Misfits Bible, Number 121 Thursday, November 16th 1995 Today's Topics: morrison\danzig Collection II collection II Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Last Ish Collection II Re: Misfits Bible, #119 collection II RE:Devilock rage... Chiller con/1st show - finally! Re: Misfits Bible, #120 INTERVIEW Glenn Danzig/Verotika Misfits posters for sale A cool conversation POSTER CONTEST Re: 1 2 0 Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Re: Misfits Bible, #120 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:31:15 -0500 (EST) From: "mr. pink" Subject: morrison\danzig ok, i'm gonna have to disagree with whoever seems to think that gleen has more brains than morrison. i mean, yes...morrison did fuck up with drinkin and all and ended up dying at 27, but he was a genius! the way he manipulated the media to turn himself into some kind of icon for revolution. saying that danzig has more brains in his pinky is insane! granted, danzig is an intelligent guy, but i do not think he has nearly the faculties that morrison had. morrison was a wonderful poet and a scholar of the works of neitzsche and rimbaud. danzig, too is a scholar, but i am gonna have to say that jim puts him to shame in the brain department. just my opinion, though. the doors have been my favorite band since ninth grade, and i loved the misfits (still do), but i am gonna have to say that i think morrison was a genius and glenn is merely a smart guy. thanks. pinky m i s t e r p i n k ! * * * * * * * * * * * e-lon sXe--- =>wilsb5r0@numen.elon.edu<= reservoir dogzz (eddy & me) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:16:03 -0600 (CST) From: "J. Jorden" Subject: Collection II YUCK! God I really wanted to like this thing, but for the most part this release is utter crap. Most of it sounds like really bad Samhain with '95 Danzig vocals. And what is this bullshit about Danzig and Spot recording all the material? The songs that sound best are probably ones that they lost the original multi track for (like Return of the Fly, etc).. Everything is mixed really bad, like a shitty heavy metal album. Horrible. I think that Cough/Cool is a complete butcher job. That song is really great and it's terrible that most mall-Fits will have to hear that version first! I like about 5 tracks of the 20, but overall i feel ripped off. Even the stuff from Beware, etc is shitty because of the way it's mastered... Halloween sounds terrible because of the mix. Oh well... i was gonna sell my Beware and the Rest but no chance.. prolly be the Collection II that i sell. I can without a doubt, one hundred percent say this is the biggest hunk of crap ever released under the Misfits name. sorry to rant! ------------------------------ From: "Dorin M. Petre" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 18:39:25 +0600 Subject: collection II -I agree w/whoever said that Cough/Cool's lyrics were done this year... It's a cool song still, but it has a snare drum that is so misplaced... It's got the original drum thing, then that snare out of nowhere... -Braineaters definitely needed more vocals. ...did anyone think that it sounds more like "Oi! Oi! Oi!" instead of "Hey! Hey! Hey!" ? -Devil's whorehouse isn't ne of my favorite misfits songs, but the one on Collection II is better than the original. I think so because the wierd popping noise isn't accented as much.. Coolest thing about the cd: the cover. I think so at least. -GREG PETRE "...drench your vision in darkness..." -GREG PETRE ------------------------------ From: DODSWORTH Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:28:19 GMT0BST Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 From: BT5211 >Two more questions: >When will collection 2 be released in the UK and will the Misfits >come to Europe? I am also over here in England. I hadn't expected to see Collection II for a while, but I was browsing through a small record store called Volume, and they had it for 12 pounds. Needless to say I got it. I haven't looked for it in any of the major stores, but most likely HMV or Virgin will order it for you. -John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 08:31:22 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Ish >> To add a little topicality to this post; I don't hear anyone bringing up the >> fact that "Walk among us" is out on Warner Bros. and Danzig on American. No >> of course not, you like these bands. > >cg, i thought this discussion was re: a major-label band claiming to >be revolutionary. (don't get me wrong, i love the album...don't really >know what the message is supposed to be since i haven't read the lyrics >...but the music kicks). it doesn't make sense to compare ratm to >misfits/danzig, since to my awareness (minimal tho' it may be), neither >ever claimed to be revolutionary/political/what-have-you the way people >say that ratm have (i don't know that they have). My point exactly, I'm not one to sit and read lyric sheets, as a matter of fact the lyrics for "Killing in the name of" are mysteriously omitted. I could give a fuck what he's saying, I like like the tune. I made this comment as a stab at these "indie snobs" who think that major labels are evil. My feeling is these people lash out at major's because they are jealous that there fav's don't get the attention, and when these bands get the attention they drop them from their play lists, it makes no sense. As an example; Nirvana had a huge "cult" following up to and including the release of Bleach. But these fans turned their backs on them when Nevermind came out and went number 1. The music didn't change just the popularity of the band. Unfortunately shit for brains Cobain thought the same as his early fans. > >> btw - Valgamon I see that your a computer science major, that's great your >> setting yourself up to join corporate America. With all your ideals I think >> another profession would have suited you better, but then again it's not a >> crime for you to make money is it? It's only a crime for bands. > >my email addy notwithstanding, this is a cheap shot. you don't know >what valg's plans are. i've known more than a few people who got their >engineering/business degrees but did not use them (in the usual sense). >it was something they wanted to do, not a means to an end. Yes it is a cheap shot, it was meant as a cheap shot. There are plenty of people on this list that think that because a band is popular they have sold out. Look at the thread about the fucking Misfits statues. So they cost $150, don't like it don't buy it. Why don't you ask Jonathan Grimm if the statues are worth the money. I think I know what his answer will be. Jerry released the statues because it's something he is into and has been into for a long time, He wanted to share this interest with some of his fans. These models are expensive to prooduce therefore they are expensive to buy. I think the people complaining really like the models and would love to have one, but they're pissed at the price so they complain. For as much stuff as Jerry has GIVEN AWAY FOR FREE over the years I think we can let him make a couple bucks on merchandising. Did any of you know that 2 years ago if you wrote jerry a letter and just said you were a big fan chances are he would have sent you a signed poster. That's the kind of person he is, all give he doesn't want anything in return, everything he does is for his fans. What has Glenn done for you lately, other than try to keep the Misfits down? ************ PLEASE READ BELOW ************************ To those of you that take the time to read what I say, thank you. To those of you that think these posts have no place on this list, fuck you. My posts concern topics that directly impact the Misfits and Danzig. As far as being political yes some do turn into that, life's a bitch. I think that there is room on this list for posts of this nature, without them this list would be a bunch of posts about album reviews, fav tunes, sightings, and bodily functions. In 5 months I will have been a member of this list for 2 years (since day one) I believe there were 5 of us, I've always posted in this manner and always will. I love to still up things. It keeps life interesting. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% * A writer is like a gypsy. He owes no allegiance to any government.% % If he is a good writer he will never like the government he lives * * under. His hand should be against it, and its hand will always % % be against him. -- Ernest Hemingway * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 01:40:33 EST From: MR MAURICIO NUNEZ Subject: Collection II Just picked up collection II and I think it rips! I have no complaints at all. After reading all the mixed reviews from everyone, I thought it was gonna suck. I think it is great! I think cough/cool was really great. Same with Mephisto Waltz. And if Glenn wants Mephisto Waltz to be known as a Misfits song, then is a Misfits. Remember Glenn ------------------------------ From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 09:18:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #119 i'm from boston. i'm seeking anyone in the area who wants to sing for a band influenced by the misfits. i'm also looking for misfits' 7" & evilive & earth a.d. on cd --------mark ------------------------------ From: EvilDieff@aol.com Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 22:39:53 -0500 Subject: collection II i got the collection today, cd and green vinyl. i must say a few songs sound like november-coming-fire era samhain doing them, especialy mephisto waltz. the earth ad stuff sounds the same, just more guitar. sounds like what jerry was talking about on the radio interview last year. cough/cool, i liked, different, kinda' industrail sounding. could this be a preview of the new danzig stuff to come? i think it's pretty good, but some stuff sounds like samhain, but since i like samhain, i enjoyed it. later. Don "Evil" Dieffenbach ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:25:40 -0500 (EST) From: "C.G. Walters" Subject: RE:Devilock I'm sorry, but I for one do not like cover bands. If the Misfits were a cover band we never would have got to hear any of their tunes. Perhaps they would never have been heard outside of Lodi. I think that a few covers in moderation is acceptable, however basing your musical existence on another band is ridiculous. I for one would never pay to see a cover band. By law, a cover band is expected to pay royalties to the original artists who own the rights to the music that is being played. That means that a portion of the cover or the bar, must be forwarded to Glenn Danzig for the rights of the use of the song. Those official Kiss cover bands have to do this. If you are at all familiar with the regulations of organizations such as ASCAP or SOCAN you must comply to send royalties to the artists. You will notice that at the end of every Danzig album it wil say c199_ Evilive/ASCAP or something to that matter. By belonging to this organization (ASCAP) the band is entitled to a portion of the performer of their music's profits from a show, recording or broadcast of the music. I doubt that Devilock does this and I only give credit to cover bands who do. Even the name of the band is subject to royalty. Hypothetically Devilock will never be contacted by the band unless huge profits rake in. Until then any profits from the shows they play are coming out of the band's pockets. Cover bands not only are unoriginal musically but are also illegal by most standards under copyright law. I would rather go see an original band that is trying hard to get their own music heard, and has the energy of the Misfits, than see another band dress like them and try to re-hash their songs. This is why they do not get my support. Craig Walters ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 10:32:54 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: rage... If you want another interesting take on Rage Against the Machine (and why ideologically and integrity wise I think they're bankrupt) go back and listen the old California band Inside Out's 7". It has Zack pre RATM on vocals and he sounds suspiciously less hip hop. I also have the Inside Out / Youth of Today bootleg 7" which has a bunch of live songs and Zack isn't going "yo yo yo..." As a matter of fact he speaks with a normal accent, not some fake rap one. Inside Out was more revolutionary than RATM will ever be, true change needs to occur in the mindset of the people, in their spirituality... Dempz Gregjaw? Not Greg from Kurbjaw, is it? ------------------------------ From: evan obrien Subject: Chiller con/1st show - finally! Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 18:26:22 -0500 (EST) hi everyone, sorry for the immense wait on getting this info out to you all out there. ok, to begin with, the chiller convention was pretty interesting. i am not really into model building or horror movies about beautiful girls getting their heads chopped off, but it was uniquely intriging to walk through an ocean of stuff related to this. anyways, after walking through all the crowds and getting upstairs, i got to the misfits area. it was just as EVB and mark had described it last year, with the tombstones and whole setup and all. there were stones for jerry and doyle, and old horror movie stars. my friend joked there should have been a large one in the center with glenn's name on it. they had electric chairs where you could sit with jerry and doyle to get your photo taken. outside were the new t-shirts and models of the earth ad cover and jerry. the earth ad looked pretty neat (minus the band logo) and the jerry replica model was an exact copy of what he looks like onstage. when i walked over to jerry, i introduced myself, not really knowing what to expect, but knowing that he is pretty cool in person from what people had mentioned on the bible in the past. i told him i'd be at the show the next night in poughkeepsie to see them. (this was at the chance, in poughkeepsie, NY, oct 30th with type o negative, lycia & electric hellfire club) he seemed happy to see that someone he had met was going to be at that show. i ended up giving him directions on how to get there, which i thought was kinda funny and cool. (Me, giving these guys directions to a show they were playing!) i chatted with him a bit and found out i had just missed mark, who was around somewhere, and that EVB left saturday. i kinda wished we had made arrangements to meet somewhere. chud noticed my misfits shirt and asked me about where i got it, cause he had never seen it before. he was not really too familiar with the bible, and my questions about where the other bible members had been fell short. it turns out my misfits shirt is a bootleg. i do not mind, though, cause it's unique and i like it. it is a white shirt and has the fiend club logo in black on the front and the misfits logo in red with a stripe of yellow going through it on the back. anyhow, chud was nice and gave me a tape of his other band sacred trash. (by the way, i got the shirt at a flea market last year, so i do not think i can find any more for you fiends out there) doyle was kinda busy, so i did not get a chance to talk to him, but i do not think he is too talkative from the way he acted. before i left, jerry invited me to the soundcheck the next day. i figured this would be really cool, so i gladly accepted and took off. i must add, jerry and doyle do not look like they have aged a bit. they were in full uniform, and looked exactly as they did in '83! the next day, i headed to the chance. i didn't see jerry or doyle anywhere in sight. i went up to this guy with some equipment to ask him where they were, and before i spoke a word, he said hi and shook my hand! it was jerry, out of uniform, in sweats! i was surprised and kinda laughed to myself, realizing i could never identify them outside of costume. it was funny and weird, because for all these years i visualized them in those dark outfits and makeup...anyway, jerry was really cool, and said that soundcheck would start within the hour. i introduced him to my friends who i'd brought down with me, and he encouraged us to relax up in the balcony. after a little while, chud came up and talked to us and hung out a bit. he said it looked like soundcheck was going to get postponed for awhile, because the other band had yet to show up and the misfits were going to be using their equipment. i went downstairs and chatted with jerry, seeing that nothing was going on. it turns out soundcheck was cancelled, because the other band called and they were an hour behind schedule. before we left, jerry showed me the prototype of his new bass, which was amazing! it was graphite, and very unique. the neck and pickups were all one piece, kinda like a steinberger bass (if u have ever seen one) and the rest of the body is spider-like. altogether it looks a bit like one of those old BC Rich basses with the jagged edges that were really popular in the late eighties. the thing that makes this unique is that the bass is like one long graphite bar, and the rest of the body bolts on, so what jerry can do is smash the bass around, and the plastic pieces of the bolt-on body will fly apart, but the graphite main body remains intact. sound cool? it is. it is also a hell of a lot lighter than his old one, which is also pretty cool. he was very friendly and let us all check it out. he said there were gonna be some changes in it, but this is what it should look like when he's got it all finalized. around that point, we said farewell and took off, kinda sorry we didn't see them do the soundcheck, but happy to have been there to hang out regardless. i had brought my videocamera to the soundcheck & i was hoping to tape it, which is a real shame... the next day i went down to the show with my friend mike, and had my camera in hand. one thing i had spoken to jerry about was videotaping, which he was cool with, as long as the band got a copy. it turns out the misfits were cool with it, but the bouncers outside had different orders. i wasn't allowed to bring the camera in. boo hoo. well, don't say i didn't try! it turns out that someone else in there did have a camera, so eventually we will see a copy of the show somewhere...(but i don't know when) the guys came on about an hour into type o's performance, and put on an unbelievably energetic performance. jerry looked like a tiger waiting to attack, and doyle looked awesome. they came out in all their unbridled glory and played with mike and the guitarist from type o singing. unfortunately, (because of the lack of sound check) the sound was all over the place. i knew the songs, but they just sounded a bit off. it was still intense. i really wish more misfits fans were there, cause the testosterone dickhappy jocks who were there just didn't know what to make of it. all too quickly, the guys finished their 3 songs & exited the stage. after the show, i ran into an ecstatic jerry (he is always really cool to everyone!) who gave mike and i copies of the collection II cd and gladly autographed them. they talked to many fans and posed for pictures, all the while mentioning how they were going to be at coney island high the next night playing more songs. it was great. since the show, i got in touch with the guy who taped at coney island high the next night. i happen to know him from the city. he said they played roughly a half hour worth of music. he isn't exactly ready to start distrbuting copies of the show yet, because he is kinda scared at the fact that he has got some potentially valuable material on his hands. i am hoping to get a copy of the show as soon as possible. we'll see. as soon as i know anything, the bible will hear about it. anyway, i hope you all enjoyed this and get to meet jerry someday too. he is a good guy. by the way, if you ever see a video bootleg of type o negative at the chance, poughkeepsie, ny, oct 30th, 1995 - GET IT! this is the show to look out for, and i know it will be floating around out there sometime soon... in the meantime, all i can do is hope to get the other show from my friend in NYC. evan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 95 11:53:03 EST From: "\\A corpse" Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 Well here's my two cents on the new stuff on the web page. Personally I think it's great!!!. It brought back memories of Halloween and the excitment that I had going to see the Misfits. The only thing that was kind of dissapointing was the size of the new pictures I know that they weren't professional shots but I do wish that they could have been a little bit larger. To Michael Graves: If you want pluses and minuses of the preformance E-Mail me and I give you a through review of the Coney Island Show. HUMANS HELD BY EATING FLESH IT'S MY DESTINY. -Mozzer ------------------------------ From: Stewart Gallacher <9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: INTERVIEW Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:15:19 +0000 (GMT) Here's an interview with Glenn Danzig from a Glasgow radio station which was broadcast in early September of 1992. The interviewer's name is Tom Russel from Clyde 1 radio. TR:Talking about the Barrowlands a week or so back was a big gig there with Glenn Danzig, and the band Danzig played there after originally being booked into the Mayfair. We recorded an interview with Glenn and we asked him firstly why the change of venue? GD:The Mayfair we couldn't get our equipment truck round the back and we couldn't perform on the stage- it was too small; we couldn't get get our amps in and we couldn't get our lighting rig in. It was just... Whoever booked us into the Mayfair didn't really think very well in advance- it was too small. Because we moved to the Barrowlands we were able to let a lot more people in...so that was good. TR:I would have thought that was the sort of thing which should have been arranged weeks in advance rather than on the afternoon of the gig? GD:Me too!!! TR:Let's take a break now Glenn and have a listen to one of the tracks off the new album. This is in fact the opening track and we'll talk talk about it afterwards if that's O.K.- Godless... (PLAYS GODLESS-ALBUM VERSION) TR:Danzig- from the third album- that's the opening track- Godless. Glenn Danzig: singer, producer, writer of the track is our guest on Clyde 1 tonight GD:You forgot killer!!! TR:Serial killer?(!!) GD:No!!! TR:There's a guy called bible John that I'd like you to read about! GD:Yeah, O.K.! TR:Godless, em..."Spread your tentacles of hate around my life".. Deep sort of subject. GD:That's basically the smothering feeling, of whatever religeon is.. just trying to smother the life out of you with their hippocracy or whatever...Basically Godless is about the frustration I see that a lot of people in America or even here in Europe are having with arranged religeon- especially with Christianity and maybe even the Muslim religeons. TR:You were brought up as a Christian? GD:Yeah, my dad is Protestant and my mom is a Catholic. TR:And at some stage in your upbringing you... GD:No, i wasn't brought up real strict Christian at all. There was no forcing religeon down my throat or anything like that. Early on it was quite clear that of course my mom being Catholic would like for us to always go to church and stuff...but my dad really didn't, you know, didn't really care...as long as we had an early religeous education that's all I think that mattered to him. TR:So in that song...it's not so much Christianity that you're singing against or writing against...it's more Jimmy Swaggert type of thing? GD:Well, that's Christianity. The Baptists are Christians just like the Catholics are. I think the Baptists and the Christians are the main culprits...I mean it's clearly about more than just that, but I think also the Muslims are starting to get very oppressive with their people, but it seems like the people don't mind so much in Muslim religeon whereas I think a lot of people in the Christian religeons do mind- they're not happy...I mean there are a lot of atheists in America now- I don't know about here in Europe. TR:Are you an atheist? GD:No. I don't know if what I believe in you could call God...because I also believe in myself very strongly too, so...I wouldn't say that my beliefs are traditional at all...very far from it. (PLAYS DIRTY BLACK SUMMER-ALBUM VERSION) TR:That's the debut single from Danzig...it's taken them three albums to get it out. It's called Dirty Black Summer, it's from Danzig 3- How the Gods Kill. Glenn is our guest on Clyde tonight... I was reading somewhere in one of your interviews in one of the magazines where Hitler was mentioned and something that I wasn't aware of, you suggest that Hitler was actually a Satanist. Is that documented, is that true? GD:Yeah!!! TR:I didn't know that!!! GD:Well not so much a Satanist as very into the occult...and the Spear of Destiny which Hitler was supposed to have owned and he sent lots of missions... TR:(Interupts)What's the spear of destiny? Sorry... GD:The spear that pierced the side of Christ while he was on the cross. Its' supposed to have magical powers...whoever held it would able to fulfil any kind of destiny they want and would become very powerful. Hitler regularly sent out expeditions to find these occult artefacts and in the beginning of Hitler's reign he had a group that was called the Lords of the Left Hand... and then there was a guy named Haushofer who was his spiritualist who he could collaborate with, and this guy basically devised his war plans for him and when to attack...when the right time to attack was, how to approach things of this nature... and even more detailed I have a book called "The Occult Roots of Nazism" which explains all this. Eventually, I would say early to mid-on in the Nazi campaign, lots of people in Hitler's organisation were very jealous of other people who had power with Hitler, and turned Hitler against these people- one of these people being Haushofer, another one was Rommel- people in the third Reich were jealous of these people and the frienship they had and the trust that Hitler had with these people...and so people in the Third Reich turned Hitler against these people which eventually led to his downfall...and the two main people are Haushofer, his occultist guy...once this guy was gone, their campaign started to... become disasterous and also losing Rommel was a big, big, big disaster for him. (PLAYS HEART OF THE DEVIL-ALBUM VERSION) TR:When you were a boy- we talked about your reading- but on a lighter note, when you were a wee boy what were you buying albums-wise, or stealing? Black Sabbath albums? Deep Purple albums? GD:Black Sabbath was the first band I saw live. Yeah, they were not as good as on record but they were still good- it was with Ozzy, you know, so it was still Black Sabbath. To me Black Sabbath without Ozzy is not Black Sabbath- it's just not. And so, yeah bands like that... I've always like Elvis, even when I was a little kid, his voice you know...of course, he's put a lot of crap albums out, but he's done a lot of good work too, so... TR:An era of Glenn Danzig that I certainly wasn't into...I was never a punk, personally. There were some punks there at the Barrowlands on Friday night... GD:The Misfits and Samhain never had just a punk audience. Especially Samhain...Samhain was a very like grungey, kind of metal...it was a cross between punk and metal- both bands. Samhain actually more like a death kind of metal and punk thing...you know. And Danzig now, just even more. TR:One question just to finush it Glenn,and that's about the occult and young people- would you warn young people about getting involve in the occult? GD:As opposed to getting involved in a religeon that would want you to...? No, i wouldn't...whatever they want to get involved in is their business and it's nobody else's business. As with any religeon, Catholic, or Satanic or whatever religeon they get invoved in, you know, the Muslim religeon, whatever...use your head. TR:Glenn Danzig- thanks for talking to us tonight on Clyde and all the best. GD:You too, take care. (PLAYS HOW THE GODS KILL-ALBUM VERSION) *************************************************************************** To change subject a bit check out a book called "Punk and the Pop Narcotic". If you look at one of the appendixes at the back you'll find a reproduction of a handwritten note by Glenn Danzig on the distribution of the early Misfits 7" singles- it must have been written about 1981. Also, there is a fanzine out it Tower Records at the moment with an interview with Howie who was present at the party the night Sid Vicious died. He talks about how Jerry Only was there and how since Jerry had the Misfits logo on the back of his leather jacket, this provided some publicity for the Misfits. I can't remember the title of the 'zine, but I'll have another check and let you know- if you're looking for it, it's got a green cover. I got the new Ugly Things (#14) in the mail this morning- it features a 2 page piece on Jerry and Doyle plus a colour flyer on new Misfits merchandise. Anyone else who is interesting in trading Misfits/Samhain/Danzig tapes please feel free to contact me at the address below. I was pleased to hear from Caroline that the Misfits box set should contain a lot of unreleased stuff- I for one will definitely be looking forward to this in the new year. FROM:- Stewart Gallacher E-MAIL:-9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk P.S. sorry for any typing errors in the above interview!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 13:38:46 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Glenn Danzig/Verotika >store in oklahoma was charged w/ 8 counts of distributing obscene materials and >one of those being Glenn's Verotika#4. In a phone interview Danzig said that >he was taking no steps to aid in the stores defense. Verotik will not donate >any money to the comic book legal defense fund, nor will Danzig appear in court >to defend his publications. Glenn Danzig is swine. Every comic store in the world should stop stocking his books immediately. He is a coward and a money-grubbing maggot. Basically he seems to be saying: "I will take advantage of your distribution network to move my product, but I will let them hang you out to dry if my product gets you in trouble." The end result will be that no one will want to carry Glenn's comics, and he will lose much more money in lost revenues than he ever would have donated to the CBLDF... especially if there are convictions in the OK case. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 15:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: Chicken Subject: Misfits posters for sale My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. You can contact her through me at . Just write Posters in the subject line. -chicken ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:57:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: A cool conversation Me and my drummer (Dead 32, man!) Justin had a cool conversation this weekend on the phone. It was something like this: Him: "Hello?" Me: "Yeah Bobby? This is Jerry, uhh there's no practise today." Him: "Why not?" Me: "Glenn's sick again." Him: "Again?" Me: "Yeah, so don't bother to come over." Him: "Well I didn't feel like it anyway" Me: "Dat's what I figgerd'" Him: "What's that supposed to mean?" Me: "Nuttin'" Him: "You got Doyle over there don't you, I can hear him!" Me: "Look! I said there's no practice today!" Him: "Up yours!" Me: "Fuck you!" click. It was cool. When I called back I said he was an asshole-fuckin'-cunt. We drew some cool cartoons of the Misfits ambushing and beating Glenn, too. We draw Jerry as the spiked superhero: "The Only-Slayer" Sean M. -------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 6 Nov 1995 16:18:40 -0500 From: She Subject: POSTER CONTEST Okay, here are the answers to the poster contest questions: 1) Who was subscriber #138 to the Misfits Bible? A: Sudama Rice (this could be found on the page in a back issue) 2) What was Glenn Danzig's ambition after high school? A: To go to trade school (this was also mentioned in a back issue) 3) What is the name of the guitarist of Type O Negative? A: Kenny Hickey (this was added to the page later) 4) What is Doyle's favorite football team? A: The Giants 5) What was Jerry's number on the Lodi High School football team? A: 16 (nobody got this one) 6) How old is Mike Graves, the new vocalist? A: 20 years old (one person guessed correctly) 7) What size shoe did Glenn wear in 1990? A: 9 to 9.5 (this is on the page in the Danzig discography) 8) How did Jerry get his first bass guitar? A: Christmas present 1976 (this could be found in Ugly Things #12) 9) Who taught Franche' Coma how to play guitar? A: Ashley Morance (nobody got this for obvious reasons) 10) What Undead song did Bobby write for The Misfits? A: When The Evening Comes (All you had to do for this one was guess an early Undead song. Too many people guessed RATT FINK, even though it's made clear on the page several times that this song was an Allan Sherman song, not a Misfits or Undead song. Nobody got this although there were some good guesses.) Poster winners (all 14 of the people who responded) 6: ddebij@aol.com spwst5+@pitt.edu ujccurry@msuvx1.memphis.edu 5: pmack@shore.net flasters@pilot.msu.edu holister@summit.tminet.com 4: anp@po.cwru.edu dgreco@artsu1.watsar.uwaterloo.ca jbiniek@hawk.depaul.edu wtm108@psu.edu mark@rags.demon.co.uk 3: bile666@aol.com kriney@hartford.edu 0: zoinks@CyberGate.COM I actually expected more responses, and more correct answers. Just by looking at the page you could have gotten a 4. Anyone who's on that list, please respond to me and let me know if you still want a poster. CG is right, we do have an apathetic group. You're are lucky that Jake Starr and EVB didn't have to compete for these posters. Otherwise I wouldn't have been able to give them to everyone who tried. mark ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: 1 2 0 Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 18:43:34 -0500 (EST) > From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu > Date: Thu, 09 Nov 1995 14:20:39 -0600 (CST) > Subject: she,comics/politics,collectionII > > A few thing about Collection II, Since my copy has no lyrics to Mephisto > Waltz, and that same"nonstandard latin" phrase, did Caroline pull the lyrics > off the page? Has the songwriters copywrite or what ever run out onRATTFINK > since Danzig is listed as writting all the songs? Which nonstandard latin phrase are you talking about? I guess I'll have to see Collection II and then I'll know. Yes it's true, I don't have my copy yet. None of the stores down here have it, and Jerry never gave me one.... sob sob.... I don't know what the story is on Rat Fink. The Misfits version is a bit different than Allan Sherman's version, but not by much. Maybe Glenn thought that since he changed a few of the words, he could take credit for the song. Bobby Steele also claims song-writing credits for "Act Your Rage!", an album that also features Rat Fink. > From: satan@ns1.relex.relex.com > Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 17:10:24 +0500 > Subject: We are 138!!!!! > > Misfits fans and that makes it hard to get Misfits stuff. I went through > blood and sweat to get this Evilive tape, and then I found the CD. I'll You found what CD? Evilive? That doesn't exist, unless you're talking about the German Wolfsblood/Evilive compilation CD which doesn't include the full Evilive album. > ANyways, I was wondering if anyone knew where I can get a complete > listing of everyshow the Misfits played. I have one for Danzig but I > don't have one for the Misfits or Samhain. If anyone can help me out... And where did you get this full Danzig listing? As far as I know, I"m the only who has ever compiled such a thing, and it's sitting right on my home page along with the Misfits and Samhain tour lists. None of them (including the Danzig list) are complete yet. Once again everybody, READ THE PAGE. > From: Osito666@aol.com > > About "Mephisto Waltz" not being a Misfits song: Maybe, after Glenn and > Jerry broke up, Glenn still thought to call his band the Misfits. That band > (probably the first Samhain line-up) recorded "Mephisto Waltz" and Glenn > still thinks of it as a Misfits song. I think he's entitled. He was an > original member. Whether or not you THINK he's entitled to do so, doesn't matter. It's not something he legally should have been allowed to do. Opinions don't matter, everybody. Glenn is not and was not the Misfits. Unlike with Danzig and Samhain, the Misfits were a band. A band. If you look at old Misfits interviews, about half were done with Jerry and half with Glenn. Some were even done as full band interviews. This in general was not the case towards the end of Samhain or in Danzig at all. > "We Are 138" sounds slower than the version I have on the Bullet 7" and the > guitar solo seems to have a different ending. Is it the Beware version? The Beware version is the same as the Bullet version is the same as the Static Age version is the same as the Collection II version. They may have been taken from different copies of the same master tape, but that's about the only difference. Again, this question could have easily been answered by looking at the discography on the page. > I really like the way "Cough/Cool" sounds. It could be a version Danzig did > on his own after the original and before the break-up. I might have a > problem with it if he was trying to pass it off as the original, but since > he's not, I don't. Oh yes, many many years after the band broke up, no doubt.... > From: KENNEY@salem.wvnet.edu > In two of the past bibles there has been mention of a > misfits comic book. I remember in one of them EVB was > talking about it and said something about the artist being > from Pittsburgh and the artwork was all cartoony with These will never be released. The comic book was cancelled when Glenn wouldn't approve it. > The infamous Brett Fama said: > > Lestat: Glenn definitely did all vocals for Samhain and Danzig, but I'm > not sure if he did for the Misfits as well. Does anyone know for sure? > (Mark?) In some cases, it seems his voice is in there more than once, but > it's hard to tell if it wasn't the others soemtimes doing (some) backups. > In the Misfits Book it says Franche' and Glenn both did backups on > 'Return of the Fly" and "Attitude", so this might imply that these were > just occasions when Glenn didn't do the backups alone. What does > everyone else think? Did Jerry ever tell you that he or the other > sometimes sang backups in the studio Mark? In the early days, Franche' and Glenn did back up vocals, and then later when Jerry was over his 'shyness' as Franche' called it, he started doing backups too. So some of that stuff on Walk Among Us features Jerry's voice. Another obvious one is Queen Wasp off of EAD. And what are you saying about Danzig? Listen to "Tired Of Being Alive" and "It's Coming Down". You'll hear Eerie and John pretty clearly during the choruses - "I'm on fire and a need a hole" from "It's Coming Down" and several parts from "Tired Of Being Alive". > From: lin01862@acad.suffolk.edu > other stores have a clue about it. is static age still going to be released? > ------------------------mark YES! In the box set in February. Look at the page. > From: BT5211 > > page that you put in. I happen to be a huge Fugazi fan as well as a > Misfits fan. Do you by any chance listen to Minuitemen or fIREHOSE? > An does anyone know if Fugazi will be touring in the UK? I can't > find any dates past November. I don't listen to Minutemen or Firehose, so I can't help you there. Fugazi toured Europe for about a month and a half, ending in mid-July, so I don't expect their return any time soon. As far as I know, they haven't come up with any dates after the 10 or so in November that are listed on their page. > One other thing. I noticed that most of the people in the bible are > in the east of the US. I live out west and I don't know that many > fiends. The misfits actually aren't that popular. Punk bands like > the Sex Pistols, Ramones, Minor Threat, and Bad Religion are much > more well known. Is this the case back east? Minor Threat, yes, but those other bands.... not really with the people I know. > When will collection 2 be released in the UK and will the Misfits > come to Europe? During the convention I overheard something about the band going to Europe next year, in May. Not to get your hopes up or anything. I don't know exactly where they were talking about, so I'm probably wrong. mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:02 -0800 From: tom@noif.ncp.bc.ca (Tom Spence) Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 It's cool to be back after 'round 6 months of nothing... I got better access and now I can look at The Pit with Netscape (not just text)! It kicks ass! I took a look at the concert photos and they look cool too. Pictures and videos are probably the only way I'll ever see the 'fits live because I kind of doubt they'll ever come to west coast Canada. So what's the deal with the Fiend Club? I've sent about 3 letters and I haven't gotten any acknowledgement or nothin'. No letter or catalogue or shit! They have a new address or what? Did anyone else get into Samhain, Misfits and Danzig before realizing that Glenn sang for them all? I got into Misfits then Danzig then Samhain. One of my friends thought that the Misfits singer sounded like the guy from 411 (Dan O'Mahoney?) and another friend had a (crazy at the time) idea that the singer for the Misfits sounded like Glenn. I found out he sang for all of them when I read a review for HTGK in a Transworld Skateboarding mag... Now I don't see how I could have been so stupid! Still don't have collection II and I think I'm gonna have to special order it... Local tape stores suck. Tom......................................................................... ....... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 21:43:57 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost "B.M. Fama" wrote: >Lestat: Glenn definitely did all vocals for Samhain and Danzig, but I'm >not sure if he did for the Misfits as well. Does anyone know for sure? >(Mark?) In some cases, it seems his voice is in there more than once, but >it's hard to tell if it wasn't the others soemtimes doing (some) backups. >In the Misfits Book it says Franche' and Glenn both did backups on >'Return of the Fly" and "Attitude", so this might imply that these were >just occasions when Glenn didn't do the backups alone. What does >everyone else think? Did Jerry ever tell you that he or the other >sometimes sang backups in the studio Mark? According to my records these are the backing vocal lineups for the following tunes. These are from my same dependable source don't blame me if you disagree. All hell Breaks.. - Jerry AngelFuck - Jerry (Live?) Attitude - Jerry Astrozombies - Jerry Bloodfeast - Jerry Braineaters - Jerry & Doyle Children in heat - Jerry Death come Ripping - Jerry & Doyle Demonomania - Jerry Devilswhorehouse - Jerry & Doyle Devilock - Jerry Die Die.... - Jerry & Doyle Earth A.D. - Jerry & Doyle Ghouls Night out - Jerry & Doyle Green Hell - Jerry & Doyle Halloween I - Jerry & Doyle Halloween II - Jerry does the "Monster" vocals Hate Breeders - Jerry & Doyle Hell Hound - Jerry & Doyle Hollywood Babylon - Jerry & Franche btw: Jerry & Franche Wrote the E-G Riff Horror Biz - Jerry I Turned into.... - Jerry & Doyle Last Caress - Jerry London Dungeon - Jerry & Doyle Mommy...... - Jerry & Doyle Night of the liv.. - Jerry & Doyle Nike - Jerry & Doyle Queen Wasp - Jerry & Doyle Return of the Fly - Jerry the next 6 tunes are ripped out of my notebook will try to figure them out -- they are the next 6 alpha order I know the line ups just the titles are missing T.V. Casualty - Jerry 20 Eyes - Jerry & Doyle Vampira - Jerry & Doyle Violent World - Jerry & Doyle We R 138 - Jerry & Franche We Bite - Jerry & Doyle Where Eagles Dare - Jerry Who Killed Marylyn - Jerry & Doyle %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% * A writer is like a gypsy. He owes no allegiance to any government.% % If he is a good writer he will never like the government he lives * * under. His hand should be against it, and its hand will always % % be against him. -- Ernest Hemingway * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 16:03:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Bryan M. Gruda" Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 I STILL HAVEN'T RECIVED COLLECTION II AND I'M STARTING TO GET PISSED! ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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Collection II Review..What stinks? Rat Fink Take a wild guess THX1138 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank Fama Subject: vocals Date: Thu, 16 Nov 95 1:48:17 EST Hey Mark and CG, thanks for the responses to my backup vocals question; I can easily see how the others did them on WAU etc. ****BUT**** Mark, unless you are speaking of Danzig live performances, there is NO WAY that is Eerie and John in the songs you mentioned. Okay MAYBE (BIG maybe) they could be on "Tired of Being Alive", since there are several voices and it's harder to tell, (though I still believe it's ALL Glenn), but on "It's Coming Down" IT IS MOST POSITIVELY, DEFINITELY, WITHOUT ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER *Glenn Anzalone born 6/23/55 (or 59 if you prefer) from Lodi, NJ, who led The Misfits, then Samhain...(you get the picture by now) singing the line "I'm on fire..." ALONE. If you meant to say otherwise, Mark, I have to disagree with you VERY ADAMANTLY. Also, just on the fact alone that Glenn does all voices on the other songs (excl. Hetfield on Twist of Cain etc), I don't see why Eerie and John would do "Tired..." Not to cause any trouble, but Glenn himself could tell me that it's not him on backups for "It's Coming Down" and I wouldn't believe him, so I must disagree with you on this point. I know I don't have to even suggest that you listen to the songs, as doubtless you've heard them a million times, but... -Brett . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 23:00:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" Subject: stuff Fiends, Collection II is pretty cool, but yet I have mixed feelings about it as has been continually assessed. My question: Does anyone know who is modeling as the Crimson Ghost on the Collection II cover, or is it just art? Just Wondering... fiendishly, nate ------------------------------ From: Andreas Viehoff/SYBASE Date: 16 Nov 95 13:20:16 EDT Subject: Collection II, Halloween, Politics, Posters Hi all, I just wanted to make some comments on the past bibles: COLLECTION II: We havent got it here in Europe(Germany) by now and this kinda pisses me off, but what the f***. We had to wait about two months for 4p to get released over here. HALLOWEEN: Well, what can I say. Some of you had the chance to see the MISFITS play live!!!! Whatever the circumstances have been like, dont forget that youve been f**n privileged. Who knows when we will have the chance to see m somewhere around here. BTW, thanks to all those that told us on the Bible what it was like to be there or to hang out with the guys....(that means you Mark and Evan). CRIMSON GHOST/POLITICS: In my opinion this is exactly what the Bible should be like: Discussing such stuff (related, somehow). My opinion: Bands dont start with what they do in order to make lots of money. They start for fun, or cause they got something to say. If they earn money, fine with me, if they earn lots of money, so what? I guess that some bands out there really never realized what they were doing, signing with Sony or Warner...They just got a contract! Great! Sign it! Put out albums. Keep us much of your independance as possible. This works for some people, GnR (now, thats what I call a SELLOUT, though, they did not put out an official live album....by now), but it does not work for all of them: they go into a different directions = Pearl Jam, they split up = Sex Pistols, or they blow their heads off = Kurt Cobain/Ian Curtis(Joy Division). Before I completely lose what my opinion was: I dont care how much money they earn, as long as I like what they are doing, as long as they like what they are doing, its ok for me. And if there is some sort of message in their songs, its still important if they earn money, its even more important if millions of people listen to it or see it on MTV. POSTERS/COMPETITION: I wanted to enter, but as always, i was to slow. Sure I would love to have one of those posters, as we dont get to see much Misfits stuff here, but: I dont want you to post it to Germany. I dont know how expensive that would be. COVER BANDS: Its fun to see a good one on stage, its boring to listen to a recording. I wish there was a band here in Germany that covered the Misfits. A live show, even a cover show is always something else than listening to a CD.... BTW, how many fiends from europe are on this list: Stand up, say HI and introduce yourself. Thats all for now, sorry fiends, for this extremely long post, but anyway.... THANKS Mark (from all of us, I guess) (I have not said that before) ;-), A. "I will never excuse for asking a stupid question" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 12:38:27 -0500 (EST) From: eRiC sNoOk Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #121 > > From: Osito666@aol.com > > "We Are 138" sounds slower than the version I have on the Bullet 7" and the > > guitar solo seems to have a different ending. Is it the Beware version? > > mark replied with: > The Beware version is the same as the Bullet version is the same as > the Static Age version is the same as the Collection II version. They > may have been taken from different copies of the same master tape, but > that's about the only difference. Again, this question could have > easily been answered by looking at the discography on the page. Bingo! That's right. However, there are some BULLET bootlegs that are floating around that are waaaaay too fast. I have a copy [yes, I bought bootlegs!] and they were recorded at 33 rpm instead of 33 1/3 or vice versa [so I'm an idiot!] and the result is that it is way faster. Put a half dollar or something similar on the label and that should slow it down. This could be where the confusion is coming from. > > I really like the way "Cough/Cool" sounds. It could be a version Danzig did > > on his own after the original and before the break-up. I might have a > > problem with it if he was trying to pass it off as the original, but since > > he's not, I don't. > > Oh yes, many many years after the band broke up, no doubt.... In my opinion, cira 1995... On a side note: When I mentioned that the WAU tracks sounded like Black Flag, that as before that I noticed Spot helped with Collection II. Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Black Flag fan (esp. Keith Morris!) but when I want Black Flag, I play Black Flag. When I want Misfits, I play Misfits. To all the people who like Collection II: Hey! I said go out and buy it. I didn't say it was a turd, but it was a let down. It could have been infinitely better, and probably EASIER to do. I mean I think putting a master on a CD is a bit easier than REMIXING, RE-VOCALIZING, and RE-DUBBING the whole frickin' thing! The way this album is presented isn't a remix albm (like a Dance/Club mix... I can see it now, Teenagers >From Mars - Kiddie Angst Mix or All Hell Breaks Loose -Armageddeon Dub) but as a COLLECTION [II]. Even K-Tel always boasts "20 Original Songs, by the original artists!" and not "Revamped Stuff that you don't know when it was recorded or with who!" So maybe I'm being tuff on Collection II. The only reason is that it could have been better. Collection II is better than nothing, but I'm still hangin' on to my 7"s! .,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+' Eric Snook University of Michigan snook@umich.edu `'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,.,+'`'+,. ------------------------------ From: She Subject: 121 Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 14:11:35 -0500 (EST) > From: MR MAURICIO NUNEZ > cough/cool was really great. Same with Mephisto Waltz. And if Glenn > wants Mephisto Waltz to be known as a Misfits song, then is a Misfits. > Remember Glenn Nope. > Subject: Misfits posters for sale > > My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static > Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. > You can contact her through me at . Just write > Posters in the subject line. Just a reminder to everybody. Before you go out and pay big bucks for posters that were meant to be ****FREE**** remember that Caroline still has many many thousands more and they will go out sometime. You shouldn't have to pay more than the postage price for these things. > > Date: Wed, 15 Nov 1995 17:53:02 -0800 > From: tom@noif.ncp.bc.ca (Tom Spence) > Subject: Re: Misfits Bible, #120 > > So what's the deal with the Fiend Club? I've sent about 3 letters and I > haven't gotten any acknowledgement or nothin'. No letter or catalogue or > shit! They have a new address or what? It's all in the back issues and actually on the page. The Fiend Club is currently re-organzing and preparing for mass mailings. The only thing they have that's similar to a catalog is the order form on the page, and they just printed those up recently. Be patient everyone. IT wasn't even until last month that they decided on a singer. They have a LOT of stuff on their minds, and they do all the fan club stuff right now personally. Everything you send to the P.O. Box 310 address will be opened and read by Jerry and/or the rest of the band. mark ------------------------------ From: Opus Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 13:45:26 +0000 Subject: My two cents... Well, this is my first entry to this, so I thought that I would introduce myself. I am from Denver, Colorado and have been a large Misfits fan from the sixth grade. Yes, sixth. My brother introduced me to the band that year, and I have loved them ever since. Needless to say, I learned to appriciate their music a hell of a lot more as I got older. Someone in issue #121 mention that he/she was from the west, and stated that the misfits were not as popular. I guess it just depends on who you know. A lot of my friends are Fiends along with myself. If you are from Colorado, let me know. Other bands I like include Minor Threat, Fugazi, Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Operation Ivy, Rancid, and others. I have to say that I am still a little leary about the return of the Misfits, mainly because I have yet to hear them as they are now. I am still wondering if the Misfits were a great thing 15 years ago, and something that we can still enjoy on the old turn table. The Misfits kicked ass in their day, but is their day gone, or was it on haitatus for 15 years. I have no problem with them playing their old stuff, it was good material (although I want to know if the new singer is good), but I want to know if they can release new material, and have it as good as the Misfits of the late 70's and early 80's. I hope so! Michael Cahill "Opus" evil never dies... ------------------------------ From: satan@relex.com Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 18:55:40 +0500 Subject: Cool stuff here! Hey everybody. Call this number!!! 1-800-637-9239 And ask for a catalog!!! they have cool Misfits stuff. They have EVILIVE on CD!!! They sold out right now but they said they should be gettin more in in a week! They also have NOTLD on CD, Earth AD, and more! They have cool shirts, Misfits winter hats! It's a cool place and everyone should check it out! Call this damn number! Also, I am having trouble finding Collection II!!! I can't find it anywhere. Did they not make a real lot of them or what? ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:36:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Farewell, Fiends Well, this is it for me. BOOTED out of school! No loans--no stay!@ Had a great time over the last year and a half! Hope I can get a computer so I can someday join back in the fun. Well at least I got the good old audios to hear, and can do Dead 32 full time. See ya!~ Sean M Sean M Sean M Sean M! BYE Ps. Where is EVB?? ------------------------------ From: REAGANPR@vax1.acs.jmu.edu Date: Thu, 16 Nov 1995 15:00:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: NYC photos Hey Fiends! Sorry that I didn't post anything for thursday's bible, but the e-mail systems are down here. Alright, I have orders from the following people: 1. Stewart Gallacher 2. Goat 3. Evan Obrien 4. EVB 5. Ellie Piper 6. Paul Holstein 7. Jon Holford 8. Michelle Lussier I have yet to get postage prices for the picures as well as prices for photocopies. But the prices for color reprints are as follows: 5x7 reprints........$2.19 each 8x10 reprints..........$3.99 each All prices include tax. If you have expressed a desire to trade or pay for the pictures I can give you a list of all the good pictures I have. Off the top of my head these are some good ones: 1. Bobby Steele and myself before the halloween party 2. pic of the whole band in action 3. pic of Sal B. singing w/ the whole band Just e-mail me for details, and I'll be sure to get the prices for photocopies and postage as well as a list of all the decent photos. pat. ------------------------------ From: WL262000@wvnvaxa.wvnet.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 11:43:19 -0500 (EST) ~ . ~ ~: '\ L U! <> .!> .=` > `x. ..u ?. ....... `` ) !l@X!Eiue@E"````^"""-. :><.u:==*~""^^~+. > : . .: .:.X+~ 4+XT@W?B$NR@Z+>!$$> !$-+* `Q$W%!XX!$dT$\E@Hf '""#!*Z@**` 4~: .U@*tx :9*" `~**6*l$!#` ' " ::>Xcd#` #s/tbuu. :"` . udWW$l6dFd" . . 4*c"$#6@W!bu.. .d$W$$6UWXT$@E :kb: t#%x``%!#X*$$Nu "*$$$"``4$$$T$KT$N4LL.)uu?Nc`M~~7$$$$# """ "$B$$$W$NX***TZT*L$> `**" !@$*9$$$*@"99&*%M*d~ :$b#Z#Uh$'W!bX)H97* `W2*%L#"E # 9"S~WK `$> ` " $" " /" SSSSSSS SSSSSSSSS NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMM MMMM HHH HHH NNNNN NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMM MMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAA IIII NNNNN NNN SSSSSSSSSS AAAAAAAA MMMMM MMMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAA IIII NNNNN NNN SSSS AAAA AAA MMMMM MMMMMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAA IIII NNNNNN NN SSSS AAA AA MMMMMM MMMMMMM HHH HHH AAAA AAA IIII NNNNNNN NN SSSSSSS AAA AAA MMM MMMMMMMMMM HHHHHHHHH AAAA AAAA IIII NNNN NNN NN SSSSSSS AAAAAAAAA MMM MMMMM MMM HHHHHHHHH AAA AAA III NNN NNNNN SSSSS AAAAAAAAA MMM MMM MMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAAA III NNN NNNN SSSSS AAA AAA MMM MMM MMM HHH HHH AAAAAAAAA III NNN NNN SSSSSSSSS AAA AAA MMM MM MMM HHH HHH AAA AAA II NNN NNN SSSSSSSSS AAA AAA HH AAA AAA ------------------------------ From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 15:11:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: MAXIMUMMSFITS The new issue of MAXIMUMROCKANDROLL has Jerry on the cover and an article inside. It's about five pages long or so with some old pictures. I wish i had a better copy of some of the pics, the one i wanted to see most clearly was one that had the band covered in blood like that Samhain cover(although it could be sweat or beer or something, but it looked most like blood to me-if you know MAX you know the photos are'nt that clear.) The article is from some radio promotion done in California and it is kind of dated(talk of getting Dave V) Someone mentioned Famous Monster a few issues ago, Yes it still is being published 6 times a year. The new iss has a page with a lot of monster models on it. All look to be about the quallity of the jerry model with around the same prices. So the Jerry model might seem alot to pay if your not in to it, but if you are, its reasonable.(wish i could afford one) The new iss also has a small pic of a gangster handing over some dough to the crimson ghost. Jerry got a new bass? and it looks kind of like a B.C. rich warlock? i hate those things. hope it looks better than what im picturing in my head, and he kept the old headstock. Think jerry's name or NOTLD were influenced by the punkish band The Only Ones who were around in '77,'78 there abouts? I think the video shot for flipside has doyle playing the theme from the Munsters for a few seconds. I know this isnt really a cover tune and is a very minor thing, but i thought i'd just throw it out to see if anybody thought it should be on the page. Does anybody know who pulled the "here is wisdom... mark of the beast" horseshit off the CD of walk amoung us?(warner bros?) Lastly(sorry this is so long and so full of crap) like Craig Walters i dont really like cover bands either, but i thought he was a little harsh. If some guys want to have a msifits cover band, no big deal. I dont think they are going to really be taking money out of the misfits pockets. I think its some guys just having fun, they might make enough money to buy a good lunch. The misfits them selves took from sources they liked(artwork,lyrics) sources that they probably didnt have a legal right to. Let the guys have there fun. they might be the next Dread Zeppilin(puke) or Dickies(cool) someday. jamil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:21:32 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Revolutionary bands, etc... Okay.. I've watched (read?!) this whole thing for a few bibles now, and it's gotten kind of silly. Here's my reply to CG's last post, which went over the top. For those who don't care about this, hit that scroll dowm key... this is a long one. >I made this comment as a stab at these "indie snobs" who think that major >labels are evil. That's because they *are*, to most creative people. Listen: the film critic Pauline Kael once described the film industry as 'businessmen in charge of an art form', and I think that summation holds equally as well for the music industry. The major players simply do not *care* about music, they care about the bottom line. They sign bands not because the music grooves them, but because they see potential profit (See: Seattle). It holds logically that a record company would want a band with a following or (and this applies to RATM) a proven formula. Do you think RATM could've got signed in 1985, playing the music they play now? More importantly, do you think 1985 RATM would sound like they do now? No. My guess is that 1985 RATM would have sounded a lot like Ratt, Cinderella or any number of big hair bands. It seems very clear to me (and several others on this list as well) that RATM are chamelions. They mold to what sells: Angry hip-hop -- but since they're whiteboys and can't claim the ghetto as their angry button, they choose middle class suburban revolution, which puts them on "alternative" playlists. They drop the name of Che Guivera in interviews so we think they're 'real'. Anyone who tells you they are revolutionary is automatically suspect, and RATM told us every chance they got. I can't recall where I read this, but some band was bitching about RATM a while back. They brought up a show they saw on the Lollapalooza tour, where each member of RATM painted a letter on their chest to spell out P.M.R.C., and stood on the stage with tape covering their mouths, not playing anything, just standing there, trying to make a dramatic point. They did this for almost 15 minutes, while the audience got agitated. The band relating the story pointed out that the PMRC has been disbanded for almost 4 years at that point, so exactly what point were they trying to make? The PMRC never bothered *them*... Now, you're going to say "I like the music, not the politics". Which is OK, but RATM have consistently sold themselves as a 'political' band first and foremost. The music has *always* come second to the message. And if the message is false, what are we to make of the music? >Yes it is a cheap shot, it was meant as a cheap shot. You can't take cheap shots and then expect anyone to take what you say seriously. If you have to resort to trashing someone to make your point, you didn't have very much of a point to begin with. >There are plenty of people on this list that think that because a band is >popular they have sold out. Look at the thread about the fucking Misfits >statues. I agree with you about the statues: cost vs price, but let's ask ourselves why the Misfits are back together after 12-13 years? *Everyone* knows the answer to this, even if not everyone is willing to say it. Because the Misfits can make gobs of money now in this punk-dominated musical atmosphere. They didn't make any money when they were together, and no one but Glenn has made money from their legacy since then, but *everyone* loves the Misfits; everyone claims them as an influence, etc. So why shouldn't Jerry & Doyle suit up and hit the road? They can make the money they have been denied all these years. To me, that is perfectly OK, even if they are going about it sort of dishonestly. It's why I'll cough up the dough to see them live if they come around where I live. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking we all want the Misfits to stay together and make lots of new albums. They are an oldies band now, and that's how we want them to stay. Their new music will suck, because the principal songwriter is not a part of this revival. We did not want Kryst the Conqueror the first time around. Shit dressed up with spikes, leather and devilocks is still shit! End of rant. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 17:21:36 -0500 From: Dave Asselin Subject: Mephisto Waltz >Whether or not you THINK he's entitled to do so, doesn't matter. It's not >something he legally should have been allowed to do. Opinions don't >matter, everybody. Glenn is not and was not the Misfits A few days ago I talked with a friend who is well versed in copyright laws, and this is what he told me, in relation to Mephisto Waltz: Glenn wrote the song when the Misfits were together, for the Misfits. They practiced it at least once as the Misfits. It is, at that point, a Misfits song. He copyrights and registers the song with his music publishing company as a Misfits song. The band breaks up, so Glenn records Mephisto Waltz along with several other Misfits songs with other people, maybe just himself. See, until 1994 (when it was established otherwise), Glenn Danzig was the Misfits, so anything recorded up until that point can legally be called a Misfits song if he registered it before they broke up. That's why Legacy of Brutality is the Misfits even when it's noone but Glenn and drummer X. He could have done the same thing with Archangel, but he chose to publish that as a Samhain song. Conceivably, Glenn could record *anything* he registered pre-breakup and call it Misfits (This explains Cough/Cool). My friend said the Feline Nursery/Spinal Remains vocals issue sounds like Feline Nursery was never registered, but he tagged some lyrics onto the instrumental and registered it as a different song before the breakup. - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:32:29 EST From: UWFL86C@prodigy.com (JAMES POE) Subject: blabla you are the greatest band ever to live. I just want to know why did you change to Danzig. I think that you should have stayed punk because you were really cool! Go back to punk Glen. Intead of this heavy metal crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ From: Osito666@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 20:51:57 -0500 Subject: Mephisto Waltz Mark, I incorrectly assumed that the web page discography would be like most of the other discographies I've seen, nothing more than a list of releases with a date beside them. I should have known you'd be more thorough than that. Thanks for clearing up my question about "We Are 138". Also appreciated was the back issue. I'm only guessing that you sent it so I'd see that Danzig was never in doubt of what to call his second band. That throws my theory out the window, but it raised another question. He says in the interview that with Samhain he was leaving behind easily identifiable song sources, like movies. I've seen a movie at the video store called "Mephisto Waltz", which leads me to think that Danzig was still in the Misfits songwriting mindset when he wrote the song. You must understand, though, that I'm not saying it's right to include a song on Collection II that the Misfits didn't play on. I'm only trying to understand what he must have been thinking when he decided to include it. Again, maybe he thinks of it as a Misfits song. People on the bible often end their letters by advertising for or requesting bootleg recordings and I've never heard a peep out of you as to the legality of this. But the minute I said I thought Danzig was entitled to release questionable material, under the Misfits name, you turned into a lawyer. I went out of my way to preface each of my comments with "maybe", "could be", and "probably", and I didn't say, "He's entitled." I said, "I think he's entitled." By law, I'm allowed to say that. Looking forward to the next issue of the bible, Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 18:05:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Neil E. McAllister" Subject: Can't find Collection II? You're not alone!! Out here in San Francisco, it's been a bitch to try and find. Nobody has it. Virgin Megastore San Francisco, the SINGLE LARGEST RECORD STORE IN THE COUNTRY, does not stock it!! Tower Records, nothing. Wherehouse Entertainment, nothing. Make no mistake, these are all big chain stores but they DO carry the Misfits, each one of them... just not Collection II! Even the one store I found on Haight Street that had a poster in the window, didn't have a copy when I went by last. This was before the 14th though, so I'm going to have to try there again to see if it's come in since. But it's damn frustrating! Do you think Caroline is just firing off its initial press to whatever markets it feels like filling, and then it's going to re-press it with Glenn's new artwork he's been talking about, and finally do a "real" release?? ------------------------------ From: Bile666@aol.com Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 11:05:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Glenn Danzig/Verotika In the last bible, "Dave" wrote: "Glenn Danzig is swine. Every comic store in the world should stop stocking his books immediately. He is a coward and a money-grubbing maggot. Basically he seems to be saying: "I will take advantage of your distribution network to move my product, but I will let them hang you out to dry if my product gets you in trouble." The end result will be that no one will want to carry Glenn's comics, and he will lose much more money in lost revenues than he ever would have donated to the CBLDF... especially if there are convictions in the OK case." Why should Glenn have to help out these comic book stores who were irresponsible and stupid enough to sell comics that are obviously meant for adults to minors? Why should Glenn have to pay for someone else's mistakes? Just because they carry his comics? It wasn't "his product" that got them in trouble. It was their own lack of brain power. Many comic book stores have adult sections or at least put comics that they don't want to fall into the hands of the under 18 crowd up on the top shelves or in plastic wraps with warning labels. It's the comic stores responsibility to say, "Hey ... this is some heavy shit ... this isn't for minors" and then tell their employees to sell it to minors under no circumstances and card customers whose age they're not sure of. Come on. It's common sense. The comic in question, Verotika #4, has a scene where a girl is getting raped in some of the most brutal ways. I think the comic shop owner should've seen this and said, "Hmmm ... maybe I shouldn't sell this to that kid ..." Why should Glenn have to deal with someone as inept as that? Why is it his responsibility? If the local video store let a minor rent a porn film, whose fault is it? The guy who made the film or the store who rented it? If a guy in a liquor store sells a bottle of Thunderbird to a minor, whose fault is it? The Thunderbird company or the jackass who sold it to the kid? I think it's obvious. It's a simple matter of responsibility. We're not talking about a case where a store got into legal trouble just for carrying the comic. The store sold a comic that wasn't meant for minors to a minor. The comic store near me sells all kinds of Verotik titles, Faust, etc. and has never gotten into trouble because they who not to sell them to. Comic shops shouldn't sell these kind of comics to minors and then bitch that Glenn isn't helping them out. Why should he? I sure as hell wouldn't if I were him. Even if you're not a fan of Glenn's I think you'd have to agree with me on this one ... - BILE666. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 13:11:00 -0500 (EST) From: Army of Nostradamus Subject: oi oi oi hey- Last Bible, Greg Petre said something about the Misfits saying "Oi oi oi" in Braineaters - it's always sounded that way to me, too. One of my brother's friends once said that the Misfits are actually the best oi band ever, although they are never classified as oi music. I don't know because it's never been clear to me what makes oi different from just plain punk rock except that oi music involves shouting the word "oi." Any oi fans out there who can explain what oi is all about, and whether the Misfits qualify as oi? -aon-1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 20:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: 02tjthompson@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Yet another Collection II review... Well...just got my copy of Collection II and have a lot of the same comments that you've all heard already. I personally like it...mostly because the sound quality is just far superior to any other Misfits recordings I have. I personally like Mephisto Waltz...probably because I like Samhain. The only thing I didn't like was Cough/Cool...this version just sucks...I hate to think that for many this will be the first version of it that they will hear. Other than that though...I like it. Tim P.S. CG...I still read all of your posts...the bible would be boring without them (and was for a while when you weren't posting). I still miss EVB's posts though.... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 95 22:49:17 EST From: "\\A corpse" Subject: Collection II My Girlfriend picked up Collection II for me last night and I have to say that for $13.99 it sucks. The only song I never heard was of course Mephisto's Waltz and honestly it sounded like proto Samhain. The Remixes were all right, in particular HateBreeders and Devilswhorehouse, but the remix of Nike and Braineaters sucked. Also I wonder how long ago did Glenn did the vocals for Cough/Cool one,two months ago. Personally I think that if this cheesy albulm was the reason that Static Age (Which kicks Collections II's ass) was canceled and sent to the infinte hell of being released on a boxed set. (Don't get me wrong I want the boxed set, but think of all the people who'll never hear Static Age only because to get it you'll have to pay $50 - up) Then I now think that Glenn is truly an Asshole. Sincerly Mozzer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Nov 1995 22:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: KEITH "GWAR" NOSS Subject: Little Craig Riding Hood and the Cover Bands "My grandma Walters, what big balls you have" "The better to flame you with." "My, what a big inflated head you have." "The better to store my incorrect conclusions." Let me first say that I dont have any problem with someone stating their opinion but, when you get on this board and start spouting off about something that someone chooses to do without having the whole story, that pisses me off. I'm refering to craig walter's attempt at belittling my cover band "Devilock." Point #1: Devilock has and always has had the permission of Glenn Danzig to play whatever Misfits songs we choose to. And as far as Jerry and Doyle go, I'm sure they wouldnt be so money driven as craig walters seems to think they would be to demand money from us for making a lousy 40$ a gig while playing their songs.(and that's only 10$ going to me after it's split amongst the band) Anyone else agree? If it would make you any happier, i'll cut a check to Jerry and Doyle right now if they request it from me. This isnt even to mention the money we bring the Misfits way by turning new fans on to the music. Read my post again and you'll see that I said I've talked with Eerie(not to mention Glenn-who gave me permission via the fan club to perform) so Devilock has been contacted and does have permission.....end of story! Point #2: You also commented that cover bands are unoriginal and basing your musical existence on one band is ridiculous. If you had bothered to ask before jumping to another conclusion, I would have told you that Devilock has many original songs and we dont base our whole existence on the Misfits. I could easily form another band and play originals but it is my choice not to do so, just as it is your choice not ot go see cover bands (dont...no one cares who you choose to see). What would be the point of playing originals when people are expecting to hear Misfits tunes as promised. It's called having fun and giving a little joy to other people who may never have the chance of hearing Misfits songs live. I'm sure most of the people on this board would go see a Misfits cover band if they had the chance and it only cost two bucks to get in. Also, if you had bothered to read the post, it clearly states that we do the songs in more of a metal vein (I also change some of the structure of the songs around and the lyrics to make them sound better live- which if you know anything about copyright laws, is perfectly legal- Glenn does it with "The Hunter" not to mention other songs including the Misfits, and he plays them live - do you honestly believe he sends royalty checks to any of those performers?). We certainly dont re-hash the songs either, we're good at what we do and damn proud of it, I mean, we have Glenn Danzig's support, what else do we need? So, we are original, we dont base our whole existence on the Misfits, and I feel we represent the band in a very professional manner. How could we get gigs if that weren't all true. Point #3: You said we might never have heard the Misfit's music if they were a cover band. Do you honestly think that Jerry and Doyle never got together with anyone and jammed cover tunes before they were in the Misfits, I highly doubt that! Everyone who has ever picked up an instrument has played someone else's tunes. And if your a song writer(as I am) you should know that one of the greatest thrills is to hear someone perform one of you songs. Point #4: Your opinions are fine, I have friends that joke about cover bands, but it is not only unfair but rude, to assume things about my band before you ask me about the band first. If it makes you any happier "Devilock" will cease to exist as a band if I hear anything from Doyle, Jerry or anyone else associated with the Misfits who have a problem with it, but I tend to think they are all above money or any of that nonsense to worry about my band. And that is my opinion. Sorry for this post being so long, but i was pissed, The Noss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 08:42:47 -0500 From: Crimson Ghost Subject: Last Ish "mr. pink" Said: >ok, i'm gonna have to disagree with whoever seems to think that gleen has >more brains than morrison. i mean, yes...morrison did fuck up with >drinkin and all and ended up dying at 27, but he was a genius!...... >...i think morrison was a genius and glenn is merely a >smart guy. I couldn't agree with you more Pink. While glenn is really good at what he does, morrison was good at many different styles. Morrison was exploring dark lyrics long before Danzig. People don't relate as well to Jim's style because of all the symbolism. Danzig uses alot of sybolism also, it's just not as deep. I just feel sorry for your email addy, I think you will get alot of fallout from this. I'm over-simplifying things here, because I don't want to take up space comparing the two. Suffice to say that in my opine Jim was more. Of course there will always be fanatics that elevate Danzig (and others) to GOD Level. They are truly the unintelligent ones. Btw: My alltime favorite movie sequence ...> The beginning of Apocalypse Now! I really think that's what "The End" was written for Andy Dempz Said: >>---Original post snipped due to lack of quotable content----<< Andy you make valid points. But your still missing the the forest, it doesn't matter what Zack did prior. The fact of the matter is RATM (in particular Killing in....) is a very powerful tune that's fun to listen to. It doesn't matter if the band sucks collective corporate cock, or that his accent is phoney. Put it this way. Do you think that any version of the misfits walked around in full monster regalia if they were not doing a show or appearance? Of course not! It's a fucking act. It gives the band more appeal, it's all about making money. This is how they make a living, support their families, habits etc..... On another subject these next two posts disturbed me greatly. I just want to know what the fuck they are thinking. Chicken Said: >Subject: Misfits posters for sale >My friend who went to the show on Halloween aquired many MISFITS "static >Age" posters. If you want one, make an offer, she is pretty flexible. >You can contact her through me at . Just write >Posters in the subject line. >-chicken Here's my offer - Send me one - I'll send you 3 $1 US stamps plus a Mailing tube - that should cover it. Since these posters were supposed to be free, your friend is a greedy pig. Not to mention the fact that she is trying to sell stolen merchandise. She's trying to make a profit off posters that are the property of the band & Caroline Records. Since Caroline records and the band read this list, your post is very foolish, do you know how easy it would be to track you down? I'm sure some moron will give her money for them, but NOBODY on this list should even think about it. It's people like her that ruin it for everybody. \\A corpse" Said: > To Michael Graves: > If you want pluses and minuses of the >preformance E-Mail me and I >give you a through review of the Coney Island Show. You are low, Why should Michale furnish you with his email addy, so you can abuse it? If you have something to say about the show, say it so everyone can hear it. His addy was deleted from the last issue for a reason, he wanted it kept away from people like you. ....Silently remembering the time when this list was under 50 people, if posts like this were done back then these people would have been crucified. %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% % * * "I believe that people would be alive today % % if there were a death penalty." Nancy Reagan * * % % ---- The Crimson Ghost * * http://www.planet.net//CrimsonGhost/ % %*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*%*% ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 15:12:53 -0500 From: bloodhogan@grecco.roman.warrior.com Subject: this MISFITS SUCK, YOU LOSERS! ------------------------------ From: EV777@aol.com Date: Sun, 19 Nov 1995 17:10:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Please Help!!! hey mark, what's up? john and i sang the backups live, but glenn did all the vocals in the studio. except for ''twist of cain'' and ''posession''...that was james hetfield. hope that clears it up. later, EV ------------------------------ From: Stewart Gallacher <9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk> Subject: COLLECTION II on radio!!! Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 13:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Well, I finally got my copy of Collection II, about a week after most of you guys!!! Unlike many fans who have criticised this release, I am very happy with it. The old songs from the singles all sound great, and the "new" versions of Cough/Cool, Hatebreeders, Braineaters, Devils Whorehouse, and Nike... sound very fresh and aggressive. I'm not going to enter the argument as to whether are not these new versions ARE the Misfits, but whatever the case, I am very happy that they have been released. Mephisto Waltz is also a great song, and one destined to become regarded as a classic in my opinion. I also thought that the Earth AD remastered (?) material sounded a lot better than the original release- I do not think that anything new was added to these songs but to my ears the mix is much stronger than the original; personally I would like to see the whole of the Earth AD album released (perhaps in the box-set) in this form. One thing which did disappoint me a little was the omission of the lyrics for Myphisto Waltz and the fact that there is no band photo. However, I was pleased to find that the record is on red vinyl! Does anyone know if it was pressed in any other colours? Anyway, enough of my opinions. A small point of interest is that on the BBC Radio 1 rock show broadcast last night over here in the UK, the DJ (Tom Kavanagh) played Horror Hotel from the Collection and announced its release. This is the first time that I have heard the Misfits on UK radio. If anyone is interesting in trading live/demo tapes of Misfits/Samhain/Danzig or is having trouble finding rare stuff please get in touch with me. I always prefer to trade, but can send tapes out to people for US $5 cash per 90 minute tape if they are having trouble getting a collection started. since I live in the UK there is no profit in this. -Stewart Gallacher 9243471g@udcf.gla.ac.uk ------------------------------ From: Andreas Viehoff/SYBASE Date: 20 Nov 95 9:23:49 EDT Subject: PS: Collection II Ive got mine! Red vinyl, lyrics, great cover, 20 songs, no chance (time) to listen to the whole thing, but it sounds great. OK, its kinda DANZIG-ed, or even GLENN-ish, but I like what he does, so I like Collection II. til then, A. ------------------------------ From: WW982@WCUVAX1.WCU.EDU Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 11:36:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Commenting from file X-Personal_name: erl From: ww982@wcu.edu Subject: collection 2 well, i put down my hard earned cash for collection 2. was it worth it? well, for someone like me who won't buy bootlegs and other crap that rips off every artist involved, it was kind of nice to have a decent copy of the rare songs (138, horror hotel from evil/live and attitude [yeah!], last caress, etc...). but whats up with the earth a.d. songs? they sound the same... and the walk among us songs (besides braineaters) are worse. will i still be satisfied with collection 2 when the big bad boxed set comes out? i guess it depends on how much it costs. all i know is, i've seen danzig in concert twice, bought all his freakin cd's, and sometimes (even though i love his music) i feel dicked over at every 40 min. video selling for $20, and his 30 min black aria CD (good stuff... but a half hour?) for full price... the legit Earth AD CD for $20... i don't know. maybe someone needs to stop walking backwards towards lucifuge... turn around and give up some of the money to the fans? damn, i don't know. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 12:10:13 -0500 (EST) From: supreme@inforamp.net (Lamchops) Subject: WHy Static Age? One question, if everyone has the songs that are on Static Age, why was everyone disappointed when it was canned? What makes the album so different? Still have not heard Last Caress or Attitude? Lambchops in Toronto, P.S. I love the Misfits, like Danzig, hate Samhain!! peace ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ Dear and dear is their poisoned note, the little snakes of silver throat, in mossy skulls that nest & lie, forever singing Die! Oh Die! The Phantom Wooer ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 16:15:22 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: Collection II I had to pay $22.98 (Canadian) to buy it as an import on the 17th. The store apparently could have got it the 7th, but forgot or some other bullcrap. Here's my review (Caroline I hope you're reading this): Cover: cool pic of CG from TV series; colours suck. needs logo BADLY. *BTW, the stickers on the wrapping were black with white letter; I thought they were to be orange...were there variants? Booklet: "Rat Fink" lyrics instead of "Mephisto Waltz" lyrics. Do I really need to elaborate? Also, the way the song titles were printed up looks too neat and flashy for a Misfits album. A band pic (ala distorted "Beware" cover in "Misfits" booklet) would have been nice. Picture on cd: very good. Better than picture-discs of EAD and LOB cds, definitely. The songs themselves: tracks 1,2: If Franche's master tape sounds better qualtiy than these do, I'd sure like to hear it. I never much cared about these appearing on the cd, since I have the Horror Business cd bootleg, and I was somewhat content with the quality on those...I take that back now; the quality on this official release is FAR better. track 3: I like this mix; some of the added effects are cool. But if one track is out of place on this cd, it's this one. I previously thought other opinions about this being (partly) recorded in '95 were a little far-fetched...now I'm not so sure. I had thought Glenn would be too busy with reforming Danzig, recording Danzig V, and managing Verotik to bother recording old Misfits songs. Who knows? Maybe he had meant to do this since '86, and finally got around to it this year in order to get this cd out before the planned TFM and SA releases. track 4: same comments as #1,2 track 5: Any man who can write such an awesome song based on a line like "return of the fly with Vincent Price" need not justify himself to any other man. Glenn can go detonate a nuclear bomb in a nursury school for all I care; this song alone makes up for any evil he might do. track 6: good. A little too much trebble (I prob. spelled that wrong, but I don't play any musical instruments). I agree with (??who) last issue who said TFM and this should be released together, so one flows into the other as they originally did on the HB 7" single. I actually think all of the singles should be released together on one cd, complete with reprints of all original covers, back covers, lyrics, inserts, etc. (hint for Caroline...box set...) track 7: okay. But no way should this be on a cd instead of the 7" version of NOTLD. I also can't see why either Glenn or Bobby would WANT to take credit for writing this song. track 8-10: I had previously only heard the crummy recording of "Horror Hotel" from the "Necronomicon" bootleg, (as well as the "Evilive" version). As far as the Halloweens go, same comments as tracks 1,2. tracks 11-14: I don't like these alternate mixes much... I guess they're okay. The WAU versions are about 10000000000000000000000000 times better. I previously said that "Glenn was the Misfits", since he wrote everything, (and I still believe this, in principle), but I see what Jerry means when he says these were not done by the Misfits. Just on the way Glenn sings these, I agree they might be Samhain, or at least were done during Glenn's Samhain days. (He uses that growly-sort of singing style more than in the Misfits). track 15: I love this song. I can't see why the other Misfits never liked this at the time. I think the tempo, beat, etc all sound like a typical Misfits song. As for who recorded it, I think it was done at or around the same time as #11-14. In one of the articles on the WWW page, Glenn talks about how Samhain was originally sort of a side-project. Whether or not you call them Samhain at that point is irrelevant, but my guess is that this was when tracks 11-15 were recorded. Actually, other than that same growly-style of singing, I would never guess that this song was recorded without Jerry. Also, both this cd and the '86 have the songs appearing pretty much in the order they were done, so 11-15 would rightly fall between the release of WAU and the breakup of the Misfits. As for why Glenn included these in a Misfits cd, there appear to be several possibilities: a): Jerry is fucked and totally forgot recording these,so they ARE, in fact, "The Misfits." (it *has* been 10-15 years) b): same as a) but substitute Glenn's name, and he forgot that these are NOT the Misfits. (same time elapsed as in scenario "a") c) Glenn hates Jerry and doesn't care who else played on these, and decided to include them because i: they were all originally written for the Misfits (including "Mephisto Waltz") or ii: he is getting revenge on them for reforming without him (even though he doesn't want to join them) I'll take "c" as most likely possibility. tracks 16-20: Alternate mixes?? I see very little difference, if any. I feel ripped off by these ones, but I guess it is logical, since every other song off DDMD and EAD/WB was on the 1st compilation. Sorry I took so long again. I think others should post ideas about when tracks 11-15 were done, as well as possible lyrics for "Mephisto Waltz." later. -Brett "yeah you guinea pig..." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:25:25 -0500 (EST) From: Justin A Chamberlain Subject: Review..What stinks? Less Than Zero JChamb@grove.ufl.edu My Take On COLLECTION II Glenn "I think I'm Trent Reznor with all the remixing I did but I'm not I'm a Balding pumped-up dwarf with a big belt buckle" Danzig: vocals, guitar, bass, remixing, royalty collecting, redubbing and skin flute playing Actually I tried to be biased on this. The most blatant and irritating problem with this release is the PACKAGING... It sucks BAD! nothing here but cheesy lyric sheets (I could have done better than this) and three photos of the crimson ghost, and Thats it? NO band lineup. No logo on front. No pictures of the group, NO NOTHING! also we get the attractive coloring of shit brown and puke green. AS for the songs: We Are 138- Had less emotion than bullet and live versions Cough/Cool- I love this.. I've always wanted Danzig(group) to redo this song, I got my wish, Yes I know this isn't the Misfits but its nifty! Last Caress-sounded like it had more guitar giving it less of a rockabilly sound (actually the guitar is so loud its annoyiing). Children in Heat-I agree with whoever said that TFM should always preceed this song, but this version is good. Hatebreeders(psyco85-finger-chop-mix)-sucks. Nuff said. Braineaters and Nike A Go Go- I like other versions better. Mephisto Waltz-unreleased Misfits song ha ha ha ha ha. A Samhain-wanna-be-Misfits song. Hey Damien turn up the guitar. Rest of the album is ok. The whole album feels very clinical and sterile.. No Energy. This should not be considered a greatest hits vol. 2 but rather a alternate CD of Misfits tunes like how NIN does. It feels like Danzig Just threw this together to make money, not to give the fans of the misfits a fair or complete representation of the past. let us hope the Static Age/Box set will do this. Less Than Zero ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 20:33:06 -0500 (EST) From: Edward Kruzewski Subject: Rat Fink The Misfits seem to draw an awful lot of inspiration from B-movies. I remember seeing a movie called "Rat Fink a Boo Boo". I guess it's a sixties b-movie cult classic about a superhero named Rat Fink and his sidekick Boo Boo. The song Rat Fink totally fits in with the movie, and it sure seems like it could be the theme song... Does anyone know if there is any connection? (I would venture a guess and say yes) eddyk ps (sorry if I seemed pretentious to all who have any info on this, I didn't check the page that well, so just don't be mean to me. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Nov 1995 21:16:04 -0500 From: anp@po.cwru.edu (Aaron Pacitti) Subject: Take a wild guess After searching thousands of stores that never even heard of the Misfits I finally got my hands on CollII Friday. Tell me that doesn't suck. Anyway, I thought I'd add my two cents. First of all, I never knew the Misfits went techno with Cough/Cool, but it is still a rockin version. For some odd reason I am in love with this version of Hatebreeders. Something about Danzig's voice and the drums make this the best song on the disk. Braineaters sounds 4 million times better than the WAU version. And Mephisto Waltz, Misfits or not, rocks out. It does sound strikingly similar to Samhain, but the guitar solo sounds like the fits 100%. Does anyone else think that song sounds like Queen Wasp? Don't wanna bore anyone, so thats all I gotta say about. It definitely was worth the $$$$. And please no more Rage commentary. Yours Truly, The Fatherly Wolf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 21:42:59 -0500 From: Liam Colleran Subject: THX1138 Anyone who is a fan of the Fox X-Men cartoon may have noticed something pretty fucking cool this past Saturday. The plates on the Bronco that Psylocke was driving said THX1138. Quick question. IS the band going to do any more shows before Christmas. I live in Providence and will be more than willing to hike down as far a Jersey to go seem them. It'd be a fucking treat if they were actually making plans to come up this way. P.S. Jerry, if you see this and need someone to book a show in Rhode Island, e-mail me: colleran@providence.edu <> ------------------------------------- To contribute to the next issue, please send email to: misfits@virginia.edu For more information, or for back issues, contact Mark Kennedy at: msk4m@watt.seas.virginia.edu The Misfits World Wide Web page is located at: http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~msk4m/ The Misfits mailing address is: The Fiend Club | P.O. Box 310 | Vernon, NJ 07462 The views expressed here are those of the individual authors only. 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I placed my order last week and should be here by next Friday. They said approx. 2 weeks. If you canna find it anywhere, it is a last resort. Later, Zodiac =============================== "To Serve Man"...IT'S A COOKBOOK! =============================== This message brought to you by Zodiac. E-Mail: abbadon@idirect.com =============================== Some say punk rock died when the Sex Pistols broke up. Others say it died when The Clash wrote "Rock The Casbah". =============================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 11:34:17 -0500 From: pmack@shore.net (Dave Asselin) Subject: Glenn/Verotika/resposibility >Why should Glenn have to pay for someone else's mistakes? >Just because they carry his comics? Look - The comic store wouldn't be in the hole if they weren't selling his comic. Simple as that. Glenn doesn't have a legal responsibility to help them, but he does have a moral one. I repeat: if retailers see other comic shops hung out to dry for selling a potentially offensive subject, *no one* will carry that product. It simply isn't worth it for a retailer to stock 100 copies of "Glenn's Sex Orgy" #5 and risk legal troubles when they can easily stock 100 more copies of "X-Men Handjob" #108 and make the same money. The end result is comics that push the envelope will be censored by ecomonics... and isn't censoring what Glenn's against? - Dave pmack@shore.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 12:32:12 -0500 (EST) From: Lamchops Subject: Collection II FInally available here in Canada, and It cost $29.54 on CD tax included. I finally got to hear these songs....and they're great!!!No, I mean fantastic!! I was more impressed with Metallica's version of Last Caress but GnR's version of Attitude was not near as good as the Misfits original!! All I can say is that "WE BITE" Lambchops ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ Dear and dear is their poisoned note, the little snakes of silver throat, in mossy skulls that nest & lie, forever singing Die! Oh Die! The Phantom Wooer ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++ ------------------------------ From: J.Baldry@mail.nerc-swindon.ac.uk Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 08:35:01 GMT Subject: availablility + other stuff First off I just want to say that no matter what anyone says about the content of Collection II (which I happen to think is pretty damn good for the most part) it just makes a nice change to be able to walk into a record store in the UK and actually have the option of buying a Misfits release! Even in Tower Records (London) where I bought Coll II they only had that and 'Misifts' on CD. In response to Dave Asselin's post last issue regarding RATM, 'whiteboys'?! Have you ever actually seen a picture of the band? If they're all white then Glenn's parents are both over 6 feet tall! Also, (jeez, why am I defending this crappy band... maybe I just like people to know the facts) the nucleus of RATM did NOT play in a Ratt or 'hairspray' type band, their first major deal came as a band called 'Lock Up' who put out and album on Geffen in the mid/late 80's. The style was very Chilli Pepper influenced but was definately similar to what they do now (i.e. not very good). For whoever wanted to know about Oi! music, that stuff really belongs to the skinheads... it was their way of getting in on the punk scene with bands like Sham 69 and Skrewdriver. As you might imagine there is also a lot of Nazi types who like Oi! and the whole culture is a lot less 'fun' (if that's the right word) than straight forward punk. I'd never class the Misfits as Oi!... if anything they are more psychobilly a la the Meteors and suchlike. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:24:47 -0500 (EST) From: "B.M. Fama" Subject: #122 Here we go again.... Nate: I think the CG pic on C2 is taken directly from the old series. It's the same pose as on the HB 7", only the reproduction on that isn't clear enough to see the eyeballs etc. as well. BTW, the pic on the back of "Misfits" is a mirrored image of a scene form the tv series. Instead of holding a book, CG is sort of menacing a guy and girl (If I remember correctly). The original pic is on the back cover of the CG double-VHS pack. Eric Snook: I have a 7" bootleg of "Beware" that is too fast...I'll try that trick of your next time I find a 50-cent piece. Dave Asselin: I know what you are implying about the "reunion" of the Misfits, but from what I understand, Jerry and Doyle had wanted to continue since 1983, but were legally prevented by Glenn. Everyone: don't forget, until March 94, Glenn was the only one entitled to make ANY Misfits stuff. I agree with your legal point about "Mephisto Waltz"...Everyone again: if you check with ASCAP or whatever, ALL songs are copyrighted under Static Age, Hellbent, or Evilive Music, therefore "Mephisto Waltz" IS and always was a Misfits song, even though "they" never recorded it. Glenn still owns ALL rights to the songs; Caroline owns *only the tapes of the recordings*. Jerry and Doyle and co. can call themselves the Misfits, but they in no way "own" any of the songs. Glenn can re-do every Misfits song and release them on future Danzig albums if he wanted; he would not have to pay anyone, unless he used a recording of their bass etc on it. He just can't call it "The Misfits" anymore. As for why he could release C2, don't forget that it was originally advertised for sale in 1986. So all of you whining about how Glenn has no right to overdub or alter HIS songs, you'd better got throw out you LOB cds as well. Isn't it funny how no one (I don't think) on the list has been listening to the Misfits since the original days, yet they all presume to tell Glenn what he can't do, despite the fact that he wrote and owns all lyrics, music, and perviously all album artwork etc etc etc etc for the past 12 years? Again, Caroline NOW owns the RECORDINGS, Jerry NOW owns the NAME, Glenn ALWAYS HAS owned the (words and music of the) SONGS. Osito666: Not only was Glenn in the "Misfits mindset" when he wrote "Mephisto Waltz", HE WAS IN THE MISFITS. They played the song once or twice according to Jerry, as it says on the WWW page. Bile666: Agreed re: Verotik. I wonder, how many of those who denounced Glenn for not contributing actually bothered to go read the CBG article as you suggested (was it you who originally posted about it? sorry I forgot to check). BTW, I have collected comics for 17 of my 19 years, and I must say that calling someone else "cheap" in comparison to comic-store owners is laughable. Some of these guys are among the greediest crooked-legged bastards around, and I may well be a comic-store owner myself. As to the person who suggested every store should stop carrying Verotik material, how many did in the first place? Maybe 5% Pink and CG: JM a genius? yeah, whatever. I originally wasn't gonna respond to this, as I 'm so sick of the comparisons to JM, but after CG's post I must. BTW CG, when you say "Glenn's imagery is more commonly accepted than Jm's" (sorry if I didn't quote you verbatim), what dimension is this in? Last I heard The Doors sold about a zillion more records than Danzig ever has. A for being "a scholar of the works of Neitzche", reading soeone's work does not make you a scholar, and besides, Glenn reads him too. If you want to take it a step further, Glenn also embodies Neitzche's ideal of physical perfection more the JM could ever dream. I like some Doors stuff, but I say again (and I hope for the last time) that Glenn is a better singer, songwriter, and performer than JM was in every way. As for diversity, Glenn has written music labelled as punk, industrial ,metal, country, and classical. And concerning who wrote "dark" music first: JM obviously because he was born first, but GD never claimed to invent it. And he does a far better job of exploring this...what so many people write off as "satanic" etc actually draws on the work of Charles Baudelaire and John Milton. No, they didn't record any music, but JM's poetry is shit compared to these geniuses, and much of his writing is crap no matter to whose you compare it. Also, don't buy this juvenile bullshit about "revolutionary figures" as JM and Kurt Cobain are portrayed as...future history texts may make reference to Elvis, Marilyn, and the Beatles, but JM, KC, Hendrix, and yes, even Glenn will never be remembered as "geniuses" or important people, at leats not by anyone with an education and a little maturity. No CG, I don't think Glenn is god, I just think he is a very talented guy who is so often misquoted, misinterpreted, and generally misunderstood that it's sickening. Of course he's not perfect, and he can obviously be a jerk sometimes, but 98% of his critics don't know what they're talking about. You obviously hate him CG, but I at least give you credit for having a unique perspective, because you know the Caiafas so well. I think this biases you alot, but I know my fandom of Danzig, Samhain, and the Misfits also biases me. Fair enough? Finally... Justin A Chamberlain: Here I'm really gonna be rude... I'm short, just a bit shorter than Glenn, and I don't really have any hangups about it. It just sucks when I go see Danzig, because I can't see over tall peoples' heads. But next time you (or anyone else) wants to go call Glenn "a balding dwarf", don't forget 2 things: 1. He is 40 years old. 2. He could beat the shit out of you, having been trained in Fillipino knife and stick-fighting, Muay Thai kickboxing, and Jeet kune do. Please, all you who love badmouthing a guy you don't even know, please say something to his face. Please do it at the next Danzig show in either Toronto, Montreal, Buffallo, or Detroit, as I intend to be at all of these, and please make sure I am present when you open your mouth to Glenn. I want to see him annihilate you in about zero seconds flat. later. -Brett "...pounding out deserved pain to anyone in need..." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 02:24:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Steev L." Subject: hey Well, this is my first post here, assuming it works....anyway.... Hi, my name is Steev(yeah i purposely misspell it) and I live in Boca Raton, Florida. I could bore all of you by telling you about how/when I got into Misfits/Samhain/Danzig, but what's the point? I've been watching this place for almost a month now, and I figured I would attempt to contribue... I don't have much Misfits stuff, just LoB, WAU, and both of the collections. I managed to find a copy of Collection II on the 9th at Best Buy(of all places). No one else has it down here. Best Buy has no more copies of it. But I don't care cuz I got my copy, so I'll tell you what I think of it. I liked almost all the stuff I heard, but then again I had never heard more than half the songs on the damn thing before I bought it. I love "We Are 138", "Attitude", and "Last Caress". I've been waiting to hear the original of 'Caress ever since I heard Metallica's version(about 2 years ago...I didn't get into any music until I was 16), so that song alone was enough to get me to buy it. I have to admit that "Cough/Cool" ain't too great....I'd rather listen to that 20 second sample I got off the web page. This may sound crazy, but I've been comparing the new "Cough/Cool" to the short little sample I have of the old one, and I think that the original vocal track is still lingering around there somewhere, or at least in certain parts of the new version...anyone out there agree? Sorry for the long post, and I didn't even get to say everything I wanted to say....oh well. -Steev ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:34:36 -0500 (EST) From: Andy Dempz Subject: Oi! capital O and explanation mark, Oi! music is street rock n roll, street punk, whatever. It is punk without the crap, a reflection of working class kids' lives. Musically, it is like punk but a little cleaner (ie, nobody who absolutely can't play and just makes a bunch of noise) but catchier and often with football match style choruses. An "Oi! Oi! Oi!" chorus alone does not make it Oi!, just listen to the new WarZone disc and see what i mean. Oi! is not racist or nazi music, those fucking bastards stole the traditional skinhead name and appearance and are not skins by any stretch of the imagination. Hope that helps... As for RATM, I don't really give a rat's ass, I was just saying a band that tries to be "political" should have some integrity. Dempz X X X X X X X X X X X X X emc X X X X X X X X X X X X X you lousy mother fucker ------------------------------ From: "Lowe, Thomas B." Subject: Late Collection II Review Date: Tue, 21 Nov 95 15:47:00 PST Ok, I notice hostility from some of the people on this list about Glenn. You can twist the story around in your head all you want but the bottom line is that Glenn IS every band he has been in. He writes the songs (words & music) and anybody could have performed his material. The Misfits aren't exactly a talented band. I have heard 12 year old kids in their garage play better than they do live. If Glenn wants to mess with the songs, redo them, that's his option, it's his stuff. I am not a fan from the Misfits era but a fan of them because of Danzig. I, personally, like Collection II. I don't have some of the rarer songs that weren't on the regular albums so it is my first exposure to many of them. I can understand why some of you feel it is not a good album and that is probably because you are long time Misfits fans. For me, I don't care what Glenn does with these songs so I appriciate them a bit more. Mephisto Waltz is not a Misfits song, but it is a cool song and I don't care who is playing the music. It may be the best song on there. I would love to know how many of these songs were recorded after the Misfits broke up. Most if not all of the WAU stuff is post-Misfits and Cough/Cool is much different sounding (and cooler) than the original. Anyhow, the Misfits will be a cool show to see but once they have to write their own stuff, it will fall short of the original stuff. That's my view... Unholy Tom PS - Is this really Eerie Von??? Subject: this ratm thing Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) i tend to agree that discussions like this need to be discussed here. i know that i've got a .edu at the end of my account, but that doesn't mean i'm a fool. i think the best comment i've heard about rage is this by mike muir "thats great, you wanna overthrow the status-quo, but what the fuck are you doing about it?" or something like that. major label do tend to care more about the bottom line then the music. but what word in the music industry is the most inportant? industry. ever indusrty needs to draw revenue, and those that draw more are more successful, hence signing bands w/ the "sound" i think the lowest shot crimson ghost made was starting to name bands. anyone can go , "i've hear of such and such" sure the damned were influencial, but just because you don't listen to them doesn't mean your any less informed. i personally happen not to like the offspring too much, but their cover of smash it up is killer, i can never tell whether its the original or not. i also wonder how you can say that people are ignorant because they have certain beliefs, but then try to impose you own upon others. i also think that while your posts are interesting, ending w/ "back when there were 50 people, we'd have crucified him" is sorta hypocritical. what makes you the source for what can be discussed or posted. w/o 2 sided discussion no one can see other sides of an issue, isn't that what you want, or do you want them to see your issues only? this isn't an attack, but i simply how i feel. you can flame me now as i'm sure you will. also on the subject of cover bands. i think a band that does only covers losses some of their freedom, as music is about exploration of different things, not repetition. -- Paul Hahn hahnpaul@acm.msu.edu 'Destruction is not negative, http://www.acm.cps.msu.edu/~hahnpaul you must destroy to build'- check out the Speedball Homepage einsturzende neubauten ------------------------------ From: UJCCURRY@msuvx1.memphis.edu Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 14:45:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: hatebreeding lot of hatebreeding going on lasst issue. On Verotica being distributed to minors- it's been a few weeks since i read the article, and i went back and checked my 1st post about it. I don't believe that the store was charged with distributing obscene material to minors, i think it was charged with distributing obscene material period. Which would mean that if convicted, even adults would not be able to read it. I could be wrong, I will try to find the article again, but I think i am right about the charge. (now play in eighty four) Last issue's cracks about Glenn being a balding,pumped-up dwarf, and the one about blowing up a nuclear bomb in a nursery school made me laugh out loud. I miss EVB's posts too. Has anyone ever counted how many times the words black,death,devil,or demon appear in mis/sam/dan songs? I think it might be funny to compare song to word ratios I also need to note how snazzy and chock full of stuff the web page is, i didnt think it could get better. I would like to see the Halloween 7' cover up there soon (i have never seen it). jamil ------------------------------ From: smcumm@xnet.com Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:01:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: Sweet Jimmy's Inspiring thoughts... >>From: UWFL86C@prodigy.com (JAMES POE) >>Subject: blabla >>you are the greatest band ever to live. I just want to know why did >>you change to Danzig. I think that you should have stayed punk >>because you were really cool! Go back to punk Glen. Intead of this >>heavy metal crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you James for one of the most intellectual and inspiring things I have ever read. Do you think you're actually talking to Glenn here? Are you 12? If only everyone wrote in notes like this I could finally be pushed over the edge of committing suicide. Please leave... hatebreeder ------------------------------ From: She Subject: Re: 1 2 2 Date: Tue, 21 Nov 1995 15:14:28 -0500 (EST) > Eerie and John would do "Tired..." Not to cause any trouble, but Glenn > himself could tell me that it's not him on backups for "It's Coming Down" and > I wouldn't believe him, so I must disagree with you on this point. I know I Yep, Brett, you win. You can't argue with Eerie Von. > From: "Nathan D. Lequieu" > My question: Does anyone know who is modeling as the Crimson Ghost on > the Collection II cover, or is it just art? Just Wondering... That's taken right from the movie, so it's the actor who played the CG. > From: satan@relex.com > 1-800-637-9239 > They have EVILIVE on CD!!! They sold out right now but they said they Not quite. I called and was informed that they never had Evilive, but they're supposed to get it from their distributor. They were quite surprised when I informed them that it doesn't exist, at least not as a CD fully devoted to Evilive. > From: Dave Asselin > A few days ago I talked with a friend who is well versed in copyright laws, > and this is what he told me, in relation to Mephisto Waltz: > ... He copyrights and registers the song with his music publishing company > as a Misfits song. Did he do this? Who knows? > See, until 1994 (when it was established otherwise), Glenn Danzig was the > Misfits, so anything recorded up until that point can legally be called a > Misfits song if he registered it before they broke up. That's why Legacy of > Brutality is the Misfits even when it's noone but Glenn and drummer X. He > could have done the same thing with Archangel, but he chose to publish that > as a Samhain song. Conceivably, Glenn could record *anything* he registered > pre-breakup and call it Misfits (This explains Cough/Cool). It wasn't the case that Glenn was the Misfits. It WAS the case that Jerry and Doyle couldn't be the Misfits. That was the problem. To me, this changes the issue. The song "Mephisto Waltz" was recorded by Samhain at Reel Platinum studio in Lodi, NJ in January of 1984. I was informed of this on Saturday by someone who was present during its recording. Therefore, it shouldn't be on any Misfits release. End of story, right? > My friend said the Feline Nursery/Spinal Remains vocals issue sounds like > Feline Nursery was nev