soundtrack). How hard is it to get that right?? For those of you who made some of these errors in the last Bible, don't take this as a personal attack and don't feel too bad...many have done it before you. Some have also expressed a wish to end the recent threads/debates/arguments on the Bible..fine, after 5 years, I'm sick of comparisons between Glenn and Jim Morrison too, and I couldn't care less about anything Rage Against the Machine does, or what any other non-Glenn Danzig band does for that matter. BUT, for those of you complaining about us dissecting "Mephisto Waltz" and who played on it, etc..TOO DAMN BAD. If you read the Misfits Book, you'll see Mark himself cares about where and when stuff was done, how it was altered, etc, so I say that topics like this are FAR more important than "what band jerked off the most on their record company's money and are therefore so cool and rebellious." If you don't like finding out about different versions of songs and stuff like that, what's the point of even having this list? I'm not saying any other topics are invalid, but if you don't want to read about *Real* Misfits information, just press your space bar and shut up. And to the guy who freaked about Dave Greco "not knowing what he's talking about" when he posted about "Oi!" music: fuck off. Dave is my friend and he does know what he's talking about. *If* his mesage was inaccurate you could have said so politely and offerred your own ideas or information, WITHOUT being a rude asshole. What, are you all offended because someone else's opinions or beliefs are different than yours? He wasn't saying your mother was a whore or anything, so why'd you have to flip? A lot of you guys better grow up about taking offence to things that mean NOTHING. I assume now you'll write some post denouncing me, but I must tell you, I really couldn't give half a shit what anyone on this list thinks, unless they have ideas or information about Glenn Danzig's bands, NOT arguments to start just so they can use garbage insults they want to sling around, and make themselves look educated or smart about some particular topic. Lighten up...just because no one on the list has the opportunity, it *doesn't* mean they SHOULDN'T kick your ass. So let's keep this civil, for your own sake as much as anyone else's. I think I'm finished now. -Brett "but if you wanna find hell with me, I can show you what it's like" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 00:58:01 -0500 From: She Subject: Mephisto and Michale I talked to Michale for about a half hour tonight (Thursday). He told me some interesting things. First, his b-day is March 21st of '75, which means a LOT of us on this mailing list are older than he is. We talked a lot about his past. He's been in garage bands since the age of 11, and until March of this year, he had never heard a Misfits song. Bob Alleca of Lodi, NJ (the guy who works at Reel Platinum) suggested he audition, so Michale went out and bought the original compilation. At first he didn't even like the music... As far as future plans go, the Misfits plan to do a show at The Chance (as I mentioned a few issues back) in the next few months, and then they might begin touring as early as March. In April they'll be doing the standard Chiller Theatre Horror Convention. Glenn Danzig will also be at the Convention, supposedly, not with The Misfits though... Some new material has been written and they've been practicing it, but they won't be recording for at least a year or so. He also mentioned that Eerie's liner notes for the box set are great. About replacing Glenn he had this to say - "My intent wasn't to replace someone or fill someone's shoes. I just want to have the best band out there." Apparently Eerie referred to him as a 'Glenn clone' on the recent Danzig hotline, something he does not appreciate. If he happens to sound like Glenn, what is he supposed to do? And.... in other news, my roommate and i attempted to figure out Mephisto Waltz. I took the original posting of the lyrics and tried to make it as accurate as possible. Here's our interpretation: MEPHISTO WALTZ -------------- Waltz, The pagan master Waltz, His evil shines Waltz, To the Devil's depot Waltz, It's gonna be so great Whoah oh oh Go Waltz, Into the darkest feeling Waltz, Without a blink I go Waltz, To the Devil's ballet Waltz, To Mephisto Waltz, The Devil's dance Waltz, And in twilight gray Waltz, Darkness grows much faster Waltz, It's gonna be so great Whoah oh oh Go Waltz, The pagan master Waltz, His evil shines Waltz, To the Devil's depot Waltz, It's gonna be so great Whoah oh oh Oh Whoah oh oh Whoah oh oh Oh Go Whoah oh oh Go Whoah oh oh Go Waltz ------------------------------ Subject: THe Bible From: brian trainor Date: Thu, 30 Nov 95 23:58:45 EST First off, i'd like to say that i'm happy to be on here, with people not bitching at eachoter or anyone getting violent. it's nice. it's good that when everyone can find a common ground, we can get along even with minor arguments... and, at any rate, i'd also like to say that Glenn is no longer in the Misfits, so why bother discussing his stuff? i mean, and not to sound bitchy, i thought this was The MISFITS Bible, not "What Glenn Danzig's Doing Now" Bible... just my thougts... i have no real problem with discussing his misfits stuff, but personally i don't like Danzig that much, and i like the earlier Samhain, but The Misfits are why i'm here, and Jerry, Doyle, and the rest of the ever-changeing member prosess where in the band too... so why is it we all talk about Glenn? i know this sounds kinda hypocritical, but i was just getting pissed about seeing posts about Glenn's new Comic Book and what new Danzig thing was coming out... and to Brett: i didn't say anything about Jim Morrison... why? and thanks to everyone who wished me luck on finding the 7". the reason i'm out to get it is because i actually HAVE seen one... altho if memory serves me it WAS quite a lot of money... i guess i'll just have to hit the lotto, huh? later everyone. o ok, ok.. how about this: Evil SELDOM Dies... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:35:42 -0500 From: JR LaRue Subject: FIGHT FIENDS, ALL OF THIS ABOUT OPINIONS AND ARGUING IS ALL BULLSHIT. SURE WE ARE ALL MISFITS FANS, BUT ONE THING THE MISFITS LIKE TO SING ABOUT IS VIOLENCE. SO WE ALL SHOULD ARGUE AND FIGHT AND KILL AND DISMEMBER EACH OTHER, CAUSE THAT'S IS OUR STYLE!!!! THE EVIL EYE ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 16:59:02 -0500 (EST) From: etricho1@ic3.ithaca.edu Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #125 does any one have a bootleg of any of the recent misfit concerts at the roseland or coney island high? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 16:04:20 -0800 From: Javad Ghassemi Subject: Braineaters Someone said that the Misfits only recorded Braineaters once-the version on WAU. If this is true there is no way that the Braineaters on collection II is the same one. 1.) The drum beat changes several times on CollectionII. 2.) On the WAU version the guitars and some of the vocals are distorted. they couldn't fix them up as nice as they did on Collection. 3.) The Collection version is a bit faster. 4.) On the WAU version the guitarist switches his toggle control to make that weird skipping sound at the end. There is no way to get rid of that except for recording a new guitar track. 5.) The Collection version has some feedback at the end. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 1995 17:11:02 -0500 From: Brent Christopher Eyestone Subject: say... Before I get around to posting the quiz answers and winners, I'd just like to get one thing off of my chest. How the hell can someone who claims to be so "indie" and anti-major label (there are a few on this list) turn around and do the ultimate hypocritical thing buy purchasing Collection II and other Misfits releases?? Why are you even on this list? Didn't you do your homework? If you did, you would know damn well that you are lining the pockets of that stereotypical greasy-ponytail-havin' major label executive every time you pick up a Misfits release. What am I talking about? Well, I know what you're thinking - isn't Caroline an indie?? The answer is HELL NO. Yes, Caroline is both a label and a distributor that has a reputation for being indie, but the truth of the matter is that they are owned by Virgin (a major label), which is owned by the "big boss" - CEMA. It is this fact that has many people calling Caroline a "scam-indie." Now while I mean no harm to the kind and generous folks at Caroline, I just thought I'd like to point this simple fact out to all of you RATM "sellout" people. If you felt so adamently about the whole major label thing, then you wouldn't be listening to the Misfits. Also, if you recall, WAU was on Warner Bros. Again, no offense to Caroline or any one person in particular - I just had to report the facts. If you would like to know more about who-owns-who etc., please check out MRR's Major Label Issue reprint. You will be very shocked at their findings! Thanks - brent ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Fri, 1 Dec 1995 19:39:50 -0500 Subject: Chiller Theatre #3 Like Mark said a few bibles ago, there's an interview with Jerry Only in issue 3 of Chiller Theatre magazine. It's a pretty good interview. There wasn't very much that Jerry said that I haven't read before except that his view of Bobby Steele seemed to have changed since the Ugly Things interview he did as well as his attitude towards Glenn. Anyway, the interview continues in issue #4 (which comes out who knows when). There were some cool pictures, the best, in my opinion, of which was a picture of a young Jerry dressed up with his usual look on line at Burger King or McDonald's. It's a pretty good piece. Anyway, I just thought I'd tell all of you about it ... - BILE666. P.S. -- I know this is a little belated, but if Michale Graves is reading this, you've got support right near you in Bergen County (somewhere between Englewood and Pal Park). You did a damn good job on Halloween. I thought you sounded great. I hope I can see you again with the rest of the guys sometime soon ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Dec 95 02:25:58 -0800 From: danny rodrigues Subject: new member Hello fiends I've been watching you. Well I haven't been stalking you, but I have been monitoring the bible. Im fascinated by the amount of information Mark has. anyways I'll get too the point. There is no question that Glen Danzig is a talented musician but he no longer has the fire he showed in th Misfits. Although I still like everything he does it pails in comparison to the old Misfits, when Glen's love for the music was pure. But I could'nt help but feel cheated when I discovered he re-recorded the music. Even though we are all desperate to get our hands on the music Glenn is comprimsing the integrity of the music we love so dearly. Also for mark I noticed that you are from Fairfax VA. I am from Annandale VA. where did you go to high school? Maybe we have some common friends? I play Baseball here at High Point and I played Legion at Fairfax. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Dec 95 21:41:07 -0800 From: Tom Spence Subject: 'fits in BC, Canada??? So what's the deal with the band that's opening for the Foo Fighters in Kelowna BC? Their name is 'The Misfits'! Is this actually the real misfits or just a bunch of fucks who can't think up their own name? I won't be seeing it either way, real misfits or not, because the tickets come up to $51 CDN after tax and shit. What a fucking rip. tom! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 11:17:10 -0500 From: st930419@PIP.CC.BRANDEIS.EDU (Andrew Share) Subject: Oi! v. Ska ScreamingSlave wrote inthe last bible: The Queers and UkSubs Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:20:41 GMT0BST Subject: poor glenn I have to say, unlike most people on this list, I haven't formed a concrete opinion on Danzig as a person. One thing I know for sure though is that Danzig hates the misfits. And I feel sorry for him. The misfits are the best and most original thing he has done (not to mention one of the all time great punk bands) and he can gain no satisfaction from this accomplishment. The way I look at it is that artists are all trying to leave behind something others can take joy in. When Glenn lies an his death bed, he will feel that he has left behind very little when in fact he created some of the greatest punk rock we have all heard. Don't hate Glenn, pity him. Disciple of tyhe 3-way ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 09:46:23 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Hey people, Although this is not related in any way I figured I'd share it anyway. Sat night I went out with my neighboors to see a band. Since I have a wife and a baby, it's few and far between when I'm actually allowed out. The band I saw was called "The Health & Happiness Show" Let me tell you these guys were great, it probably had to do with the fact that: A) The Guitar/Lead Vocal was done by Jimmy Mastro from the Bongos B) Lead Guitar by Richard Lloyd from Television I forget the other two guys names but I know that the drummer was in the Richard Lloyd band. Richard Lloyd played a '59 Strat through a VOX amp, it sounded incredible. If you have the chance in your 'hood check them out. Don't expect anything real punky but if you listen close you can here it there. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * Frank Zappa % % "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 13:47:02 -0500 From: Aaron Pacitti Subject: Kinda Sighting I don't know how many Fiends are down with the Ska scene, but there is a CD out there on Dill Records called "Misfits of Ska". Its got the same lettering as the Misfits and it has Frankenstein, Bela Lugosi, and Godzilla on the flap and cover. There is a group on there called the Independents who are the Ska Misfits. The singer sounds like Danzig and supposedly the band looks like the Misfits. They have a song called "Bloody Night, Bloody Knife". I don't know, if you like the Misfits and you like Ska, check these Billies out...they rock. "I'm off like a rocket, a porno in the pocket." College is full of difficult decisions...which frat boy to beat up today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 19:59:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: parental advisory sticker I've always wondered about this: Why is it that Danzig II:Lucifuge is the only Danzig album that has a Parental Advisory sticker on it? It makes no sense to me why that one is so much more "explicit" than any of their other releases. And the content isn't any different than Danzig I, III, or IV(and of course Thrall). Just wondering. Wow. I just heard they're going to show the 138th episode of the Simpsons soon. Is it a coincidence that this occured as I am sending a post to the Misfits Bible? Nahhhhhh...... -Steev ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 1995 22:26:45 -0500 From: "Edward J. Dougherty" Subject: Misfits Bible, #125 -Reply I had two Mistfits/Samhain sightings this week. In the White Zombie video for More human than human Rob Zombie wears a Samhain,Initium shirt. Also, in an old episode of the show In Living Color, Jim Carrey wears a Misfits shirt, the evil eye one that pushead drew. Tonights episode of the was the 138 episode and it was a special that showed all of the out takes, maybe it had something to do with THX1138. Ted D. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Dec 95 03:01:26 0000 From: wtm108@psu.edu Subject: Mephisto Waltz Their has been a good deal of talk in recent bibles about whether or not the song Mephisto Waltz belongs on the Collection II album. Because of this, I have been cohorsed to make a comment on the subject. There are two facts that everybody seems to be in argreement on. 1. That Glenn Danzig wrote the song for the Misfits. 2. The song was preformed by a Sam Hain line up. It is understandable that everyone here is getting upset over this, and both arguements have their merits. Has anyone considered the fact that Glenn Danzig may have put the track on the album not because it best belongs their, but rather because he knew that arguements similar to that have been occuring would occur? By quabbling over whether the song belongs on the album or not you are playing right into the Hands of Glenn by creating descension amoung Misfits fans. It's kind of funny that we don't argue over whether it was alright for Glenn to turn Feline Nursrey into Spinal Remains. Why don't we? Because it happened such a long time ago we don't really think about it anymore. If the song being on the album bothers you that much, bitch to Caroline telling them to take it off future copies. If you really like having the song on the album drop a line to Caroline telling them that you agree with their decision to include it. Caroline might respond to something addressed directly to them, but will not consider the fighting within the bible an order for action. Please quit the argument in the bible as it is getting us nowhere and is becoming tiresome. The Neurotic Knee Splitter Guitarist, The Dirty Hands Band Dirty Hands Band home page: http://wtm108.rh.psu.edu/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 95 13:13:23 -0800 From: Mark Nance Subject: Mephisto's Tab, other oddities. Hello Fiends, A few bibles back (#120 I believe) UJCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu started tabbing Mephisto Waltz as it appears on Collection II...now I don't care who wrote the damn song, or who played it on the album...I think it's a really good song, so I finished what Jamil started and tabbed out this thing for ya'll: Mephisto Waltz (As recorded by Samhain on Misfits Collection II) E A# B (8x) D A G A D A B E A# B (8x) D A G A D A B E A# B (4x) D A G A D A B Solo over E A# B (4x) D A G A D A B Solo over E A# B (4x) B The solo is only one note so I'm sure if you slide your little finger up and down the high (thinnest) E string you'll come across it. Misfits sightings dept: On this weeks episode of the Simpsons they celebrated their "138th show spectacular."...hmmm....138, huh? , methinks Mr. Groening may be a closet Misfits fan. On Monday's Ricki Lake, some redneck is also seen in a Danzig shirt. I also caught a glimpse of Rob Zombie's Samhain "Initium" shirt on the "More Human Than Human" video this weekend. My little contibution to the zine world, toast. , is doing a "All hell breaks loose..." tribute to the Misfits for January...I'll post my address when I'm done with it so you can get your greedy paws on it. The issue will also contain an interview with the Ninjas re-printed from our local News 4U "Entertainment" magazine and the first opportunity to order the Ninjas new "Legacy of Frugality" album...maybe they'll even be some sort of contest to win a free copy...but I wouldn't know (he-he...bone up on your Misfits trivia...I'm throwing some real wacky shit into this one.) Well, I've taken up enough space for this week, so I'll see you all later...."and my girl in room 21." the other Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 13:45:10 +0500 From: Nat Burke Subject: Misfits Collection II I am a fairly new Misfits fan and I had a quick question about the new album just recently released (BTW it rocks!!). Anyways, I was under the impression that the album was just a compilation of their old songs off old albums... But it sounds like from what you guys are saying that they re-did the songs and dubbed in Glenn's voice?? So what is the real story... Thanks Nat Burke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Dec 1995 16:38:51 -0500 From: Brent Christopher Eyestone Subject: And the winners are... Hi - Just so you know, my contest is now officially closed. Thanks to everyone who sent stuff in, but unfortunately I can only take ten right now. Here are the ten people who most impressed me with their entries: 1. Brett Fama 2. Jamey Lawton 3. Goat 4. Mark Nance 5. Jamil 6. Gabriel Palczewski 7. Evan O'Brien 8. Scott Flaster 9. David 10. Eric Snook This doesn't mean that these people had the most accurate entries, it just means that they took the contest a step further and added their own flavor to it. Any moron can sit down and come up with these answers in a few hours - but it takes a true fiend to write the essays and add the additional info that I was fishing for. I will post examples of some of the essays later so that you can see for yourself. The winner as far as accuracy would have to be David. He missed none of the regular qustions and got most of the bonuses correct. The winner as far as best essay is Jamey Lawton, whose story about discovering the Misfits was a lot like my own. And the overall winner would have to be Brett Fama - he missed 3, but added a lot of info to his answers that was accurate and wrote a damn good essay. So here's the answers, check and see how you did! 1.) Glenn has NEVER posted to the Misfits Bible. 2.) His real name is Anzalone. 3.) Jerry and Doyle have NEVER DIRECTLY posted to the Misfits Bible. It's always been via the Crimson Ghost or Mark Kennedy. 4.) Their last name is of course Caiafa and their dad works at Proedge, a knife factory second only to Exacto! 5.) Michale Graves has posted only once to the Misfits Bible. 6.) And he's the Misfits new singer. Bonus points went out to the people who mentioned his last name (Emmanuel). 7.) The E and B in EVB stand for Elizabeth Bouras. Bonus: She's a Maryland resident. 8.) There has been ZERO OFFICIAL bible conventions. We haven't got our stuff together yet. 9.) Bloodboy's fake feud was with the NINcompoop. Bonus: They both attend Virginia Tech. Bonus: Bloodboy's band was called the DRYHEAVES!! (NOT Devilock, Astrozombies, or Smackerals of Hunny!) Double Bonus: NINcompoop is the artist formerly known as CHILD IN HEAT. 10.) Jerry and Doyle's father funded their European tour (that fell through). Bonus: It came in the form of a credit card (Visa). Cash was also an answer I accepted. Extra points went out to the few who said that once the tour was over, J&D had to work off some of the debt incurred for Mr. Caiafa. 11.) That asshole was Lucifer@aol.com. I had to laugh at some of the answers because some of the people felt that they were the person I was talking about! 12.) The acetate gem we're talking about here is "Teenagers From Mars" - 5 total (One with TFM on both sides and 2 center holes, 4 backed with another song). Bonus: Jonathan Grimm owns the double holed version and I also accepted EVB as the recipient of one of the 4 others. 13.) The guitarists! I was looking for Franche Coma (or Frank Licatta), Bobby Steele, Doyle (or Paul Caiafa), and Rick Riley (played 4 shows). I didn't really care about the specific dates, I just wanted to make you visit Mark's page. Bonus: J&D's guitar company is called RAND! Double Bonus: That special bass of Jerry's is made of carbon graphite material. So there you have it!! Congratulations to all the winners and I'll be sure to let everyone know the next time I plan on letting a few more copies loose. So keep reading the bibles and you'll be okay. Also, for putting up with all of that crap he received from the RATM issue, I will be rewarding the Crimson Ghost with complementary copies of these tapes. Let this be a lesson - respect your elders!! Also, you might want to get familiar with HIS homepage, as the next quiz just might draw from it as well. Thanks again, Brent p.s. Big ol' "BOOOOS" go out to the certain chumps who had the gall to submit entries even after I gave that rant on bootleggers. Your entries were weak and I saw right through them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 18:28:22 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Spectre Subject: Beyond Evil I know the sound quality sucks, but does anyone have a copy of this on CD for sale?? There is some stuff on there I need to complete my collection.... Daniel Spectre --- WWW - http://www.cris.com/~Gala/vandal.html Email - Gala@cris.com ------------------------------ From: creepshow588@newyork.email.net Date: Mon, 4 Dec 1995 16:34:49 EST Subject: Misfits Line-Up Changes Has anyone ever stated what the reason was behind all of the line-up changes that the Misfits went through? I remember a letter that Bobby Steele sent to Spin magazine, where he said that Glen refused to see him or even speak to him. He then called him a paranoid scizophrenic (I'm not sure what his qualifications were for this diagnosis). Is Glen really this much of an asshole, or is he just a visionary who hones his bands sound despite their wishes (a la John Fogerty). Were the rest of the Misfits just hired guns and glorified session musicians? If not, then what did they add to the overall sound of the band? ------------------------------ From: MisfitB@aol.com Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 01:08:42 -0500 Subject: Attitude!! Posted by the estrangend poster!! Does anyone else hear. "Inside your FEATLE brain there's probably a whore....."Instead of "Inside your FEEBLE brain there's probably a whore..." On the new Collection II ?? He said he came to take me, my time, was no more. But, with Jerry's bass in my hands, i stole the Devils whore! Fire from the brain of the Lonely Misfit. ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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I will only be at the mailing address I gave out for a week and a half longer, so if you want the poster before February, please get the postage $$ out as soon as possible. In other news, I still have Chud's Sacred Trash album to give out as well as some other stuff. The first person who can tell me the original Fiend Club mailing address (there have been 3 so far) can have the following "prize" package: 1 Sacred Trash cassette 1 Misfits Merchandise advertisement 1 Chiller Theater October '95 convention guide (slightly folded up) 2 photocopied Undead articles (if anyone cares, Bobby wrote the names of the articles in pen at the top) Mark ------------------------------ From: wallace836@vegas.email.net Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:10:43 PST Subject: Danzig V I hear that Glen is recording (or even finished) the next Danzig album. Sine we already know who "Danzig" really is, should this new album even be considered as part of that band? People on this page seem to have a stick up their collective asses about which songs are truely Misfits and which aren't...since the Misfits had about a dozen or so members throughout its short life, and Danzig has only had 5, I can probably guess where future discussions will be going. Personally, I've always considered "Danzig" to be Glen's solo band, much the same way people generally consider the more flexible lineups that people like Sting (whose fans generally consider his flaws the same as Glens..."he's sold out since his first band...his first album is still hi sbest, etc) use. Perhaps the title Danzig V is misleading (it might not even be the title of the final album), but what Danzig fan is going to refuse to buy this album? ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #126 Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 18:40:56 -0500 (EST) > From: JP > my first post. As for the Collection ii, mine's on green vinyl. What's > with that? Did I get screwed with the color or is it just one of many? I bought the clear, green, and red vinyl copies from the same store at the same time. It just depends what was shipped, what the store ordered, and which record you happened to pick up. There is a way to determine which color vinyl you have before opening it, based on the positioning of the UPC code sticker on the back. Details are in the discography on the page. > Someone mentioned the Collection was the first Misfits release in 10 years? > I have an issue of Thrasher giving a review of either the First collection > or Legacy. And, I know for a fact that it isn't 10 years old, at best it's > 6 or 7. Oh, heh heh, not that I read RIP (I'm not into metal,etc.) but > the only other fiend that I know and myself saw a picture of Jerry, Doyle, > and Elvira. Was it a recent one? And what's the record that we see there? > There's a song on the list called Blue X-mas. I've never heard of it... Legacy came out in September of '85. The Misfts CD came out in '86 and the LP and cassette came out in '88. So, for the most part this is the first release in 9 years. The issue of RIP you're talking about is the October '95 issue. That picture is the cover of the Max's Xmas album (described in detail in back issues) that was cancelled. Blue Xmas is an Elvis song covered by the Misfits the night the live Max's album was recorded. > From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu > 6) this is an interesting point. what is the name of the band? > are they "Misfits", or are they "the misfits" this is the only item > my them that I have ever seen that said "the misfits"??????can someone > verify this. The original logo said "The Misfits" and that's what they call themselves, so that's what I'd go by. All the 7" singles except for Evilive list the band as The Misfits. > 7) is the version of attitude and last carress off of Collection II, thesame > take as on "Beware", it sounded just like it to me... Of course. They only recorded those songs once. > > 8) children in heat sounded great.. It's the same as on the Horror Business 7". > > 10) just one more thing..i beleive it is in the new version of "Hatebreeders" > but I may be wrong, but there is this one drum fill in a song, and > it is like fucking this complex crazy ass fill, that I KNOW no drummer Of course it's a new version. None of those Walk Among Us tracks are on the original demo tapes from 1981. NONE. > From: "Steev L." > I was reading a few back issues of the Bible and someone said that > Danzig's last show with John and Eerie was with Bad Religion. Was that > true? That seems like an unlikely lineup. I love Bad Religion, but I In fact, it wasn't even true. Danzig did play a festival in Europe about a week or 2 before they broke up, and Bad Religion was there, but the person who made the statement (Brian Baker originally, I believe) was mistaken. > And on to more nitpicky things: in the biographies on the web page, I > noticed that Michale Graves' name hasn't been corrected yet.(Hmmm, maybe Check again. Thanks for alerting me. > From: brian trainor > and thanks to everyone who wished me luck on finding the 7". the reason > i'm out to get it is because i actually HAVE seen one... altho if memory > serves me it WAS quite a lot of money... i guess i'll just have to hit > the lotto, huh? Brian - please tell us more about this. PLEASE. If you really did see a copy of the TFM single, it was the one originally placed in the Max's Kansas City jukebox and then later sold for less than a dollar. It later turned up at a record convention in NY in the late 80's selling for big bucks. Where and when did you see it? > From: Javad Ghassemi > If this is true there is no way that the Braineaters > on collection II is the same one. > 1.) The drum beat changes several times on CollectionII. > 2.) On the WAU version the guitars and some of the vocals are > distorted. they couldn't fix them up as nice as they did on Collection. > 3.) The Collection version is a bit faster. > 4.) On the WAU version the guitarist switches his toggle control to > make that weird skipping sound at the end. There is no way to get rid > of that except for recording a new guitar track. > 5.) The Collection version has some feedback at the end. All very good points that further prove what I said above and many times before. > From: Nat Burke > I am a fairly new Misfits fan and I had a quick question about the > new album just recently released (BTW it rocks!!). Anyways, I was under the > impression that the album was just a compilation of their old songs off old > albums... But it sounds like from what you guys are saying that they re-did > the songs and dubbed in Glenn's voice?? So what is the real story... As stated in many previous issues (please read the back issues if possible) Jerry says that he and Doyle did not play on those songs. Some of the songs (like Hate Breeders and Braineaters) were only recorded once. The fact that the C2 versions differ so much from the original should get the point across. Glenn did these versions, not the Misfits. Glenn did the guitar, bass and probably the drums. > From ? > Has anyone ever stated what the reason was behind all of the line-up > changes that the Misfits went through? Jerry and Glenn got tired of manny and replaced him with Mr. Jim. Franche' left the band due to his touring paranoia. Mr. JIm left the band because he didn't like their style. Joey left the band because he didn't think they were serious about their music. Bobby was kicked out of the band for various reasons. Googy left the band after an argument with Glenn. Robo left the band because he was tired of Glenn. Not one of these guys was a hired musician. It was Jerry and Glenn's band and they called the shots. Only Bobby, Manny, and Brian Damage (a true hired gun) were kicked out of the band. The rest left for their own reasons. > From: MisfitB@aol.com > Does anyone else hear. "Inside your FEATLE brain > there's probably a whore....."Instead of "Inside Assuming you mean fetal, yes it does SOUND like that, but those lyrics went through Jerry and Glenn before they made it to the Collection II lyric sheet so I suspect they're okay... mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue Dec 5 19:03:25 1995 From: Haskin Douglas CDT Subject: The 'new' Misfits I've heard a lot of people's opinions on the return of the Misfits. I agree that they are certainly the "new" Misfits. I mean, they haven't written a new Misfits song in over ten years, and plus, they no longer have Glenn singing or writing lyrics. But someone (I forget who) said that this new lineup was NOT the Misfits. I totally disagree with this. Have you ever listened to an AC/DC song after 1979? Did you know that their original singer died, and "Back in Black" was the first album that Brian Johnson did? I certainly think that their stuff with Brian Johnson is far better than without him. Also, look at Van Halen. Everybody's got a different opinion of who was better (David Lee Roth or Sammy Hagar), but I think that their newer stuff is just as good as their older stuff. I know that this is not always the case when a band changes lineups. Take Motley Crue, for instance. I know they're a cheesy band and all, but without Vince Neil they suck worse. But I blame that mainly on the band's decision to try and change their music style from cheese rock (which actually was pretty good) to a sad attempt at metal. I still haven't heard what Kryst the Conquerer sounded like, but from what I hear about this, it seems that Jerry and Doyle tried to change their sound too, and it didn't work. Another thing along this line is when Vince Neil left the band. His solo album (at least the first one - I have yet to hear his second one) sounds a lot like old Crue stuff. So why didn't he try to pass it off as Motley Crue? After all he was on original member, and lots of people felt he was the backbone of the band. I just think he was able to realize that one person doesn't make a band. Glenn may be a great songwriter, musician, and performer, but even he cannot be a one man band. So to call anything recorded by Samhain a Misfits song is crazy; it should be called a Misfits cover. I'm a big Danzig fan, but I'm worried what Danzig 5 will sound like for just this reason. Well, sorry for taking up so much room, but I sort of got carried away. Any comments or flamings are welcome. Hopefully this stimulates a little more interesting responses than John Doe's complete review of Collection II or some guy complaining that he's heard enough about RATM. Later, Doug ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 19:31:16 -0500 (EST) From: KEITH "GWAR" NOSS Subject: RE: "Attitude" Last Bible The Lonely Misfit commented about the lyrics to attitude. I was going to post about this a while ago but never got around to it. Devilock always does the lyrics this way: "Inside your fetal brain there's probably a hole" "If you dont shut your mouth your gonna feel the blow." Anyway, I definitely think it says "fetal" (as in fetus or infant) but the "blow" part I'm not so sure of. By the way, there are other tunes by the Misfits that I think are different lyrically from those on the page (no offense to those who posted them) such as London Dungeon's "british jail" instead of "british hell." I've always wanted to sit down and post my ideas to Mark about the lyrics and some of the guitar tab but I havent had the time. What do you think Mark? Perhaps we could all discuss it? just an idea. The Noss Devilock ------------------------------ From: Daniel Rodrigues Subject: questions and comments Date: Tue, 5 Dec 95 19:22:38 EST Hello Fiends, I'll start with my questions. What are the max's tapes? Who put out the christmas shirt? I heard from a guy that the undead is playing at the loft in Baltimore late december, anyone else? I think that any Glenn Danzig on or at his worst recording is better then anything else at it's peak. The misfits are clearly his best work. I'm finding that as I go on that each record he puts out has less staying power. I always go back to the first albums of Danzig the last are great but they don't seem to hold the water that the other do. Yes, Mark I also see a progression in his music, but it losing it's content. I once read an interview with Glenn and he says about 4p "they pay you for ten songs I gave them 12." What the hell is that? Im sure Glenn is still semi pure, I understand that Glenn Danzig needs to eat to. But anyways, I like Coll. 2 ( except for the WAU tracks) there is some good stuff but it doesn't hold up to the old stuff. The But if you compare those tracks to the old ones on WAU, EAD, and the boots or 7", they don't compare. I constantly find myself going back to the originals, probably alot of you do to. It's a shame that it is so hard to find this stuff. The two coll.s Glenn has done are good but they just done have that special something. I think alot of you agree with me. Don't get me wrong I still want them but I'd rather have the originals. Since I'm new I'll give my Favs: Misfits-- 1. Vampira 2. NOTLD 7" 3. Skulls(WAU) 4.Green Hell 5. Mommy? Samhain-- 1. The Howl 2. All murder 3. Moribund 4.All Hell 5.In my grip Danzig--1.Long way Back 2.Mother(original) 3.When death..4.Bringer of death 5. Twist of Cane. ------" The way that art starts to imitate life at the end of a gun, at the end of a Knife" Hasta la buhhhhh-byeeeeee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 22:13:25 -0500 From: cm-y.nikolopoulos@tees.ac.uk (Yannis) Subject: ___?____ Ok, I haven't written for a while now (since July...) but in the last few bibles there's so much crap floating around... Anyway, I got my copy of col. II on red vinyl (someone else asked and I'll ask again : in how many different colors is this thing out?). Cough/Cool : what a joke this version is...(not that I liked this song anyway). Overall, I thought (I'm no musician and I didn't play each song of II alongside the other version(s) I got) mostsongs were sounding very similar if not the same to other versions I already had (hatebreeders and nike being exceptions...and of course cough/cool :) ). After listening to col. II something Flex said ages ago came to mind... He was asking (Brent I think) if we *really* need a 40-canal remixed version of Mommy or any Misfits song...Hmmm, this collection got close to that :( . Oh yea, about Mephisto Waltz : I don't know (or care much) about Samhain...This song sounds to me like a boring punk song that a Misfits ripoff band would write. Still though, someone said that it could stand along WAU other songs (style wise!). Hell, I agree! BTW, Flex are you still around? Do you still take reviews for Flexbook?? Brent: It seems that you and EVB have a thing about life stories, huh? (sort of a personal old joke ;) ) That's it, Yannis ------------------------------ From: 102567.422@compuserve.com Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 09:04:36 -0500 Subject: Nike A Go-Go hey fiends I just had to say that I totally agree with what Geoffry King said about Glenn's voice in issue #125. His voice definately makes the music. I also seem to find the bands with outstanding vocalists to be my favorites. Also in 125 Crimson Ghost gave his opinion about the whole Mephitso Waltz issue and I, once again, totally agree with what he said. So now that he has cleared the issue all of you can stop bickering about if it's Samhain or the Misfits. (personally I think the song is awesome because I like the whole screaming bit) Finally I think that I might have a change in the Nike lyrics. instead of : Tracking systems check out pulse all systems go how about: Nike's system's checks are fucked all systems go Listen to the song again and have this line in mind when it comes on and see what you think. Maybe I have something wrong with my ears though because I think that in Hollywood Babylon he says "Unlit pornographic sign" thanks 102567 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 12:48:29 -0500 From: She Subject: Walk Among You Does anybody know anything about this bootleg? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 23:42:57 -0800 From: Mark Saalwaechter Subject: the dissection of collection II Okay, I just joined the list and got my first issue of the Misfits Bible, and it bothers me when everyone tears apart everything about Collection II. I got it before I knew about the overdubbings, changes, etc. and so I listened to it with a open mind and loved it. I can honestly say I liked every song on the album, especially "Return of the Fly" and "Last Caress". Sure, it is easy to over-analze every single aspect of every single song, but when it comes down to it, it's just great music, and to me, it sounds exactly like the Misfits I have grown to love. As for this new Misfits revival thing, I was shocked to hear they were getting back together. I may get a lot of crap for this, but I don't think the Misfits can even be the Misfits without Glenn. It was his voice and his lyrics that brought me to the band, and I can't imagine the Misfits without him. Of course, I will buy anything they produce. Take care ----- Mark RattFink on the IRC. ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 00:07:09 -0800 (PST) From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" Subject: politics... fiends, The last issue was delightfully absent of political discussion for the most part. It was neat to see some meaningful discussion going on. Anyways, I will make this painlessly short and sweet. After all the talk about politics and selling out and all those 'new' bands I refuse to mention, I decided to dust off my old Dead Kennedy's records from junior high and high school.(I was into them way...before i was into the misfits). It was a great experience. This is primarily directed at our younger crowd out there....If you think your band is politically active, just take a little time to listen to Jello and company. I think you might be surprised. In response to Sean's thanks to the "Old Schooler's", that goes for me too. Sorry about the political thought, I think I will go listen to the Misfits now.... :) ..."a hairstyle's not a lifestyle, imagine Sid Vicious at 35..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 01:22:11 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: Bible #126 Another round... CG: just to clarify, "Mephisto Waltz" WAS recorded by Samhain in Jan. 1984, although Glenn (not Eerie) played bass. Mark himself is once again the infallible source of this information... PS "Hollywood Babylon" should have been a regular part of the Misfits' set list. *wicked song*. But then, they all are, aren't they... james138:re: Danzig 5....why don't you wait to hear it before you judge it? And if I recall correctly, didn't EVB say Glenn himself told her it would NOT be industrial? I can't remember if it was you who mentioned something about Glenn selling out, but whoever did is grossly incorrect. After "Mother" was remixed, everyone claimed Glenn had sold out....too bad it was the same song that was on "Danzig" in 1988. And once again, when is evryone gonna stop whining about the altered "Cough/Cool"?? Glenn's overdubs are NOTHING new. As I mentioned once already in a previous post, he was doing this LONG before *almost* everyone on this list had ever heard of the Misfits. speaking of which... JP: You're information is incorrect (re: LOB and "Misfits" being 6 or 7 not 10 yrs old). LOB came out in 9/85 = 10 years; M came out in '86 = 9 years old. Plus Glenn intended to release Collection II in 1987 (or 86? can't remember...) Kriney: agreed re: colour/packaging of C2 = too flashy for Misfits. BTW, all of the original 7" singles (except Halloween and Evilive) say "The Misfits." For some reason, they never added "The" when they swiped the Famous Monsters of Filmland logo. Don Evil: agreed re: no one would know phrase "Evil is as Evil Does" had Glenn not stuck it in "All Hell Breaks Loose." Come to think of it, no one on the list would know any line of any MIsfits song without Glenn, since he wrote them all....a fact many people seem to forget the minute they hear some rumour or complaint about him, and want to add their own worthless comments criticizing him. Brian Trainor: sorry if I credited you with a comment about JM when I should not have...when I do these long posts, I read the Bible and scribble down who said what, so it's easier to make a direct response...apparently I erred in naming you (at least that's what I think your last post was saying to me...). Sorry. A. Proctor: You're wrong, Glenn should not be pitied. It is foolish to assume that Glenn is ashamed of or afraid of his Misfits background just because he doesn't want to talk about them etc. You said he's not proud of the Misfits...I believe that is incorrect: he was proud until sometime in 1982-83, at which point he felt the rest of the band was holding him back, so he formed Samhain and then later Danzig. Danzig is and always has been FAR more popular than the Misfits were, even before "Mother '93" came out. To say or imply, as *many* have, that he feels overshadowed by the Misfits is utterly ludicrous...he opposes Jerry and Doyle reforming because he believes the band ended over a decade ago, not because he fears they will become more popular without him. To suggest otherwise (not that you did in particular) is stupid. This is also why Glenn has/had no qualms about releasing LOB and Misfits on his own, and overdubbing LOB and C2 without the others. I am certain he feels he doesn't need them, or at the very least just doesn't care if they object. Someone else (sorry I didn't check) said Danzig 4p is the "most challenging..." etc etc album Glenn ever wrote. Lucifuge is still my favourite, but I agree, it (4p) is a great album, as are all the others. I don't believe Glenn has ever recorded a song that wasn't good in some way. The Misfits were great, but it IS a pity that so many on this list conclude that Glenn went downhill after he left. Danzig, the band, is the pinnacle of his musical achievement, in my eyes as well as his. It seems evryone wants to either say "Glenn sucks after the Misfits..." or "Danzig was good, but they went downhill after the 1st album..." blah blah... This is it: The Misfits are great, but Danzig is better in *many* ways. DANZIG...those of you who disagree can whine all you want, but Danzig is not going to disappear from this list, not as long as "All Songs Written by Glenn Danzig" appears on (okay most but not all) of his bands' albums. No one is stopping any of you from posting about The Undead or Kryst the Conqueror, and obviously not the (new) Misfits. At the same time, I think there must be pretty obvious reasons why Danzig has and always will receive more press: Danzig is better, Danzig has done more, GLENN DANZIG WROTE ALL MISFITS SONGS, and legally, Glenn Danzig was the only Misfit who could use that name for merchandise and albums etc, for a period of almost 11 years. That's almost twice as long as the MIsfits were even together in the first place. A few issues ago, I asked many of you to stop criticizing Glenn, believing rumours about Glenn, spreading false rumours about Glenn, etc etc. I see now that there is no way this will stop. You should all know that he doesn't care what you think. No, that doesn't mean that he has no patience or loyalty to his own Misfits fans, it *does* mean that he will not waste his time defending himself against those who either "have it in for him", or those who want him to revert to the way he was over a decade ago. I'm sick of defending him; it's a waste of my time, plus none of you will ever listen anyway. You're so used to hearing the worst about him that anyone who says otherwise is immediately written off as some gushing fanboy of his. Some of you say he "has gotten too big for his britches" or has some "rock star attitude"...this is not correct either. He is not THAT popular, nor has he ever been known or portrayed as a nice/outgoing person, except perhaps to those who meet him at the tour bus etc... He admits that he is not a nice person, but that is not a crime, and if it is, it is a flaw many of us also share, but certainly not a result of any money he has made or fame he enjoys. They call him the Wolf and the Evil Elvis for reasons, so don't attribute any supposed ego of his to some success he has achieved lately. I remind you all to go check the copyright and songwriting credits on your albums again...either you're blind or you missed something, or maybe you're just ingrates. And post all the "flames" you want because I said Danzig is better than the Misfits. I'll take Danzig 5 at the expense of a new Misfits album ANY day. (and NO, I did not make ANY criticism of Jerry, Doyle, C.H.U.D. and Michale reforming the Misfits, so don't even attempt to use something like this as ammunition against me). The only things in this post for which I will apologize are any possible misquotes, and the length. -Brett "...gonna build you a world of lies" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 11:07:41 -0600 (CST) From: gerry blaylock Subject: ? there are a lot of bootlegs of misfits concerts. does anybody have any of these and would make a copy? i have never seen the misfits live, and have never heard them live except for evilive. i've tried to get a vinyl copy of c2, but none of the stores around here will order vinyl. they only got one copy of the cd. i had a store that's about 20 miles away try to order one, but that's been awhile and nobody's been able to get it. could anybody out there sell me a vinyl copy? anybody want to sell any vinyl misfits? ------------------------------ From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 10:54:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: dumb stuff I think more fiends should tell Caroline what they want out of the box set. (i know the wheels are in motion and we probably cant change anything about it, but you never know...) Personally, i would like to see all the singles on one disc, with at least a CD sized reproduction of the front and back artwork of all singles in a CD booklet. What i dont want to see is the boring printed typewritter text of collection II, actually i dont want to see any lyrics. Years ago, when i first got WAU i really liked the mysterious nature of the album. (someone said this last issue, i have to agree) First time i looked at the cover i thought Glenn was a girl. I was compelled to listen to the album over and over i n a small way because i didn't know what the hell they were saying. My friends and i would listen to the album and try to figure out what was really being said. I like that sense of mystery about the 'fits. by the way, my most misinterpretted lyrics are: "microwave" from Vampira "jump so high your hair hangs limp" from Skulls "gonna make you corn flakes" from Devillock(well there was that bit about shredded wheat in NOTLD, i thought they might have some kind of cereal fetish) I saw collection II on record w/ the bar code sticker at the top of the back cover. In the discography it lists colored vinyl w/ the sticker at the bottom back cover. Does this mean the record i saw was plain black? Saw a video in the store called Sleepstalker, a freddy type flick, it's tag line on the box was "evil never dies". Speaking of boxes, I know this isnt enough to be an influence, but I saw an old movie poster for Edger Allen Poe's the Oblong Box. It made me think of Die,Die. It was a cool pster of a guy in a coffin, i might have to get it. More really dumb stuff: I dont really like misfit sightings, but some of you do, so anyway GangGreens live album(i paid a dime for it) has a crowd shot with a guy w/ a 'fits patch and a girl w/ a Samhain shirt. Michale Graves is a cool name. I wonder if Michale e-manual sex drive was in the running too just kiddin jamil ------------------------------ From: REAGANPR@vax1.acs.jmu.edu Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 13:42:58 -0500 (EST) Subject: Coney Island photos Alright. Sorry to everyone who has been asking about photos...thanks for being patient. Here's the deal: The photos are still available to those who asked me if they were or not. I have been busy recently w/ finals approaching and Thanxgiving break. This is what I can do...I can get double reprints for around $9 and it costs me $1 to send each set. I need to check on the prices for the color copies, but it should be about $1 or less. As for the color enlargements, as I mentioned in a previous bible 5x7's are 1.99 each and 8x10's are 3.19 each, that is if I am correct. the prices were correct when I mentioned them previously. Personally, I think that the total package of 27 pictures would be pretty cool because you can enlarge the ones you like later, plus I have no clue what you really want because there are still some that are cool but are not on the page. Whatever you guys want is fine though. Just whoever is interested in the total package e-mail me first and I will send them before I leave for christmas. pat. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 13:25:26 -0600 From: Eric Gulbrandsen Subject: Rollins & Danzig Hello Fellow Fiends: This is my first post. I recently attended a Rollins spoken word show in Appleton WI. After the show some friends and I went back to talk to him. The first thing he noticed when I came up was the Misfits MAXS-XMAS t shirt that I had on and asked me if it was a bootleg. When I told him the story he kind of was a little leary about it. After talking for a bit I asked him if he'd ever considered doing a tour with Danzig. He said it never came up but he'd bring it up to Glenn next time that he talked to him. I don't know if this is a consideration of his or just that it never came up between them. I guess that they are pretty good friends and all. When I talked to Glenn after their show last December in Milwaukee he basically said the same thing, that they were good friends and that It never came up, so hopefully this is something to look forward in the future. If anybody has any Misfits videos for sale or to copy and trade for other materials please e-mail me, I'll even pay for copied videos, because I have only seen one out there, also Samhain and Danzig. even any live shows, I have a few but not a whole lot to offer in exchange. Also another Misfits sighting, I saw a poster of them on some GWAR home video, I don't remember which one though. If anybody here feels like talking online during the day go to http://nytsyn.com/chi-bin/times/general/chat this is a chatline that I am on alot of the time during the day. I'm usually somebody that is pissing off everybody else. C-Ya Gulliver ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< "I saw the top of the mountain, and it was good!!" -Butthead e-mail any comments or video and live footage availability to egulbrandsen@foxvalley.tec.wi.us ><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>< ------------------------------ Subject: punk rock Date: Wed, 6 Dec 95 18:36:37 EST From: "Robert F. Randall" Just a few things I would like to say in this, my first post. The Misfits do not have a strictly punk rock following. For the most part I have never really cared for punk rock, ska, or Oi!, I listen to bands like; Slayer, Deicide, Morbid Angel, and various other metal bands. Don't get me wrong, the Misfits are my favorite band, and Samhain is a close second, but I think Danzig's new music rules too. In the area where I live there are an over abundance of people who have the same punk rock hair, clothes, chains, and so forth. I used to hang out with some of these people because of a common interest in the Misfits,but when they found out my other musical interests, they stopped hanging out with me. Why? Because they stereotype metal fans as being morons or rednecks, and some how all punk rock is intelligent and revolutionary. My answer to this is, listen to the Meatmen or G.G. Allin, thats really intelligent. And another thing, if you don't like Danzig's new music, don't listen to it, there are some of us that like to talk about it on this page. Also if there are other people on this page lurking around that share the same musical interests as I do, please e-mail me. Thanks for listening, Rob Randall bus5rfr@hibbs.vcu.edu ------------------------------ From: PUNK22221@aol.com Date: Wed, 6 Dec 1995 20:54:44 -0500 Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #126 to: the misfit bible. hello.. i am a new misfit bible subscriber.. only for about 3 months now.. and i really enjoy it.. last night at about 10:30 i got a call from my friend in HB and he said Glenn (danzig!) was on love line on KROQ so i tuned in and taped it.. he talks alot about his comics and about sex, music, what happens to your soul when you die, ect(ya know all the usual) but anywazz i have a copy of it. maybe i will post it on the misfit bible but it will be very long.. would anyone like to be a copy off me? ill sell it for like 2$ and the cost of the stamp... some guy called up asking what is hybrid moments about and glenn said something laim.. he is cool i guess but hes really into stuff im not but thats cool.. he seems cool.. on the 15th or something he'll be at comics unlimited in garden grove maybe ill go get his signature on like a misfit thingy i have. is he even friends with jerry anymore? in my opinion jerry (and doyle) is one of the coolest people ever.. but im just one of the many people in this over populated world and my opinion is far to small to be heard by the masses of disenfranchised youth out there... haha bye (PS.. JOHN IS FRUITY) -punk22221(on aol) the best song ever is last caress and then digital bitch.. if anyone knows what band played the song called digital bitch and who the lineup for that album was ill give em a free copy of glenns love line appearance.. ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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DANZIG VIDEOS WANTED Verotik/Planet Comics, Oklahoma Collection II, just cuz it's trendy... C 2 Bible Post IRC??? misfits sighting Devilock EARTH AD...ON CD...GIMMIE. RE: Misfits Bible, #127 secret messages... Adios amigos! Mephisto Waltz Lyrics? Re: My MiSfiTS PaGE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:07:36 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: last issue (left out of MB #127 by accident...) --->B.M.Fama Said This: ***(Seriously chopped up quote to follow:) >I must tell you, I really couldn't give half a shit what anyone on this >list thinks, unless they have ideas or information about Glenn Danzig's >bands, NOT arguments to start just so they can use garbage insults they >want to sling around, and make themselves look educated or smart about some >particular topic........ **** Note: Just Glenn's bands??? >..Against the Machine does, or what any other non-Glenn Danzig band does >for that matter. BUT, for those of you complaining about us dissecting... *** Again Glenn's bands????? >...but if you don't want to read about *Real* Misfits information, just press >your space bar and shut up. **Hmmmmm this is all pretty funny@!! last time I checked the Misfits weren't a Glenn Danzig Band......!!!! thank God Scene's I'd like to see: Glenn on his knees in front of Jerry, begging him to let him sing. prolog for above: Glenn's latest "flavor of the week" music has finally run it's course and has become extinct. ohh well, a guy can dream can't he??? Seriously, if you want to only talk about Glenn, there's a bunch of bannana heads that do just that, it's called . This list is called The Misfits Bible, it is first and foremost, about the Misfits, and "Misfit's related bands" The *ONLY* reason Danzig gets mention here is because he was spawned from the misfits, *not* because his band is good/bad/indifferent. --->Brain Trainor said: >and, at any rate, i'd also like to say that Glenn is no longer in the >Misfits, so why bother discussing his stuff? i mean, and not to sound >bitchy, i thought this was The MISFITS Bible, not "What Glenn Danzig's >Doing Now" Bible... just my thougts... Couldn't help repeating this. don't get me wrong I like glenn and all. It's just that lately his music has become a bit to "cock rocky" for me. Really, think about "Until you call on the dark" this tune really gives me the feeling of Motely crue on MTV. What I really mean to say is Glenn was at his best, vocally & writing(Lyrics), with the 'Fits ---->Brent Christopher Eyestone wrote: >loose. So keep reading the bibles and you'll be okay. Also, for putting up >with all of that crap he received from the RATM issue, I will be rewarding >the Crimson Ghost with complementary copies of these tapes. Let this be a >lesson - respect your elders!! Also, you might want to get familiar with >HIS homepage, as the next quiz just might draw from it as well. Thanks again, Brent awww geee >4.) Their last name is of course Caiafa and their dad works at Proedge, a >knife factory second only to Exacto! Their dad, I might add, not only works at Proedge but is the owner of Proedge; A company that puts out a product not only superior to Exacto, but cheaper than Exacto. btw: I no longer work there. I'm _almost_ completely self-employed. :) %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * Frank Zappa % % "In the fight between you and the world, back the world." * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 01:53:23 -0600 (CST) From: "J. Jorden" Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #127 Hey... anyway, I think we should let Caroline know what we want out of the box... Personally I'd like to see: All singles, ESPECIALLY Cough/Cool & She on one disc; Walk Among Us alternate versions disc (some of these are really interesting and way bettr than that Collection II bullshit); 77-80 alternate versions disc; post WAU alternate versions disc; and a live disc... oh and also a Static Age dics :). SO that would be like a 6 record or maybe 3 or 4 cd box set. That would be so great... and aside from the remastered old catalog, that's all i could want of the originals :) anyhow... are you listening caroline? :) oh, and here's the entry from the original Trouser Press guide. Great resource, get it....: Misfits ------- BEWARE THE MISFITS ep (nr/Cherry Red) 1980 [sic?] THE MISFITS WALK AMONG US (Ruby/nr) 1982 Although considered part of the hardcore punk scene, New Jersey's Misfits date back to the first CBGB/London punk surge. Drawing their sound from the Ramones and the Damned- and their look from horror movies and Kiss (!)- the 'fits released a string a singles on thier own (wonderfully named) Plan 9 label. Two of their better US-only maxi-singles, "Bullet" and "Horror Business," are compiled on the English BEWARE THE MISFITS ep, and epitomize what makes the Misfits great: a combination of hooky powerchording, weird horrific lyrics, and singer Glenn Danzig's distinctive basso roar.... After years as a strictly underground force, the Misfits seized on the emergance of hardcore in the '80s and grafted horror punk onto slam thrash. As a result, THE MISFITS WALK AMONG US practically wallows in shock imagery. (With songs like Astro... how could it be otherwise?) Unfortunately by aligning themselves with the speedrock crowd, the 'Fits replaced the leisurely whomp-whack of the early singles with a faster, stiffer beat that robs many of the songs of their innate tunefulness. Live, the Misfits are sometimes great, more often sloppy and condescending, their shows as much cheap spectacle as music. But with a new drummer (Robo, ex-Black Flag) and several new records in the works, punk's cool ghouls aren't ready to be written off yet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 06 Dec 1995 16:14:05 -0500 (EST) From: 01caholland@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Collection II vinyl Hello, this is my first post although I have been subscribing for a while now. A friend and I both recently got Collection II on vinyl. His is a clear aquamarine and mine is red. I'm curious to know if anyone knows what other colors there are or how many of each color were printed. Thanks! Catherine *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ Don't be dismayed at good-byes. A farewell is necessary before you can meet again. And meeting again, after moments or lifetimes, is certain for those who are friends. *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ ------------------------------ From: Stewart Gallacher <9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: MISFITS Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 11:09:30 +0000 (GMT) I'd just like to say that I agree whole-heartedly with the comments Brett made regarding Glenn Danzig. I think it's interesting to notice that those who support Glenn in their mailings (myself included) are not in the main being insulting towards Jerry and doyle and their "new" band. I think it is very petty the way many people who have never met or spoken to Glenn at length feel the need to attack him at such a personal level. To my knowledge few people on the Bible know Glenn that well, and those who do (like EVB) seemed to get on with him pretty well. I think one thing that can be categorically stated is that while Glenn's song writing abilities are known, the ability of the new Misfits to write music and lyrics remains an unknown quatity- therefore judgment on their ability to "be" the Misfits remains unknown. Whatever thei skills in this area though, it will not be the same band and to use the same name seems to me rather misleading. For the misfits, as I have said before, we need both Glenn and Jerry in the band. I think any of the other members are interchangeable, but these two are essential- the Misfits were not Jerry and Doyles band which a guy called Glenn happened to sing for- it was Glenn and Jerry's band, and without either of them it's a different group altogether and should have a diiferent name. I don't think from what I have heard Glenn is particularly not proud of his Misfits past. The fact that he does no want to talk about it in interviews and does not want to reform the band does not mean that he feels overshadowed in any way by that band- he simply wants to discuss what he is doing know, which IS what he wants to do and is in his opinion better than what he did in the past. While some of us may disagree and believe that the misfits were his best work, that does not mean that he should hold that opinion. -Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 11:02:27 -0800 From: Vincent Price Subject: We Are 138...soon. Well, fiends, issue number 138 of the bible is only 10 issues away, and I think we should all do something special for it. I'm proposing that all us fiend out here in cyberspace write in to 138 with a story on how we got into the Misfits, or how the Misfits have influeneced our lives, or something like that...just little stories about the Misfits, no talk about RATM, no "Who played on Mephisto Waltz?"-posts, just happy little stories about the guys we know a love just a little too well. It's only a suggestion, but I know I'm gonna follow it. Mark Nance creator of the WonderCup(tm) and manager of...oh, you know. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:30:39 -0500 (EST) From: eRiC sNoOk Subject: Live Stuff... Well, as the debate of Collection II, Danzig Selling Out, and Misfit's sightings drag on [Hey, I know, I've been guitly of some of those posts], I got to think about live shows. For the most part, nearly every bootlegged show of the Misfits has been of the worse quality imaginable. Does anyone have any suggestions? I remember that the "If you Don't know the Name of this Song . . . What the fuck are you doing here" album was pretty good (Aside from the immature flaming of the Undead by the Misfits ((i.e. Bobby Steele is a homosexual... asshole fucking cunt... The Undead suck etc. ad naseum)) and a few others). Okay, I know that this show was put on another CD but don't know it off the top of my head (I know, read the homepage) but if anyone knows, thanks. Also, if anyone knows of any other live boots that are any good that info would be appreciated. Mark: Since a lot of the problem with releasing old Misfits stuff has been copywright/legal ones, what's the deal with the following: 1) Who Killed Marilyn/Spook City U.S.A. I figured if Glenn did it all, he can release it. Is he ashamed/not pleased with the outcome? Problem with Plan 9 label??? and 2) Unholy Passion. You can get Samhain I, and Samhain III, but not Samhain II? I prefer the Unholy Passion 12" versions over the Final Descent. Is it because lack of demand? Any information, hypothesis, or off the wall ideas would be kewl. .,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+' Eric Snook University of Michigan snook@umich.edu `'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 10:52:13 -0600 (CST) From: gerry blaylock Subject: d i went through the web page yesterday to vinyl inks spot and on new releases for nov. 16 was a misfits 7" called "revenge will be ours" for $7.00. it said it was live stuff. is this a bootleg? eerie von is really the nicest guy. he's answered every question i've asked him. he said that he has danzig live blues acoustic show in hollywood on video and audio. this statement was follwed by many ha ha's. ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #127 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:06:48 -0500 (EST) > From: KEITH "GWAR" NOSS > "Inside your fetal brain there's probably a hole" > "If you dont shut your mouth your gonna feel the blow." > Anyway, I definitely think it says "fetal" (as in fetus or infant) but the > "blow" part I'm not so sure of. By the way, there are other tunes by the > Misfits that I think are different lyrically from those on the page (no > offense to those who posted them) such as London Dungeon's "british jail" > instead of "british hell." I've always wanted to sit down and post my ideas > to Mark about the lyrics and some of the guitar tab but I havent had the > time. What do you think Mark? Perhaps we could all discuss it? just an idea. Yes, let's discuss it. Everybody READ the following: The lyrics on the home page (and in the archive.uwp.edu FTP music server) were originally compiled by people on this and other punk mailing lists. Specifically, these great pioneers included Kate and Rob Sumner, a guy from Isreal named Victor? and myself. These lyrics were taken to NJ by Johnathan Grimm. He and Jerry sat down and corrected the lyrics as best they could, using Jerry's memory whenever possible. Here is the EXACT breakdown of the corrections: all songs on all singles except for Cough/Cool: Johnathan Grimm/Jerry Only Static Age LP: Johnathan Grimm/Jerry Only/Doug Evil Walk Among Us LP: lyric sheet/Jerry Only Earth AD: Johnathan Grimm Die Die My Darling 12" (3 songs): Johnathan Grimm Legacy Of Brutality leftovers ("Spinal Remains" "She" "American Nightmare") I took those lyrics and put them on the page. For the most part, they were very similar to the lyrics originally on the page back in the Fall of '94. As far as I know, the lyrics I received are those being used by the band during live performances. In fact, those of you who have the Michale Graves rehearsal session recording from 4/24/95 will notice that he says "When you breed you make your bed" during "Hybrid Moments" even though the original version doesn't say this. Until Glenn sends the corrected versions back to The Misfits, those 'incorrect' lyrics are the ones the band is going by. It's just a matter of time before we get the 'Official' lyrics from Glenn. The lyrics from Collection II were proofread by Jerry and eventually we'll have the rest, in late February in the box set. As far as tab goes, it's very possible that there are errors, but I usually trust The Misfits Bible Official Tabmen Ryq and Rob. > From: Daniel Rodrigues > > I'll start with my questions. What are the max's tapes? Who put out the > christmas shirt? I heard from a guy that the undead is playing at the loft > in Baltimore late december, anyone else? I think that any Glenn Danzig on Max's tapes = tape of Max's show from 12/22/78 that was going to be released as Max's Xmas live album on Christmas 1995, but was cancelled by Caroline after Glenn complained. Xmas shirt = Basil Gogos artwork shirts sold by band to promote Max's LP Undead = Bobby doesn't even have a lineup together, but it's always possible. if the show is happening, EVB or I will know beforehand. > From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu > I saw collection II on record w/ the bar code sticker at the top of the > back cover. In the discography it lists colored vinyl w/ the sticker at the > bottom back cover. Does this mean the record i saw was plain black? As far as I know, no black vinyl copies were pressed, but I can't figure out why the sticker was so high up, unless it was just another red vinyl copy. Jerry told me this morning that it was only pressed in red, green, and clear. mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:06:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua E. Teixeira" Subject: live Misfits Hi...this is my first post to the list. I'm responding to Gerry Blaylock's question re: live Misfits recordings, other than Evilive. I've got a few that I'd be willing to copy for him, or anybody on the list for a price of a blank tape and postage, if anyone is interested: 1. Fiend Club 2. "If You Don't Know What This Next Song Is... What The Fuck Are You Doing Here" recorded at Hittsville (?) in Passaic, NJ, but I forget when. 3. The Misfits - this is a live recording broadcast on a Michigan station (WCBN), I'm not sure when. It's pressed on cool purple vinyl, but the sound isn't that great. 4. Live! '79 - The Perfect Crime! 7" 5. Misfits - Braineaters. German import So, if anyone is interested, e-mail me...later, josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 15:40:14 EST From: Ken Graf Subject: Scratch the question on Max's x-mas I posted a question a little while ago but I have since been enlightened by the ever informative Misfits homepage so ignore the earlier question about the Max' s x-mas album and just answer me this. Is it possible that anyone on this list has heard any of it. This I would like to know. Also, what are the chances of it ever coming out? Thanx. --Ken PS Check out the Crimson Ghost's new skull on the homepage if you have not already. Human eyes! Fucking CREEPY! ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey King Subject: stuff on my mind. Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:28:22 -0500 (EST) hello, me again. umm, my thoughts on the attitude lyrics "inside your FEEBLE brain, there's probably a whore, if you don't shut your mouth you're gonna be on the floor." with feeble instead of beatle mainly. but beatle still sounds cool. i also thought for a long time in violent world that glenn said "come on, come on, come on somebody walk with me" but it's "come on, come on. come on to the violent world with me"...i like my lyrics to it better. i still haven't purchased collection II. i'll get it when i have a positive cashflow i guess. if doyle's real name is Paul, then where the hell did he get Doyle from? is that his middle name (sorry if this is on the homepage, i just haven't had time to check it recently). as for the new misfits...are they going to actually write any new material, or just be a "cover" band. i mean, they aren't truly a cover band, but i think you know what i'm getting at. seeya ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 14:40:03 EST From: Ken Graf Subject: Max's x-mas I have a question and please don't bust my balls if it's a stupid one. I am a BIG fucking misfits fan and usually keep pretty up to date with released boot- legs and such. However, I live in a relatively sheltered from cool stuff city. I saw the Max's x-mas shirt in a store (the only good store for shirts near me) and it got me wondering. Then, I subscribed to the bible and started hearing all this stuff about a Max's x-mas album. What's the deal? Was this album actually released, or just intended to be released, or scheduled to be released ? If it was put out, I cannot find it around where I live. Someone PLEASE fill me in. Thanx. --Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:51:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Joshua E. Teixeira" Subject: Misfits sighting Hi...I meant to include this with my other post, but I forgot. Also, I tried to look over back issues to see if this was already mentioned, so if it was, sorry. I know Misfits sightings can get kind of boring, but this one is kind of interesting. There is this movie "Candyman: Farewell to the Flesh" and its about this guy named Candyman who goes around killing people (surprise!) He only appears if you look into a mirror and say his name three times. Well, anyways, there's this kid in the movie who's obssesed with the legend of the Candyman, and there's this one scene inside this kid's drawing room which is filled with gruesome drawings and candles. The camera is looking up from the floor when this lady picks up the kid's notebook and looks at some of the drawings in it. When she picks it up, the back of the notebook is covered with little Crimson Ghosts. Well, that's it. Sorry so long. -josh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 15:26:11 -0800 From: Mark Saalwaechter Subject: Attitude lyrics >From: KEITH "GWAR" NOSS >Subject: RE: "Attitude" > >Last Bible The Lonely Misfit commented about the lyrics to attitude. I was >going to post about this a while ago but never got around to it. Devilock >always does the lyrics this way: > "Inside your fetal brain there's probably a hole" > "If you dont shut your mouth your gonna feel the blow." I am not sure about "blow" replacing "floor", but the first line makes a lot more sense with these lyrics...the lyrics written in collectionII really don't make too much sense...But if they went through Glenn and Jerry, then I would have to agree with them...just my thoughts... ---Mark---RattFink on the Irc--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 95 21:48:40 EST From: Special-K Subject: Applause for Bret Bret, I give you a standing ovation for your entry in the last Bible. You took the words right out of my mouth. While I was reading it I felt like I was the person expressing my feelings. Way to go ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 07 Dec 1995 13:19:05 CST From: JP On the recent Misfits sightings, no one mentioned one from the Comedy Central Labor day Advertisement (yeah, I know it's been a couple months). There's a guy with a military jacket with a t-shirt sewn onto his back that's got the skull on it. Another old sighting was from when I was in LA i saw this show called "Small wonder." It had that woman bailiff from Night Court in jail wearing a misfits T-shirt. I had to laugh, because I had just bought the shirt a few hours before. No one's mentioned just how the "new" Misfits sound. My friend was worried that they've gone down the path many punk bands do in their old age and turned metal (yeah yeah, I know, but neither of us can dig metal). I'm just curious as to whether or not they are. Lastly, I think Glenn is being overrated in his role with the Misfits, and Jerry underrated. Oh yeah, will the Misfits go on tour? Or are they just gonna hang around up north and avoid the deep south (like most sensible bands)? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 20:59:48 -0800 From: Devilman138 138 Subject: Verotik Tour Just got back from the singing at Golden Apple on Melrose Ave. Glenn was there with an artist signing copies of the new Verotik title IGRAT. Have not read it yet, but the art looks great! There are also pictures from the San Diego Conn. with Glenn, Frazetta, Go Nagai, and Bisley. Glenn said that "Hand of Doom" was recorded for the next Danzig record. He also mentioned that the guy from Alice And Chains (Jerry Cantral-not sure on the name?) did a lead for that track. Can't wait to hear it. I saw Danzig perform that song in Tampa, Florida and it was incredible! 4p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 1995 06:10:23 -0500 (EST) From: 02tjthompson@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Re: #127 >From: "B.M. Fama" > ---bunch of stuff deleted--- >This is it: The Misfits are great, but Danzig is better in *many* ways. >DANZIG...those of you who disagree can whine all you want, but >Danzig is not going to disappear from this list, not as long as "All >Songs Written by Glenn Danzig" appears on (okay most but not all) of his >bands' albums. No one is stopping any of you from posting about The >Undead or Kryst the Conqueror, and obviously not the (new) Misfits. At >the same time, I think there must be pretty obvious reasons why Danzig >has and always will receive more press: Danzig is better, Danzig has done >more, GLENN DANZIG WROTE ALL MISFITS SONGS, and legally, Glenn Danzig was >the only Misfit who could use that name for merchandise and albums etc, >for a period of almost 11 years. That's almost twice as long as the >MIsfits were even together in the first place. > >A few issues ago, I asked many of you to stop criticizing Glenn, >believing rumours about Glenn, spreading false rumours about Glenn, etc etc. >I see now that there is no way this will stop. You should all know that >he doesn't care what you think. No, that doesn't mean that he has no >patience or loyalty to his own Misfits fans, it *does* mean that he will >not waste his time defending himself against those who either "have it in >for him", or those who want him to revert to the way he was over a decade >ago. > >I'm sick of defending him; it's a waste of my time, plus none of you will >ever listen anyway. You're so used to hearing the worst about him that >anyone who says otherwise is immediately written off as some gushing fanboy of >his. Some of you say he "has gotten too big for his britches" or has some >"rock star attitude"...this is not correct either. He is not THAT >popular, nor has he ever been known or portrayed as a nice/outgoing person, >except perhaps to those who meet him at the tour bus etc... He admits >that he is not a nice person, but that is not a crime, and if it is, it >is a flaw many of us also share, but certainly not a result of any money >he has made or fame he enjoys. They call him the Wolf and the Evil Elvis >for reasons, so don't attribute any supposed ego of his to some success he >has achieved lately. > Finally...someone has put into words what I have been wanting to say...but didn't know how to without sounding like an idiot. I have all the respect in the world for Jerry and Doyle...but if it weren't for my roommate playing Danzig and getting me started with Danzig I and II, I would have never discovered the Misfits. (BTW...my roommate is a Bible subscriber...but has yet to speak...c'mon Collin...I know you've got some shit to add here) Later. Tim Fav's: Misfits: We are 138, TFM (Static Age Demo Version), Bloodfeast, DDMD Samhain: Archangel, Descent, All Murder..., November's Fire Danzig: Twist of Cain, Sistinas, Her Black Wings, Tired of Being Alive ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 11:57:09 0000 From: "." Subject: "Subscribe" Hi everybody i was wonderin=B4 are Undead any good ? All comments appreciated. thankz... ------------------------------ From: Adam Christensen Subject: Glenn and more Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:11:51 -0500 (EST) Hello, I am brand spanking new to the misfits bible so please bear with me if I say some stuff that has been said before. I go to purdue university in west lafayette, indiana. But I doubt that any of you give a rats ass about that so lets get to the misfits shit. In the last issue someone was complaining about collection 2, in fact alot of people were. I think that glenn did not want us to like it and that he only put the record out to piss off jerry and doyle. By redoing some of the tracks and supposedly playing bass, guitar, and drums he is trying to say that the misfits are nothing without him. He oblviosly wants to be the only one in the spotlight, he never really gave the guys in danzig a chance to do their own things, he wrote ALL the music and he makes it a point to let everyone know this. I am not positive but I think that he wrote All of the misfits stuff. ( could someone please confirm this please?) Don't let glenn ruin the collection 2 album, it is great that all those songs are available now, re-recorded-overdubbed or whatever. Don't get me wrong, I think that glenn is a musical genius and I love just about everything that he has done ( johnny cash? gimme a break!) He is famous for his misical abilities not for his shitty holier than thou attitude. But who the hell wants a nice glenn? It is just better for him to be the big rough and tough guy that doesn't take anybody's shit. It goes with his image, who knows, maybe he is all an act? On another note I have the creepy compilation video and the picture quality is miserable, are all copies of the video like this? I am willing to pay anybody that has any other misfits bootleg video, even copies. I agree with all of you that say the lyrics for attitude are " Fetal Brain " but Either way they don't make any sense, "inside your feeble (fetal) brain there's probably a whore" What the hell!! What do you guys think? Well, that's it for now. Please feel free to rip my arguments to shreds if you must. Please excuse all the typos, I can't type worth a damn. I ain't no goddamn son of a bitch, Adam Christensen ------------------------------ From: Daniel Rodrigues Subject: Comments and help wanted Date: Fri, 8 Dec 95 13:45:11 EST Hello fiends, Just a few things to comment on. I just want to add this is my opinion, so Im not trying to twist youre arm. Some people get so upset, so people get so viscous on this group. >From: wallace836@vegas.email.net >Date: Tue, 5 Dec 1995 12:10:43 PST >Subject: Danzig V >I hear that Glen is recording (or even finished) the next Danzig album. Sine >we already know who "Danzig" really is, should this new album even be >considered as part of that band? >Personally, I've always considered "Danzig" to be Glen's solo band, > Perhaps the title Danzig V is misleading (it might not even >be the title of the final album), but what Danzig fan is going to refuse to >buy this album? Personally I feel that this is a good thing. I think that one of the beautys to Glenns music is its simplicity. You can see it in the chords to his songs always 3-6. Although Im disappointed that Eerie is gone but Im not sad about John. If I wanted to hear some self indulgent guitar Id break out my Van Halen. John is a great guitarist but Glenn needs to get back to his roots. I think will be one of his best works if he plays instruments, and not an album of sadistikal tunes. >From: Mark Saalwaechter >Subject: the dissection of collection II >As for this new Misfits revival thing, I was shocked to hear they >were getting back together. I may get a lot of crap for this, but I don't > think the Misfits can even be the Misfits without Glenn. It was his voice > and his lyrics that brought me to the band, and I can't imagine the Misfits > without him. Of course, I will buy anything they produce. I disagree. Jerry and Doyle did more for the band then just play on command. There is no way they could not have had a great deal of input to the music. Also Jerry was there from the start, so he had to have a great deal of influence. The music and lyrics are all credited to Glenn but you have to realize that this was a different time. They just wanted to play music and didnt look at it from the business side, thats what punk is all about. Jerry said in an interview in MMR that Glenn wrote 99% of the music, also that he had to work all the time to finance the group. So if this true he has as much a right to the misfits as Glenn does. Jerry and Doyle embody the spirit of the Misfits, they will be awesome. Also I am desperately trying to get some misfits boots if you could Email me and help a fellow fiend I would appreciate it.-------drodrigu@acme.highpoint.edu Danny Now I know why youre dead ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 13:57:37 -0500 (EST) From: Sudamatron Subject: Washington CityPaper vol 15 no 49 dec 8-14 1995 Long before H.R. Giger served him with court documents via crowdsurfer, before Johnny Cash bolstered a comeback album with his "Thirteen," and before the band bearing his surname topped the American Recordings roster, Glenn danzig fronted New Jersey's Misfits. Nothing if not careerist (when the band's members aspired to open a U..K. tour for the Damned, they simply showed up uninvited), the 'Fits kept pace with the late-'70s/early-'80s underground by shifting from melodic shock-punk to blazing-thud horror-core. A document of this musical devolution, Collection II also memorializes Danzig's unflagging devotion to his lyrical muse. Track after track lampoons rock extremity, whether in the guise of the unrepentant tough guy ("Spit up blood when you cough/Cool, cook, cool") or the wistful Satanist ("Dead cats hanging from poles/Little dead are out in droves/I remember Halloween"). The CD booklet takes pains to inform the studious listener that the delerious incantation of "Halloween II" is delivered in a Latin it prefers to call "non-standard" rather than "illiterate." I imagine, however, that recollections of "Last Caress" are responsible for Danzig's greatest professional satisfaction. Marrying an impreccable retro-'50s, Ramones-style rip-off of a tune to words so outrageous that the very idea of evil is rendered ridiculous ("Well I got something to say/I raped your mother today/And it doesn't matter mucht to me/As long as she spread"), it seems destined to draw the attention of prying, worried parents. The aging Danzig probably figured that the folks of neopunk-struck teens could benefit from his perspective. And why not? Metallica boosted the Misfits legend by convering the band's songs on 1987's Garage Days Re-Revisited, and Danzig's post-'Fits outfit, Samhain, made sure to keep the early songs before the public by re-recording them. It's only slightly less comely to re-resurrect this posthumous powerhouse on the backs of the Offspring. -- Glenn Dixon Adam "If I'm curt with you, it's because time is a factor. I think fast, I talk fast, and I need you guys to act fast if you want to get out of this. So pretty please, with sugar on top..." ------------------------------ Subject: TFM 7" From: brian trainor Date: Fri, 08 Dec 95 21:44:47 EST ok, this is response to mark: I saw it in Lancaster at a shop called Web Of Sound. the owner/operator was a huge misfits fan, so he may have just had it on display. it was a few years back, so it's been a while. the store closed down, however, due to some drunken bastards beating him down for his "alleged" homosexuality in some redneck bar in Lancaster. that is the last place i saw it. sorry if that's not enough to go off... ok, now for my request: Does anyone know anything about Eyes to Despise? it recently turned up in a local record store and the guy won't sell it to me until he knows if it's rare or just a bootleg... it has the Static Age single on it if that helps anyone. please, if anyone has any knowledge on this, tell me so i know whether to buy it or hold someone hostage until they give it to me. thanks. Brian Trainor Evil SORTA Dies, but being Evil, it returns. ------------------------------ From: Geoffrey King Subject: forgive my silliness Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 23:53:13 -0500 (EST) whoopS! in my last post i said something really stupid..hehe. when i was talking about the lyrics to attitude, i actually put in the right lyrics. stupid me. i thought they were something else, but then i checked the home page, and my assumptions were right. oh well. sorry for the silliness, but i meant the rest of what i said. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 00:30:45 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: stuff nothing in the last issue really got me in the mood to write one of those huge responses of mine, so you guys'll be spared for once. someone re-started the practice of naming favourite songs, something I realized I've never done, so... (not necessarily in any order and subject to change): MISFITS: hybrid moments, night of the living dead (7" version), astro zombies (WAU version), last caress, return of the fly, all hell breaks loose (WAU version), queen wasp SAMHAIN: he-who-can-not-be-named, all murder..., halloween II, kiss of steel, novembers fire, mephisto waltz (yes, it does belong here), horror biz DANZIG: brand new god, little whip, devil's plaything, killer wolf, snakes of christ, dirty black summer, twist of cain, soul on fire, virtually anything else on any of the 4 albums or Thrall OTHER: you and me (less than zero) - Glenn Danzig and the Power and Fury Orchestra see you fiends later, -Brett "...this isn't really anything I think I like..." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 11:37:32 -0500 From: She Subject: 2nd prize package Yannis Nikolopoulos and Paul Holstein won the Fiend Club address contest. Paul actually was a member at one time... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 95 15:04:30 -0800 From: Heather Chaney Subject: mail subscribe Guys, I just want to write to tell you what a fine, fine home page this is. I have a fairly half decent vinyl collection, seven inches as well as original L.P.'s. Most are second pressings although a lot are colored vinyl. I'm looking to add to my collection so if anyone would like to correspond with me through the mail, my adress is Mike Holland,405 Avirett ave. Cumberland, MD., 21502. If you would like to e-mail me please send any messages to force133@aol.com Nuff said. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 1995 19:29:31 -0500 (EST) From: Gabriel Palczewski Subject: Various Things: Danzig V, Collection II Crap Ok the first thing was to whoever posted about Danzig V. If Glenn has finished this he will have done everything on the album except the drums and you are right Danzig is GLENN's solo band. Like Sting, Phil Collins, or Sammy Hagar, Danzig is Glenn's and I don't think there should be one piss or moan about it when it comes out like there is about COLLECTION II how its not the Misfits blah blah boolah shit. I don't want to see it and its old. If you think he's being an asshole by releasing COLLECTION II the way he did then DON'T BUY IT! God, he released it to make money obviously and money he made but if all your gonna do is piss and moan about it then don't buy it. Like any album it has highs and lows but I'm sick of bitchfest '95 over that damn CD. Back to Danzig V... as I was saying it is his band and he can do all the instruments himself or he can have a 400 piece kazoo ensemble doing the songs. It doesn't really matter since its all his and no one else has a right to it. Everyone acted all horrified when they found out Eerie, John and Chuck were on a salary and didn't get paid that much well guess what do you think Phil Collins or Sting gives their band members equal pay? HAAHAHAHAHHAHA! Thats a crock of shit. The band members of Danzig, no matter how good they may be are hired "thugs". It isn't their band, it isn't their music, and people don't buy the albums (most anyway) for them. NiN is Trent Reznor's band and if he has guest band members on the albums or on tour no one gives a large whooping crap who has up there cuz NiN sells cuz of Trent just like Danzig sells cuz of Glenn. The concept is very easy people. I think the concept of the COLLECTION II thing isn't as easy for obvious reasons its a split betweent he Glenn Fans and The Misfits fans. I wonder if this Bible has 1 true Samhain fan on it or a true Undead fan who post for the purpose of those bands? I doubt it. This list has become the Glenn Danzig vs Misfits list if you ask me. People who like only Danzig and find the Misfits as a cool sideshow thing are very much here so are the Misfits fans who find Danzig has a cool sideshow are here. And every time this damn Bible comes out I get to see stupid posts like "Oh Mephisto Waltz is the Misfits cuz Glenn..." or the opposite "Glenn Danzig sucks! Mephisto Waltz sucks cuz Jerry wasn't on it!" just garbage like that. I fear this trend is going to keep up until February when the box set is released then we can hear bitches and moans about the box set for the next 50 years since the box set will probably be the last "new" Misfits thing released of old material. But maybe that trend will die when people start re-bitching about the "new" Misfits. Oh this is gonna be a whooping good time! ------------------------------ From: Sean Subject: When did you meet Glenn. Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 02:25:56 +0000 I was reading some of the recent bibles and read all about peoples first Misfits experience. That was pretty damn cool I thought. BUT!!! What about Danzig? I would like to hear about people who have met Glenn. Not to start a fight with anyone on this post.....I'll start!!This is a true story. My friend CHuck got me into The Misfits and DANZIG. So after about a year of listening to Glenns voice and seeing the videos Glenn finally decided to do a signing at ROLLING STONES record store here in lovely Chicago.So we ditch school and go to the signing.Four of us. My friend Don was the only one wearing a Misfits shirts.(DIE DIE shirt)TO make a long story short, We get to the table with CD's in hand Glenn looks up at us and says "What the fuck is that?"He saw my friend Don's shirt!! He then procedes to toss DOn across the store!! We got kicked out by security and went home......I like Danzig don't get me wrong. But Glenn is a different story all together. Now many others I have met who have never had a problem when they met Glenn. Maybe he had a bad day or something?? Nice way to keep fans though?!?!?! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 01:09:32 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: DANZIG VIDEOS WANTED okay fiends, I hope some of you out there can help me out... I am *desperately* seeking the following (preferably taped on "SP" VHS speed [the one that takes up 3 times as much tape space but looks better] and I am willing to trade/pay: DANZIG Live on Jon Stewart Show 2/21/94 ("Mother" and "It's Coming Down") ...also if any of you have the commercials for this one with Glenn and the tres belle Nicole Eggert (formerly of Baywatch) I would be **extremely*** pleased DANZIG Live on Jon Stewart Show 11/28/94 ("Cantspeak" and "Brand New God") MTV Europe Headbangers' Ball 12/94 (with Live Danzig excerpts etc) MTV's Superock 5/6/95 ("........") also the following regular videos... "Bodies" and "Sistinas" (unreleased...do any of you have these???) "It's Coming Down" (seeking ANY AND ALL cuts) "I Don't Mind the Pain" there are many others (interviews etc on MTV), but these are the ones I'm mostly after. IF ANY OF YOU HAVE **ANY** OF THESE *****************PLEASE******************* POST TO THE BIBLE OR E-MAIL DIRECT TO MY ADRESS ABOVE....IF YOU WANT TO TRADE, I HAVE A FEW BOOTS (MISFITS, SAMHAIN, DANZIG) AND ALSO SOME DANZIG STUFF OFF "MUCHMUSIC" (CANADA'S MTV) THAT YOU GUYS MAY NOT HAVE... BUT IF YOU WANT TO MAKE SOME $$$$ **I WILL DO WHATEVER IT TAKES*** thank you for your time! -Brett "...and I want it, and I need it" ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 11:15:44 -0500 Subject: Verotik/Planet Comics, Oklahoma In the most recent issue of Comic Buyer's Guide, along with an interview with Glenn Danzig, Steven Wardlaw, Verotik's managing editor, wrote a piece detailing the situation with the Planet Comics case in Oklahoma (the comic shop that was cited for selling "obscene material"). Just like a lot of people, I didn't have all the facts straight about the case. The shop WAS shut down and fined (the shop owners were even evicted by their landlord) just for selling Verotik comics PERIOD; they weren't shut down because of selling the comics to minors. I didn't know about this (and said that if this WAS the case, it was wrong and that Danzig should help them out). Anyway, Wardlaw said that Verotik fully supports Planet Comics' owners and is taking donations to help out planet comics. With a donation of $5 or more, you can get an ashcan edition of "Sunglasses After Dark" signed by Nancy Collins. Warlaw said that Verotik is "extremely angered" with the situation and calls upon other publishers to join with them in starting a campaign to change censorship laws. Wardlaw also addressed those inside the comics industry who had chastised Verotik over the incident even though they didn't have all the facts straight. He also addressed various writers who had misquoted Danzig and mislead their readers about the incident. Anyway, that's pretty much what he had to say. Since the shop was closed simply for selling the Verotik comics (many of which Warlaw pointed out are simply comic adaptations of award winning stories that are sold in book stores from coast to coast with no trouble whatsoever) I support the comic shop's plight and am going to send in a donation. In a country where "our" Congressmen fight like children while children go hungry, I think our "leaders" and our "government" have a lot more to deal with than people seeing, as Nancy Collins' said "titties and dicks before the age of21." If anyone would like to make a donation, you can send your money to: Verotik Publishing, Attn. Planet Comics, Box 64859, Los Angeles, CA, 90064. Verotik also has two copies of Death Dealer signed by Danzig, Frank Frazetta, and Simon Bisely that they're taking bids for (the money will go to the support of Planet Comics). Being a fan of Verotik comics and a writer myself, I feel very strongly about this issue and am sick of the Bob Doles of this country telling me how to run my life ... - BILE666. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 11:18:11 -0500 (EST) From: Teevie Subject: Collection II, just cuz it's trendy... Well it seems a bit hackneyed to comment on Collection II, but not having contributed as much to Bible discussion lately as I used to, I feel compelled at least to make a gesture. I have already stated that I think the packaging was a huge letdown. Side One is a nice selection of tracks that could have and -SHOULD- have been on Collection One. However, this is actually a nice starting place for new Misfits fans to hear some old tracks. Hell knows I would have loved to find the original Last Caress so readily available back when Metallica's Garage Days Re-revisited first came out. (Yes, yes, god dammit, I admit it. I was big into Metallica before I discovered the Misfits proper... although I had a taped copy of Evilive since I was 13 (I'm 22 now) it took me a couple of years to get up the gumption to actually seek out the studio tracks) As to the Cough/Cool rerecording, despite any reservations about the overdubs I have to admire Glenn's sheer acknowledgement that this song even exists. It's interesting, but it is too bad that this is many people's first exposure to the track. Naturally, the word to newbies out there is please, please, PLEASE get ahold of all the original 7" tracks. I agree to the sentiment that the 7" NOTLD version was sorely missed... I certainly would rather have seen THAT than "Rattfink"... christ, I can't believe Glenn actually left in Rattfink lyrix on the liner notes. I seriously think he must have had some debilitating head cold when he put the insert together. Side Two: okay, in a word, No. No, no, no. Maybe it was just my stereo, but the mixes sounded like crap. I'm just too used to the original versions. I agree what someone said about Mephisto Waltz: an excellent Samhain song, a terrible Misfits song. That pretty much sums up my opinion of Side Two. Had these tracks appeared in the Samhain box set, I would have enjoyed listening to them. On Collection II it was like grinding my teeth on a sidewalk. YEeeeeeesssh. Misfits and Samhain require two different moods to get into. To mix the two is like having your mom walk in on you while you're masturbating. Very disturbing. Okay, I've ranted on too much. Hope I didn't offend anyone... I certainly have no problem with anyone thoroughly enjoying the comp. If Glenn's jealous marketing schemes don't ruin the fun for you, more power to ya, buddy. It is nice to see some of the old tracks finally surface, but as is generally the case with Mr. Danzig it's too little too late for me. Teevie >;0) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 21:22:59 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: C 2 > mark said in issue 17 >Date: Mon, 26 Sep 1994 22:35:59 -0400 >From: She >Subject: Tonight >What else - The Misfits did do a version of Archangel that was never >actually recorded. They also used to cover Iggy Pop's "I Got A Right" >and there was once a song called "Mephisto Waltz" which Jerry described >as one of Glenn's rare strikeouts. In '86 there was a little piece in >Thrasher that said that Glenn had found the Master tapes to these 2 songs, >but Jerry said they were never recorded. I was reading some old bible's lately and I found this post pretty interesting.. It seems that Jerry's opinion of Mephisto Waltz ie: The Misfits never recorded it, was expressed long before C2 was released. My opinion of Collection II Well in all honesty I haven't listened to it much. I bought the CD and played it in the car. It was OK. this last weekend I dubbed it to cassette and listened to it on a $39 Sony boom box - It sounds much better - you should try it. We are 138 - makes me want to cry, I'm glad the rest isn't this bad! Attitude - Rocks Cough/Cool - Makes me want to puke, way too slow, way too bad Last Caress - worth buying the album for Return of the fly - OK That's all I've really digested so far. Has anyone else noticed that Glenn's vocals are *totally* overdubbed? on almost every song his voice has that Danzig quality to it. Pull out the 7"'s his voice sounds younger, higher than Samhain or Danzig. On C2 his voice is more mature, deeper, more experienced ala Danzig. I'm not complaining I think it adds something to the music. There I've gone and said it, some of the overdubs are exceptable. With exception, Devils Whorehouse SUCKS, I miss the whip cracks, and that canned pick slide doesn't blend well. I'm just alittle pissed off that Glenn has the nerve to snuff out J & D's current project because of overdubs and then go and release this. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % "...they were a bunch of assholes If I could find the * * plug, I'd pull it and let the whole island sink..." % % Jerry Only - talking about Great Britain * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ From: Demock@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Dec 1995 22:18:54 -0500 Subject: Bible Post Anybody ever notice that the Misfits/Samhain/Danzig lettering is from the movie "The Omen?" Sin for Sure, Shaun ------------------------------ From: Nikolopoulos Yannis -BSc Mod Comp Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 14:24:11 GMT Subject: IRC??? Hi, Is anybody from the bible on the irc too? I`m looking for a guy with a nickname Xalas and a guy called evilive... I was in the misfits chennel and I was kicked out and banned for NO reason at all!! Cheers, Yannis ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:08:19 EST From: Ken Graf Subject: misfits sighting Another misfits sighting if anyone cares. On an old episode of "Saved by the Bell", Jessie (high school sweetheart turned cocksmoking showgirl) had a younger brother from NY. It may have been a stepbrother, whatever. Anyway, he came to their school and treated everyone like shit. In addition, he took over sweet little Jessie's room. He redecorated and one of the posters that you saw in the background was Misfits. A poster I have never seen before. Also the guy playing the role of the brother had an uncanny resemblance to Glenn Danzig. Coincidence, I THINK NOT. If anyone else saw this send a post. Later. ---Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:16:42 EST From: Ken Graf Subject: Devilock Does anyone out there think that the return of the Misfits will spawn a resurrection of the Devilock, such as what Rancid did with the mohawk? Not saying that I'm comparing the Fits and Rancid, so don't get any wrong ideas. How popular is the Devilock in other parts of the country? I live in RI and only one of my friends ever had one, and he chopped it last year. Let me know Later. ---Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:45:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: EARTH AD...ON CD...GIMMIE. Gotta love those cheesy subject lines. As the subject suggests, however, I want a copy of Earth AD on CD. Anyone out there willing to sell their copy of Earth AD for a reasonable price? I saw a copy of it about two years ago in Gatlinburg, Tennessee, and it was selling for about $20. I do not consider that a reasonable price. And besides, at the time I wanted my "Ride the Lightning" T-shirt instead. ;) Oh yeah, I also want a copy of Initium on CD. I'm too lazy to order it through one of the local stores. And CDnow was selling it as an import(?). Thanks, Steev ------------------------------ From: kriney@uhavax.hartford.edu Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:41:23 EDT Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #127 a kind of misfits sighting...any of you out there like NOFX? well if not then fuck you, because they rule, anyway, on their live album "I heard they suck live!" there is a picture on the front sleeve of a kid wearing a Rattfink t-shirt. you can't see the word "Rattfink", but you can see the cartoon of the Rattfink I guess that this can qualify as a "sighting". I have got Devilman comic #1 for sale-anyone interested, make an offer... later love goat- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:01 PST From: Kent Bendall Subject: secret messages... Goooooood Eeeeeevning, Just curious, are there any "run off groove" messages on any of the original Misfit pressings? On the WebPage(have you checked it out yet?) it mentions "glenn won't like this" is scratched in the SloppySeconds/Bobby Steele 45. And on the Undead "nine toes later" 45 i have, it says "play pranks" ! Anybody know of any others? ....kent... ------------------------------ From: Jesse Skam Subject: Adios amigos! Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:42:04 GMT+0000 Well everyone, I'm outta here. I'm leaving this hell called Virginia Wesleyan College, in search of new and better adventures. I thank you all for putting up with my ramblings throughout the semester, and I can guarantee that I'll be back when I finally find a skool to stay at for more than a semester or two.... I wish you guys luck on any remaining exams you might have, and I hope you enjoy the hollidays! If any of you are ever in Connecticut or South-Western Massachusettes, please give me a call at (203) 653-0790 and we can check out a show together.... Layta', Jesse Skam ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Son of Skam fanzine --- POB 781 --- Granby, CT --- 06035 sonofskam@vwc.edu "The dog made us do it...." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: "S.M. Gibbons" Subject: Mephisto Waltz Lyrics? fellow fiends I know the lyrics are up on the web page, but is there any specific reason anyone knows of why the lyrics for this tune are not included with the rest of the lyrics on the compilation II album?...seems kinda silly to me... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 23:52:35 +0200 (EET) From: Hannu Mettanen Subject: Re: My MiSfiTS PaGE! METALLI-ZIG! You might not know it, but the mighty Metallica have laid down two songs originally recorded by Glenn Danzig! Here's how... WHEN METALLICA decided to record a series of cover versions for an EP in 1987, Lars and the boys thumbed through their collection of ludicrous Heavy Metal records and came up with a selection of theirfavourite obscure Metal tracks from days gone by. In amongst the Budgies, the Diamond Heads, the Holocausts and many other long-forgotten acts, they also came across a band by the name of The Misfits. Formed in 1978 and led by Glenn Danzig himself, the American act had assumed legendary status not only through songs such as "Last Caress" and the intriguingly title "Mommy Can I Go Out And Kill Tonight?", but also because it was incredibly rare for the band to perform live. All the Metallica boys realised that they had a liking for this quasi-Punk outfit's brooding intensity and "F**k you" attitude and felt there were plenty of tunes they could do justice to. Alongside "Helpless" by Diamond Head, "The Small Hours" by Blitzkrieg, Killing Joke's "The Wait" and Budgie's "Crash Course In Brain Surgery", the band decided on a medley arragement of two Misfits numbers: the aforementioned "Last Caress" and "Green Hell". The Ep was recorded in LA's Conway Studios and was bashed out in six days when guitar madman Ted Nugent, who had block- booked the studio, was out of town on one of his notorious hunting trips! The EP was released in the US and Britain to great acclain. However, the UK pressing didn't feature "the Wait", as its running time would have been too long to have been considered a 12"EP. Instead, it would have been recognised as an album, with regular album pricing! Taken from RAW NO.164, DECEMBER 7-18 1994 ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. MMMM MMMM MMMMM MMMMM FFFFFFFFFFFFF TTTTTTTTTTTTT MMMMM MMMMM III SSSS FFFFF III TTTTTT SSSSS MMMMMM MMMMMM IIII SSSSSSS FFF IIII TTTT SSS SS MMMMMMMMMMMMMM IIII SSSS SS FFFFFFF III TTT SSSS MMM MMMMMM MMM III SSSSS FFFFFF III TTT SSSSSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSSS FFF IIII TTT S SSS MMM MMMM MMM III SSS SSS FFF IIII TTT SSS SSSS M M MM MM II SSSSSS FFF III TT SSSSSSS M F II top Misfits Bible, Number 129 Thursday, December 14th 1995 Today's Topics: Looking for guitarist and drummer in L.A. Misfits Bible, #128 (fwd) funny stuff sick and tired Glenn Danzig had nothing to do w/ collection2? Tuesday Re: Contest for Chud's Tape Earth A.D. cd regrets Stuff comment RE: Misfits Bible, #128 Stuff for Sale bootlegs/imports/whatever Re: Misfits Bible, #128 Earth AD on CD... rare? RE: Misfits Bible, #128 collectoin ][ noise Re: Glenn or Rainman? Bobby Update also............ Misfits playing ABC benefit Attitude lyrix... Danzig posts I were in a hurry last time!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 14:31:59 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Siegel Subject: Looking for guitarist and drummer in L.A. I play bass, but I've never been in a band. If anyone has an urge to jam on some Misfits tunes or anything else, maybe try to start a band, tell me. Also into Marilyn Manson, Tool, Old Sabbath, Slayer. -Dan ------------------------------ Subject: Misfits Bible, #128 (fwd) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:03:13 -0700 (MST) From: Richard Duran > From: Vincent Price > Subject: We Are 138...soon. > > Well, fiends, issue number 138 of the bible is only 10 issues away, and I > think we should all do something special for it. I'm proposing that all mebbe everyone can write lyrics to a make-believe misfits song! > From: Gabriel Palczewski > Subject: Various Things: Danzig V, Collection II Crap > > drums and you are right Danzig is GLENN's solo band. Like Sting, Phil > Collins, or Sammy Hagar, Danzig is Glenn's and I don't think there should > be one piss or moan about it when it comes out like there is about i don't see why not. can't really speak about hagar, but acts like collins, sting, don henley, and peter murphy are more typical of what i envision as solo acts. look at any of there videos, liner notes, booklets. it's pretty rare for the musicians to get much mention aside from who performed what (mebbe even a small picture). take a look at the album covers by these acts. you'll almost never see the musicians together w/ the main artist. take a look at a danzig album. seeing 4 people standing around for a picture naturally leads me to think of this group as a band. while i suppose a case can be made against this reasoning simply by pointing out most of ozzy's and dio's examples. while i'm inclined to consider these as bands, they really are more of a solo act. of course, this realization didn't come 'til years after each acts first releases. w.r.t. ozzy, while the rhythm section tended to change, over the years, ozzy usually managed to keep the guitarist at least for 2 albums. similar statement can be made about dio. the thing was tho', for a fan, that after a few albums, each change brought a sense of loss. it's not easy to accept that the others guys aren't gonna be around for long. your gonna get pissing and moaning. > don't buy the albums (most anyway) for them. NiN is Trent Reznor's band > and if he has guest band members on the albums or on tour no one gives a > large whooping crap who has up there cuz NiN sells cuz of Trent just like > Danzig sells cuz of Glenn. ask any fan of NIN. they probably won't care about the other musicians. ask some fans of danzig. many probably _do_ care. you need look no further than this bible. ;) > From: Crimson Ghost > > exception, Devils Whorehouse SUCKS, I miss the whip cracks, and that canned is _that_ what those blats are supposed to be! > I'm just alittle pissed off that Glenn has the nerve to snuff out J & D's > current project because of overdubs and then go and release this. yep. ***** other stuff i wanted to talk about but put off til now ***** Re: Cover bands Someone bitched, several issues ago, about how cover bands are just ripping off the original artist cuz they don't pay any royalties. get a clue, jack! any establishment w/ a jukebox, or band performing covers, is required by law (at least in texas) to pay a fee (i don't know whether directly or indirectly) to ASCAP and EMI (BMI?). those that don't can be shut down until a pay a hefty fine. THIS IS NOT THE BANDS RESPONSIBILITY! Re: They all changed there names to Chicago??? someone (mark?) made a statement to the effect of "what was glenn thinking!", w.r.t. this lyric. no one's mentioned anything (that i have seen in the bibles), but the preceding lyric "i see them burning", might have something to do w/ it (e.g., the great fire of chicago, late 1800's early 1900's). that's all for now.....peace. +=- gut-ripper -=+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 20:22:20 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: funny stuff > Another misfits sighting if anyone cares. On an old episode of "Saved > by the Bell", > Does anyone out there think that the return of the Misfits will spawn a > resurrection of the Devilock, such as what Rancid did with the mohawk? Ha! I'm glad to see people are lightening up and posting some damn funny stuff. hoo damn, I almost fell out of my chair laughing. Dempz ------------------------------ From: MACH@emuvax.emich.edu Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:48:25 -0500 (EST) Subject: sick and tired Hey there fellow Misfits fans, This is my first time posting on the Bible, so please excuse me for any regurgitation of information. First, I am sick and tired of reading your bitching about the Collection II. For Christ's sake, it's the first "new" Misfits stuff in 6 or so years...let's just be happy that they still care about their fans. The album is good no matter what the hell was done to it...I know that you think the same or your no Misfits fan. As for the "Attitude" lyric thing, hey, if the lyrics went through Doyle and Jerry then they must be legite, right? Granted everybody is entitled to their own opinion about the lyrics, even I sometimes hear different than the lyrics, but, they are the real lyrics, or at least I think they are. Second, I would like to know when the new album is coming out (the Max's X-mas album) and is it going to be new stuff or just the new band remaking the old songs? Are they ever going to tour? And if so, when are they going? Finally, when is the box set going to be released? I would appreciate any information to any of the above questions. See ya round, Randy Mach Mach@emuvax.emich.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 19:31:28 -0700 (MST) From: Joe J McGoldrick II <9220@ef.gc.maricopa.edu> Subject: Glenn Danzig had nothing to do w/ collection2? ok....like everyone i must say: this is my first post to the bible... ok now that that's out of the way... i recently went to a signing that glen danzig was at and brought my misfits collection 2. well, i waited in line for like 3 1/2 hours and finally got there. i payed my $5.35 (no one told me there was tax) forgot my i.d. (so i had to get a poster and not a cool comic) and when i got there i layed down my collection 2 sleeve and glenn's bodyguard (i guess) said "He wont sign that" then the artist (i forget his name. the guy that did aeon flux) said "Yea, he wont sign that" so i looked at mr. danzig and he looked a little annoyed at these people talking for him and said "Yea, i wont sign that" so i said "oh really?" he said "yea, because i didnt have anything to do with it. They printed wrong lyrics, and a bunch of different shit. so i wont sign that" Well i was pissed. i waited in line for 3 1/2 hrs spent my last $5 and didnt get anything signed. I was pissed at glenn first but i thought about it and didnt blame him. so i gave my gf (who was there and got a comic) a guilt trip and she gave me the comic. my point is: If you go to this signing dont bring collection 2 \ 0 / \ 0 / \ | / \ | / ____\|/_0__ *Particle Man* ____\|/_0__ /|\ 9220@ef.gc.maricopa.edu /|\ 0 | \ 0 | \ / | 0 / | 0 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:05:00 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Tuesday --->Gabriel Palczewski said: >This list has become the Glenn Danzig vs Misfits list if you ask >me. ..... And every time this damn Bible comes out I get to >see stupid posts like "Oh Mephisto Waltz is the Misfits cuz Glenn..." or >the opposite "Glenn Danzig sucks! Mephisto Waltz sucks cuz Jerry wasn't >on it!" just garbage like that. Gabriel, you've been on this list long enough to know that it's always been this way, it's just more pronounced now because there are _many_ more members than there used to be. The Mephisto Waltz issue is a great thread. It involves the makings of all great scandals: Ethics, Morals, Legalities. If you don't like the thread don't fucking read it. Hit your fuckin spacebar but quit the petty bitchin cuz ya can't get your own way. Opinions are what makes this list great, opinions are also a lot like assholes, everybody's got 'em, if you don't want to hear about 'em -- *hit your fucking spacebar* (not aimed at anyone in particular) you guys piss and moan about this thread and that thread, then when you think you've taken all you can, you complain, starting a whole new stupid thread. I think the first post about Verotika, Satanika, and whatever "ika" Glenn's peddling showed up in issue 16, and ya know what, I never read one of them. Because they don't interest me. But I would never complain about them because they are of interest to some. Let's just not denigrate into pissing matches. So far all the arguements have been pretty intelligent. Recently I got into it with Brett , who I don't agree with on alot of things. But one thing we do agree on is, the Misfits were a great fuckin' band, regardless of why. We went back and forth about a few things, but it never turned into shit. Brett would be welcome in my house, to drink my beer, to listen to my 7's, maybe even Danzig I or II. It's not personal to me, it shouldn't be personal to anybody. This list is to air your views, and to challenge those of others, should you not agree, but not to complain about them. If you don't have something intelligent to say don't fucking bother. Moral of story: don't add fuel to a fire you want to go out. ---->Teevie Said: >As to the Cough/Cool rerecording, despite any reservations about the >overdubs.....but it is too bad that this is many >people's first exposure to the track. Naturally, the word to newbies out >there is please, please, PLEASE get ahold of all the original 7" tracks. For those of you that would like to know what we are talking about when we say listen to the 7's. Check out Mark's homepage, There's a 30 sec sample in windows .wav format of Cough/Cool there listen to that. Then _try_ to say that the _new_ version is great. >I certainly would rather have seen THAT than "Rattfink"... christ, I >can't believe Glenn actually left in Rattfink lyrix on the liner notes. >I seriously think he must have had some debilitating head cold when he put >the insert together. Here's where we part ways teevie - R.A.T.T. F.I.N.K. great fucking tune >Side Two: okay, in a word, No. No, no, no. Maybe it was just my stereo, >but the mixes sounded like crap. I'm just too used to the original Gotta agree with you here, but for different reasons, I never got into the EAD in the first place. I hate that hard core shit. >require two different moods to get into. To mix the two is like having >your mom walk in on you while you're masturbating. Very disturbing. I must ask, has that ever happened to you?? (lol) :-) -----> Washington CityPaper vol 15 no 49 dec 8-14 1995 As much as I dislike Glenn even I think this article is a bunch of sensational bullshit. >roster, Glenn danzig fronted New Jersey's Misfits. Nothing if not >careerist (when the band's members aspired to open a U..K. tour for the >Damned, they simply showed up uninvited), the 'Fits kept pace with the To the best of my knowledge (ie: Jerry's Knowledge) The Misfits were invited by Dave Vanian and the Damned, Personally, the damned's management didn't like this, and failed to support the misfits, but regardless they were invited. >poles/Little dead are out in droves/I remember Halloween"). The CD >booklet takes pains to inform the studious listener that the delerious >incantation of "Halloween II" is delivered in a Latin it prefers to call >"non-standard" rather than "illiterate." I imagine, however, that This_really_ticks me off because the moniker "Non-Standard" originated from Kate & Rob Sumner, not Glenn. (Taking nothing away from the sumners they did a great job.) I consider Bible members like family, we can fight amongst ourselves but if an outsider picks on any of us look out. >recollections of "Last Caress" are responsible for Danzig's greatest >professional satisfaction. Marrying an impreccable retro-'50s, >Ramones-style rip-off of a tune to words so outrageous that the very idea FUCK YOU JERK OFF I think we should all write to Glenn Dixon at the Washington City Paper - Just to tell him what a "Homosexual, fucking asshole cunt" he is. Well I guess that's enough ranting and raving for this week. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % "...they were a bunch of assholes If I could find the * * plug, I'd pull it and let the whole island sink..." % % Jerry Only - talking about Great Britain * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: 09 Dec 95 20:03:46 EST From: Paul Holstein <102165.134@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Contest for Chud's Tape I can't actually say which address I used, and when I stopped being a member but I remeber this. I was in high school from 1982 - 1985. I first started getting into punk music around 1982, and my Mom bought me my first records. They were all punk, and the first 10 or so included The Sex Pistols "Never Mind the Bollocks, The Plasmatics "New Hope for the Wretched", The Misfits "Walk Among Us", The Dead Kennedys "Plastic Surgery Disasters" and The Dayglo Abortions "Out of the Womb". I also ordered a subscription to MRR, where I bought records from Tesco Vee (also a Detroit resident). Tesco turned me on to some local bands like Negative Approach and The Meatmen. If you can believe this, my Mom got the "Walk Among Us" and later the German "Wolfsblood/ Earth A.D." LP (the first week it came out) - at Harmony House at a Mall. The Misfits were my favorite, and I joined the Fiend Club. I think I joined from an ad in the MRR (or maybe Flipside) interview that they did. They sent me all kinds of stuff in large printed envelopes (with pictures of Jerry and Doyle and Crimson Ghosts silkscreened on the envelopes). I remember getting shirts and flyers and stuff. My little sister was a member too. I have no idea what happened to all that stuff. Eventually they just stopped sending stuff, and I guess the band broke up. They never officially announced it to me. All of the T-shirts, although originally size large, were not great quality and shrunk to extra small. I later used them to change the oil in may car (stupid I know). I heard from a friend (around 1985) that The Misfits were playing in Detroit at the Greystone Hall, and it was one of the first shows I went to. It turned out to be Samhain, but they played Misfits stuff and it was great. Soon after, I went to see the Dead Kennedys, SNFU, Dayglo Abortions, Exploited, Fear, GBH, Accused, Undead, Bad Religion, Meatmen, Agnostic Front, and practically every other punk band that came through. On April 28, 1988 I got a postcard from Doyle, announcing the Doyle Fan Club. I joined, of course and they again sent stuff in those large printed envelopes. This time I got full color posters, a Doyle flashlight, and the Kryst the Conqueror Cassette. I never liked the new band much, being that I listen to only punk. Kryst was definitely Metal or Hard Rock. I have been a "punker" now for around 13 years. Of course I have a huge record collection (over 1000) with a lot of Misfits (including more than 25 different bootleg 7" vinyl). I have not read every issue of the bible, and for fear for being stomped on by the readers who take offense to redundant messages I have not "posted". I do, however have some stuff that may be worth mentioning: 1. Pushead, the artist who did a lot of original Misfits art, has a fanclub going now. He charges $30 per year, but it is WELL worth it. You get 3-5 free records, plus all kinds of artwork, stickers, magazines, etc. Recently he announced that he is selling a lot of his original art. I am buying a piece for $350.00, and I have asked him about the original Misfits pieces. If he will sell them, I intend to buy them. I expect the price to be high, but its the Misfits. 2. The Misfits CD version of "Wolfsblood/ Evillive" was released by Agressive Rock Producktion about 2 years ago or so. I pre-ordered it before it was actually released and had to wait about 6 months. It was an original release, not a bootleg, and it was only released in Germany. Because there was no offical U.S. distributor, the original price brand new was $30. I spend at lot of time combing magazines for great records, and I never miss an issue of MaximumRocknRoll, Flipside, etc. During the entire year I spent anticipating the release of "Evillive" on CD the ONLY place it was advertised was Goldmine. Several stores who place ads monthly made special orders to suppliers on Germany. I bought mine from on of them. 3. I own original copies of many Misfits records that I bought in the mid 1980's. Since then, I have picked up many bootles. Some of them are very VERY well done. For instance, about two years ago a guy in England sent me 5 copies each of Horror Business, Bullet, and Evillive that were absolutely perfect. Even down to the numbers etched in the plasic. I expect now that many of these types of bootlegs reside in personal collections and are thought to be originals. I have also seen copies of the Beware 12" and the Cough/Cool 7" that are so good, I doubt that even Glenn could tell. I would not advise anyone to buy an original (especially given the high prices) unless they know the person they are getting it from, and that person bought it in the early eighties. I guess you know this though. Sometimes people I trade with call me and ask me how to tell. I usually say carbon dating. 4. I have some cool stuff for sale, or preferably trade. One interesting thing is a fully autographed Danzig 8x10 promo photo (autographed in silver paint pen by Glenn Danzig, Chusk Biscuits, John Christ, and Eerie Von). I also have all of the Verotic comics including Satanika, Verotika, Devilman, Jaguar God, Death Dealer, etc. (those comics are sick - Danzig should be ashamed. Horror and Satanism is one thing, but Veroika #3,4,5 are way over the line). I have several Misfits/Samhain/Danzig bootleg records and compact disks and lots of other stuff too (Video, photos, autographed items, stickers, old magazines with original interviews, posters, original flyers). I didn't think it would be appropriate to "advertise" by posting this to the Bible, especially since my prices are not always "friendly", even though they are the going prices. Do you agree? I have noticed that others have done this - and sometimes have not been received well. well you are probably sick of this rambling now. see ya. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:40:36 EST From: G Subject: Earth A.D. cd regrets Well, I've been around since Bible #12, so I figure I'd do well to post more often. I've got a question, does anyone else want to kick themselves for not catching hold of that Earth A.D. cd earlier? I don't know about anyone else, but around here, it was very easy to get about four or five years ago and now its nowhere to be found. I guess I just lose, anyone got any theories as to why the change in availability? G (Galen Myers)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "To defy the laws of tradition is a crusade only of the brave."-Les "Did you ever look at a dollar bill man, there's some spooky stuff going on on a dollar bill man. I mean and it's green too."-Slater "Havin a good time, livin on moon time."-Widespread Panic "You're crystal ball ain't so crystal clear, so while you sit back and wonder why I got this fucking thorn in my side."-Beasties "I don't mean to shatter your ego, but this is not the first time I've had a gun pointed at me."-Jules ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~It's just a signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Subject: Stuff From: brian trainor Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 21:47:09 EST ok, so far, i've been indirectly called jeuvenile, idiotic, and may other things that aren't exactly "nice". so, without calling anyone else names, i'd just like to say that it's my opinion. it's what i believe, and that story about the kid who got flung across a store for wearing a Die Die shirt isn't really helping to change this opinion. and for another thing, i never really cared for Danzig, ever. Samhain, i can dig that. the earlier stuff is good, but The Misfits are by far the best of the 3 bands Glenny Boy has been in. that's why i came here. my arguement is that i didn't wanna hear about Danzig V or Glenn's Comics, i wanted to hear more info on the misifts reunion, the boxed set coming out, people's opinions on the Collection II.. and it just kinda ticked me off when i came on here and it was like Glenn this and Glenn that... it just kinda pissed me off. no more than it does when i see stuff on The Undead or Black Flag on here. my point is, this is a Misfits page. The Misfits no longer contain Glenn. deal. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 00:43:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: comment I thought it was interesting that someone mentioned Danzig's appearance on Jon Stewart(with "Mother" and "It's Coming Down"), and espcially that he remembered the advertisement to it. I taped the perfomance(not the adertisement though) but unfortunately I taped it with EP speed, and I would never gibe the tape away as it has all kinds of non-Misfits/Samhain/Danzig/Undead/Kryst/etc. related stuff that I find valuable. Anyway, I thought I'd comment on that particular appearance. I remember first seeing the advertisement early in the morning before I departed for another great day in the 11th grade. There I see Glenn Danzig sitting next to that lady who was mentioned...forgot the name. She says something like "Tonight on the Jon Stewart show : .....and musical guests Danzig". She pointed to Glenn as she said this. Glenn was sitting there looking evil as usual, I think he nodded when she pointed to him. But after she stopped talking it seemed like they were expecting Glenn to say something because they just kept the camera rolling for about 5-10 more seconds. But he just sat there, looking mean, and then you could hear some people in the audience kinda giggle. I'm not sure, but I think Glenn actually displayed a hint of a smile when that happened! For some reason I was inclined to laugh violently when I saw that commercial. Another thing I noticed was that he wasn't wearing his traditional inverted cross. He was wearing one of them German WWI battallion cross thingies, if that's what they're called. Sorry about the long and boring explanation, but I thought I'd put out what I remembered of the show... ------------------------------ From: ewebb@yorkcol.edu Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 11:31:54 EST Subject: RE: Misfits Bible, #128 SOMEONE IN THE LAST BIBLE SAID THAT THE MISFITS LETTERING WAS FROM THE "OMEN". I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT FINE FILM, BUT IM SURE IT RANKS UP THERE WITH OTHER CINEMA EPICS. ANYWAY, I THOUGHT THE MISFITS LETTERIN WAS ADAPTED FROM "MONSTER" MAGAZINE. I VE BEEN WRONG BEFORE... ERIC ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 95 22:32:42 EST From: Paul Holstein <102165.134@compuserve.com> Subject: Stuff for Sale Mark, (Post this if possible) Here is a list of the stuff I have for sale. All of it is money back guaranteed if anyone doesn't like it or whatever. I would ask for $3 postage an ANY size order that needs a box vs. an envelope. If the order is envelope only (no records or CDs), then add as appropriate. Add $2 extra postage for posters, as they will be sent separately in a tube. Only one of each in most cases. Please E-mail at 102165,134@compuserve.com to reserve. Paul Holstein 6759 Transparent Drive Clarkston, MI 48346. No phone calls please. Undead "Act Your Rage" LP color vinyl $5.00, not autographed or slightly smeared autograph Undead "Act Your Rage" LP black vinyl $8.00 Undead "Act Your Rage" LP color vinyl, neatly autographed by Bobby Steele $10.00 Misfits "Walk Among Us" 2x7" boot/ black and white sleeve/ red vinyl $30.00 Misfits "Walk Among Us" 2x7" boot/ green and whote sleeve/ green vinyl $30.00 Misfits "At the Ritz NYC 12/81" CD boot $25.00 Misfits "Beware and the Rest" CD boot $20.00 Misfits "Legacy of Brutality" CD $15.00 Misfits "Collection II" CD $12.00 Misfits "Collection" CD $15.00 Samhain "The Final Descent" CD $15.00 Samhain "Last Gasp" 7" boot $10.00 Misfits "Evillive" LP original German Pressing $25.00 Misfits "Earth A.D./ Wolfsblood" LP original Plan 9 (Not Plan 9/ Caroline) $25.00 Undead full color EXCELLENT photographs (2 different) $1 each Misfits engraved skull guitar pick (from Doyle Fan Club) $3 Undead engraved guitar pick (from Detroit show, you can see the picks taped to the microphone stand in my photos) $10 Danzig fully autographed promo photo from Def American $20 Misfits "Live 79! The Perfect Crime" large sticker autographed by Bobby Steele $3 Misfits "Die Die My Darling" 24" x 36" 2-color poster $15.00 Misfits "Evillive" 24" x 36" 2-color poster $15.00 Jerry Only full color promo poster for the Doyle Fan Club $20.00 Misfits postcards (4 different) unused $5.00 Misfits "Earth A.D." vinyl sticker autographed in paint pen by Bobby Steele $4.00 Misfits "Bullet" vinyl sticker autographed by Bobby Steele $4.00 Misfits (live in Bethlehem PA Halloween1982, 36 minutes) video, $10 PPD per copy on new MAXELL tape, show is decent quality for the Misfits Verotic Comics (I have every issue, multiples of most. Write for prices.) Satanica #1 (Verotic Comics) autographed by Glenn Danzig, comic is slightly bent $10.00 Misfits April-May 1995 promo appearance flyer (original) $2.00 Misfits guitar tablature with instructions, by Dave Cruise 17 pages in plastic cover $6.00 Misfits guitar Tablature II by Dave Cruise $6.00 Misfits "Legacy of Brutality" cassette authographed by Bobby Steele $15.00 Undead "Never Say Die" cassette autographed by Bobby Steele $10.00 Cretin Bull (early 80's fanzine, newsprint, with rare Misfits interview) $15.00 Maximum RocknRoll #151 part 1 (Misfits cover and 8 page story) $3.00 Danzig original concert flyers (2 different) $1.00 each Misfits photocopy packet #4 includes the MRR interview, lyrics sheets from 2 Samhain albums, and alot more (compiled by me) $3.00 (#3 still might be available) Misfits "Evil is as Evil Does" 7" boot $15.00 Misfits "Return of the Fly" 7" boot/ 4-color sleeve of giant fly $8.00 Misfits "Fiend Club e.p." 7" boot $10.00 Misfits "A Walk Among the Dead" 7" boot/ orange sleeve/ red vinyl/ numbered $15.00 Misfits "A Walk Among the Dead" 7" boot/ green sleeve/ orange vinyl $15.00 Misfits "Return of the Fly" 7" boot/ picture disk $25.00 Danzig/ Bad Brains 7" boot #959/1000 $10.00 Glenn Danzig "Who Killed Marilyn" 7" boot $12.00 Undead "Verbal Abuse" 7" (sleeve only) autographed by Bobby Steele $2.00 Parasites/ Mourning Noise (ex-Samhain Steve Zing) 7" split $10.00 Misfits XL full color T-shirt of the Pushead drawing of the skull taking it's eye out (new) $18 Misfits "Legacy of Brutality" postcard, autographed by Bobby Steele $5.00 Death Dealer (Verotic comic, by Glenn Danzig) promo poster $6.00 Undead original mint cond. concert flyer, blue paper (says x-Misfits) w/ photos from the show $10 Samahin guitar tablature, promo without plastic cover, by Dave Cruise $4.00 Doyle Fanclub original postcard from mailing, postmarked 1988, Doyle and Jerry on front $15.00 Send SASE (large) for full list of other stuff. I have nearly 1000 non-Misfits PUNK ONLY items for sale. Trades welcome. I buy all Misfits bootlegs too. I send out list updates every month, and almost always have new Misfits items. Prices are based on what I have to pay. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 22:55:02 -0800 From: Mark Saalwaechter Subject: bootlegs/imports/whatever Last issue: "Joshua E. Teixeira" wrote: > >Hi...this is my first post to the list. I'm responding to Gerry >Blaylock's question re: live Misfits recordings, other than Evilive. I've >got a few that I'd be willing to copy for him, or anybody on the list for >a price of a blank tape and postage, if anyone is interested: > 2. "If You Don't Know What This Next Song Is... > What The Fuck Are You Doing Here" > recorded at Hittsville (?) in Passaic, NJ, but I forget when. > 3. The Misfits - this is a live recording broadcast on a > Michigan station (WCBN), I'm not sure when. It's pressed on > cool purple vinyl, but the sound isn't that great. > 4. Live! '79 - The Perfect Crime! 7" > 5. Misfits - Braineaters. German import I got a phone call from my friend who ordered the new Pink Lincolns CD...he said that with his CD came an order form from Stiff Pole records, and in the order form was 2 Misfits imports...One was called "Walk Among You" (Which I vaguely remember someone asking about earlier), and the other was called "Kill your baby today"...e-mail me if you would like the address for the record company (I seem to have it misplaced at this moment)....I know one of the CD's is live and the other has 17 studio songs on it...E-mail me for more info...later... --- Mark msaal@cats.ucsc.edu RattFink on IRC --- ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #128 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 1995 12:02:33 -0500 (EST) > From: 01caholland@bsuvc.bsu.edu > > A friend and I both recently got Collection II on vinyl. His is a clear > aquamarine and mine is red. I'm curious to know if anyone knows what other There are 3 versions - red, green (not aquamarine) and clear. > From: eRiC sNoOk > > Mark: Since a lot of the problem with releasing old Misfits > stuff has been copywright/legal ones, what's the deal with the > following: 1) Who Killed Marilyn/Spook City U.S.A. I figured if Glenn > did it all, he can release it. Is he ashamed/not pleased with the > outcome? Problem with Plan 9 label??? and 2) Unholy Passion. You can > get Samhain I, and Samhain III, but not Samhain II? I prefer the Unholy > Passion 12" versions over the Final Descent. Is it because lack of > demand? Any information, hypothesis, or off the wall ideas would be > kewl. Plan 9 is dead. Glenn can do whatever he wants with the WKM 7" single. The original versions of those songs are Misfits songs (the Misfits version of Spook City has not yet been released). As far as Unholy Passion, I think Glenn rerecorded it because he wasn't pleased with Damien's sound. It's interesting to note that the re-recording/ re-mixing of the Unholy Passion EP was done in June of 1987, after all 4 members of Danzig had begun playing together. > From: Ken Graf > > Max's x-mas album and just answer me this. Is it possible that anyone on > this list has heard any of it. This I would like to know. Several of us on the mailing list have heard about half of the album. Jerry did 4 radio interviews in April and then 3 more in June and at all of these, he played songs off the Max's live album. Supposedly, it's been permanently cancelled. > From: JP > > No one's mentioned just how the "new" Misfits sound. My friend was worried > that they've gone down the path many punk bands do in their old age and > turned metal (yeah yeah, I know, but neither of us can dig metal). I'm > just curious as to whether or not they are. > Lastly, I think Glenn is being overrated in his role with the Misfits, and > Jerry underrated. Oh yeah, will the Misfits go on tour? Or are they just > gonna hang around up north and avoid the deep south New sound? Sort of crunchy. It's definitely the Misfits, but instead of the old wall of punk guitar sound, it's more refined and heavier sounding. Don't worry, you can still hear the Misfits sound... it's just a little different. Are they going to tour? Of course! Be patient. > From: "."